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Their mail was not delivered for days. Now these Minneapolis residents are worried about their votes counting.

Minneapolis resident Stephanie Wilford, who is considered high risk for contracting covid-19 because of a heart condition, planned to vote by mail in her state primary Tuesday.

But with just days left until Election Day, the 60-year-old had not received her absentee ballot. In fact, her public housing complex of 567 residents had mysteriously stopped receiving any mail for more than a week.


“I’m pissed off. We’re not getting mail for some reason,” said Wilford, who now plans to go to the polls in person Tuesday. “I’ve had one heart attack already and I’m not trying to have another.”

Confusion and frustration rippled through the Charles Horn Towers housing complex, three gray concrete high rises in a neighborhood still scarred by the protests that followed the death of George Floyd, as a sudden mail stoppage prevented residents from getting absentee ballots in advance of Tuesday’s primary.

The reason was unclear: Some blamed a rumor of an outbreak in the high rises that scared off postal carriers, even though the Minneapolis Public Housing Authority said just three residents have tested positive for the novel coronavirus. The U.S. Postal Service said in a statement to The Washington Post that it halted service there until it could be sure that proper social distancing measures were in place.

 
a partisian view of things


Going executive order route for fiscal stimulus poses risks, questions for White House

Scale of aid, legal uncertainty make going it alone possible minefield for White House


An attempt to use executive orders to provide the economic aid the White House and Democrats have been haggling over for weeks to combat the impact of the coronvirus pandemic on the economy raises a thicket of political and legal questions for President Donald Trump.

If Congress cannot agree on another sweeping aid bill, can Trump provide enough stimulus to the economy to ease the hit from the coronavirus and resulting lockdowns and boost his reelection odds? And can he do that without running afoul of long-standing laws governing how federal money is spent and Congress’ “power of the purse”?

Sen. Chuck Schumer, the New Yorker who leads Senate Democrats, urged Trump to avoid the executive powers route Thursday night after the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin but reached no agreement.

An executive order will leave millions of people out. It will be litigated. It won’t be effective and things will get worse. So we urge them to rethink their position,” Schumer told reporters.

Earlier in the day, Trump had said he told his staff to look at ways to revive the lapsed $600 a week federal unemployment supplemental payment, extend an eviction moratorium that for practical purposes ends in late August, extend student loan relief and create a payroll tax cut.

It's all about re-election......to little to late!....and again this is to little!

Meadows said going the executive order route was a last resort, but Democratic intransigence could ******* Trump’s hand.

We’ve been here now going on 2 weeks and we still don’t have a deal and his willingness to take action through his executive powers should be applauded, because he’s coming to the realization that perhaps some of our Democrats both in the House and senate are not serious about compromise and are not serious about trying to meet the needs of the American people,” he said Thursday night.

The Trump administration’s history with laws about how to spend money has been spotty. It has been in a legal tussle with Congress over redirecting money for other purposes to instead be used for wall construction on the Southwestern border. And the move to delay congressionally approved aid to Ukraine, in addition to jump starting the impeachment process, violated the 1974 law meant to prohibit presidents from picking and choosing what funds get spent, according to the Government Accountability Office.

Bill Hoagland, senior vice president with the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington and formerly a long-time budget staffer for Republicans on Capitol Hill, said Trump was probably on firmer legal ground with extending the eviction moratorium and changing payroll tax collections.

“I think the answer is clear that some things he can do via Executive Order legally, others he probably can do but could be challenged in court (question here is who is going to challenge) and others he might do but will have minimal economic impact,” Hoagland said in an email.


But Hoagland said the basis for reviving the unemployment add-on was murkier. If Trump used yet-be-spent money from the March coronavirus CARES law, it is unclear it would be enough to get through the election, even at a level less than $600 a week.

“More importantly, this reminds me of the reprogramming of military construction funding for building a wall. I think it would be challenged, particularly by mayors and governors who may not have spent CARES money to date but had plans on the books to spend. Interesting politics on this as to who would actually bring suit,” Hoagland said.

Wall Street economists said their baseline assumption remained that Congress would ultimately pass a new stimulus measure as failure to pass a plan would hit the economy hard.

“It would be a huge loss in disposable income, extremely quickly,” said Jeremy Schwartz, vice president on the global Strategy and economics team at Credit Suisse.

“You’re talking about tens of billions of dollars a month which is relatively unprecedented.”

Still, the fight may not be over, only paused. If lawmakers don’t return to Washington this month, they still have to come back in September to approve a stopgap spending bill to keep the government open after the end of the fiscal year Sept. 30.

That could provide another opportunity to reexamine where the economy is and how much of a boost it needs, but with the added challenge of avoiding yet another government shutdown.

Hoagland, though, said he thinks a unilateral move by the White House would ensure no more talks until after the election, and worse outcome for the budget deficit than Republicans who opposed a deal because it would spend too much.

“In fact I would argue this unilateral move on the President’s part will likely also guarantee that those Senate Republicans up in purple states, will not be coming back and, if anything, with a Democratic Congress and likely Democratic president, the fiscal situation long-term will be much worse,” he said

 
It's all about re-election...….what happened to the promises of last election....still waiting...






Trump's executive stimulus orders: When they start, are they legal, what you should know


Following the failure of Democrats and Republicans to agree on another COVID-19 stimulus package by Friday's self-imposed deadline, President Donald Trump signed an executive order and issued three memoranda Saturday during a high politicized press conference. Trump went on to say he would provide economic relief during the current recession caused by the coronavirus. The executive actions, however, could face legal challenges and have already been sharply criticized by Democratic negotiators.

"Today's meager announcements by the President show President Trump still does not comprehend the seriousness or the urgency of the health and economic crises facing working families," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, the top Democrats, said in a joint statement. "We're disappointed that instead of putting in the work to solve Americans' problems, the President instead chose to stay on his luxury golf course to announce unworkable, weak and narrow policy announcements to slash the unemployment benefits that millions desperately need and endanger seniors' Social Security and Medicare."

The memoranda cover deferring payroll tax, extending enhanced unemployment benefits (while lowering them from $600 to $400) and assisting with student loans. The federal government would pay 75% of the enhanced unemployment benefit, with state governments taking care of the other 25%, Trump said. He also signed an executive order extending a moratorium on evictions.

The Republican-proposed HEALS Act left negotiators unable to find common ground on many of the same issues Trump targeted in his executive action, including the enhanced unemployment benefits, the eviction moratorium extension and the amount of relief aid offered to state and local governments.

Here's everything we know about Trump's orders.

What Trump's orders include
The four executive actions include:

  • A $400 weekly unemployment benefit to replace the $600 weekly benefit Americans received under the now expired CARES Act.
  • Extending the moratorium on evictions. The courts are currently able to process evictions, and tenants may be asked to vacate by Aug. 24.
Assisting with student loan deferral of monthly payments and interest through the end of the year.
  • Deferring payroll tax payments, starting Aug. 1, retroactively, through December for people earning less than $100,000.
As yet, it's unclear when the $400 paycheck will go into effect, if it will apply retroactively to July 24, the date the $600 benefit expired under the CARES Act, or if it will face legal challenges that might delay or derail it.

Will Trump's executive action automatically become law?
It might seem like executive orders from the president are the final word -- since the actions aren't subject to congressional approval -- but it's more complicated than that. The Constitution gives Congress control over federal spending, so Trump doesn't have the legal authority to issue binding executive orders about how money should be spent during the coronavirus pandemic

Memoranda differ from executive orders in a few ways, including that they don't require the Office of Management and Budget to issue a Budgetary Impact Statement.

An executive order can act like a federal law in some circumstances, but Congress can pass a new law to override the executive order. However, that new law would be subject to a presidential veto. This happened in 2019 when Trump declared a national emergency at the Mexico border to fund the wall.

Since Trump is unilaterally seeking to use leftover or unspent FEMA funds to pay unemployment benefits, it's possible his order could encounter legal challenges -- and that could further slow the passage of a stimulus package.

When asked if he was concerned about the legality of an executive action during a press conference Friday, the president said, "No, not at all ... well, you always get sued. Everything you do, you get sued."

Trump's payroll tax payment deferral could also be called into question. During Saturday's press conference, Trump said that if he's reelected in November, he'll find a way to terminate the payroll tax.

An extra complication here is the role payroll taxes play in funding other aspects of the economy -- including Social Security and Medicare -- as many have pointed out.

How would an executive order differ from legislation?
So far, the executive actions signed by Trump will only cover the four topics out above, rather than the large scope of either the Democrats' or Republicans' stimulus proposals. Democrats have said that an executive order won't go far enough.

"[An executive order] will leave most people out, will not cover the broad expanse of what's needed, will be litigated in court and awkward and difficult to implement," Schumer told reporters Thursday. "It's not a good choice at all. And [Republicans] admitted that in the room. They said, 'That's not a good choice.'"

On Saturday, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said, "I support President Trump exploring his options to get unemployment benefits and other relief to the people who need them the most."

Democrats worry that an executive order will be only a temporary fix. For example, suspending payroll tax, according to analysts, would only mean a larger payment for workers in a few months. Schumer said Democrats' concerns extended to evictions and college loan deferrals.

In their joint statement issued on Saturday, Schumer and Pelosi also criticized the narrow focus of Trump's action. "Not only does the President's announcement not actually extend the eviction moratorium, it provides no assistance to help pay the rent, which will only leave desperate families to watch their debt pile higher."

They repeated their call for Democrats and Republicans to continue negotiations and agree on a more comprehensive solution.

For more information, we've looked at how soon you might get your second stimulus check and compared the HEALS, CARES and Heroes stimulus proposals.

 
he knows he is in deep ******* and counting on others to bail his ass out...Russia and their brothers the republicans


Lacking rallies, Trump takes White House work on the road


President Trump has long blurred the lines between campaigning and governing, but he is taking that fusion to new levels as the coronavirus pandemic precludes his signature large-scale rallies.

Trump has used official White House travel to visit swing states in recent weeks and give de facto campaign speeches in front of friendly audiences. He spoke from behind the presidential seal at airports in Florida and Ohio to supporters who gathered on the tarmac to greet him, and an event at a Whirlpool factory on Thursday ostensibly meant to highlight the nation's economic recovery during the pandemic veered sharply into reelection territory.

 
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the fucking dumb in this country just seem to attract the dumber still!....but then prior to this press conference he was overheard pumping up his base to expect this

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this guy IS one of a kind...…...I wouldn't even want him buried in the same state

Trump To S. Dakota Governor: Put Me On Mount Rushmore
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Maybe someday, posthumously....for now it's time to start on adding our greatest president...
Interesting you consider Reagan one of the greatest ... at what I might ask? He is the one who convinced Republicans to redefine themselves with the belief that Reaganomics was the future platform of the party. All it managed to do is trigger unbudgeted spending, starving the country of its needed revenues, creating deficit spending and fast rising Nat'l Debt, giving tax cuts that would supposedly "pay for themselves" that NEVER DID, and the worst part of all the big lie that tax cuts for the wealthy & hugh corporations would trickle down new jobs & create new wealth for the middleclass and less fortunate workers. When all it managed to do is broaden the income gap each and every year to where the 1-2% were earning 300-400% more than the common line workers and create an even larger poorer class of workers. Reagan convinced the poor & middleclass that tax cuts for the wealthy would actually create bigger & better jobs and income for them. It didn't, never has, never will .... but it sounded good to those who were desperate to stay in middleclass incomes. Like buying a new diet pill to lose weight ... it didn't work, never has worked, never will work, but people spend their money on diet pills in "hope". Those, to me, aren't the kind of accomplishments I'd be proud of, H-H. Reagan had over 130 indictments & resignations in his administration, and although he had plenty of charisma, he was making the wealthy richer, and shifting taxes to the poor/middleclass, for his own selfish purpose. Sorry, but I'm not buying your fallacy:
 
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Maybe someday, posthumously....for now it's time to start on adding our greatest president...

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greatest president my ass!


How Reagan Destroyed America & The Middle Class


Reagan is directly responsible for destroying the Middle Class of America, and I am not the only one who thinks so. A number of political analysts have written on this very subject.

James Joiner on allvoices.com calls him "the destroyer of main street" and "the ******* of this nightmare we are living.

He goes on to state of the Republicans: "They call themselves the party of Ronald Reagan! That scares the hell out of me because Reagan was the ******* of the war mongering high Deficit compassionate Conservatives that gave Birth to much war present and future unless Obama can turn around the disaster they created around the world with their war mongering!" (http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...in-street-and-a-ronald-reagan-jr-i-agree-with).

Pablo Mayhew, a columnist on rawstory.com goes so far as to refer to Reagan as a criminal no better than his Republican predecessor, Richard Nixon. He relates Reagan's role in the Iran-Contra affair in which Reagan pled "forgetfulness" when pressed about it.

Mayhew concludes with these words: " as one great writer has contended, that Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream, then Reagan broke its back Now.... the American Dream is clearly down for the count." (http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/mayhew/reagan_destroyed_american_dream.htm)

And listen to what Thom Hartmann, prominent television and radio talk show host and commentator, had to say about the devastation today on our economy that was the direct result, he reports, of Reaganomics when he appeared as a guest on
Dateline just prior to Obama taking office.

"when Reagan came into office we were the largest exporter of manufacturing goods and the largest importer of raw materials on the planet. And, the largest creditor--more people owed us money than anybody else in the world. Now, just 28 years later, we're the largest importer of finished goods, manufactured goods; the largest exporter of raw materials--which is kind of the definition of a third-world nation -- and we're the most in-debt of any country in the world. This is the absolute consequence of Reaganomics."
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/thom-hartmann-defends-the_b_150964.html)


These graphs bear out exactly what all these people have been saying about Reagan being directly responsible for destroying America and the Middle Class. In looking at these pay particulular attention to 1981, the year Reagan took office.

Obviously, George H. Bush, Clinton, and Gorge W could have reversed this trend; instead, they, for the most part became keepers and harbingers of it.

Working people's share of the benefits from increased productivity took a sudden turn down:

This resulted in intense concentration of wealth at the top:

And ****** working people to spend down savings to get by:

Which ****** working people to go into debt: (total household debt aspercentage of GDP)


"Conservative policies transformed the United States from the largest
creditor nation to the largest debtor nation in just a few years, and it has only gotten worse since then: " So avows the author who researched the subject and collected the graphs. (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts)


You can find all kinds of books and articles praising Reagan, but what I have presented are the cold, hard facts about what the man did to our economy with his Reaganomics. For those who would like to read more on this subject, go to:


Reagan Revolution Home To Roost: America Drowning In Debt
Reagan Revolution Home To Roost: America IsCrumbling
Finance, Mine, Oil & Debt Disasters: THIS Is Deregulation



Reaganomics killed America’s middle class


This country’s fate was sealed when our government slashed taxes on the rich back in 1980


There's nothing "normal" about having a middle class. Having a middle class is a choice that a society has to make, and it's a choice we need to make again in this generation, if we want to stop the destruction of the remnants of the last generation's middle class.


Despite what you might read in the Wall Street Journal or see on Fox News, capitalism is not an economic system that produces a middle class. In fact, if left to its own devices, capitalism tends towards vast levels of inequality and monopoly. The natural and most stable state of capitalism actually looks a lot like the Victorian England depicted in Charles Dickens' novels.


At the top there is a very small class of superrich. Below them, there is a slightly larger, but still very small, "middle" class of professionals and mercantilists - doctor, lawyers, shop-owners - who help keep things running for the superrich and supply the working poor with their needs. And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.


So, for average working people, there is no such thing as a middle class in "normal" capitalism. Wealth accumulates at the very top among the elites, not among everyday working people. Inequality is the default option.


You can see this trend today in America. When we had heavily regulated and taxed capitalism in the post-war era, the largest employer in America was General Motors, and they paid working people what would be, in today's dollars, about $50 an hour with benefits. Reagan began deregulating and cutting taxes on capitalism in 1981, and today, with more classical "raw capitalism," what we call "Reaganomics," or "supply side economics," our nation's largest employer is WalMart and they pay around $10 an hour.


This is how quickly capitalism reorients itself when the brakes of regulation and taxes are removed - this huge change was done in less than 35 years.


The only ways a working-class "middle class" can come about in a capitalist society are by massive social upheaval - a middle class emerged after the Black Plague in Europe in the 14th century - or by heavily taxing the rich.


French economist Thomas Piketty has talked about this at great length in his groundbreaking new book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century. He argues that the middle class that came about in Western Europe and the United States during the mid-twentieth was the direct result of a peculiar set of historical events.


According to Piketty, the post-World War II middle class was created by two major things: the destruction of European inherited wealth during the war and higher taxes on the rich, most of which were rationalized by the war. This brought wealth and income at the top down, and raised working people up into a middle class.


Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?


This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.


Other policies, like protective tariffs and strong labor laws also help build a middle class, but progressive taxation is the most important because it is the most direct way to transfer money from the rich to the working poor, and to create a disincentive to theft or monopoly by those at the top.


History shows how important high taxes on the rich are for creating a strong middle class.


If you compare a chart showing the historical top income tax rate over the course of the twentieth century with a chart of income inequality in the United States over roughly the same time period, you'll see that the period with the highest taxes on the rich - the period between the Roosevelt and Reagan administrations - was also the period with the lowest levels of economic inequality.


You'll also notice that since marginal tax rates started to plummet during the Reagan years, income inequality has skyrocketed.


Even more striking, during those same 33 years since Reagan took office and started cutting taxes on the rich, income levels for the top 1 percent have ballooned while income levels for everyone else have stayed pretty much flat.


Coincidence? I think not.


Creating a middle class is always a choice, and by embracing Reaganomics and cutting taxes on the rich, we decided back in 1980 not to have a middle class within a generation or two. George H.W. Bush saw this, and correctly called it "Voodoo Economics." And we're still in the era of Reaganomics - as President Obama recently pointed out, Reagan was a successful revolutionary.


This, of course, is exactly what conservatives always push for. When wealth is spread more equally among all parts of society, people start to expect more from society and start demanding more rights. That leads to social instability, which is feared and hated by conservatives, even though revolutionaries and liberals like Thomas Jefferson welcome it.


And, as Kirk and Buckley predicted back in the 1950s, this is exactly what happened in the 1960s and '70s when taxes on the rich were at their highest. The Civil Rights movement, the women's movement, the consumer movement, the anti-war movement, and the environmental movement - social movements that grew out of the wealth and rising expectations of the post-World War II era's middle class - these all terrified conservatives. Which is why ever since they took power in 1980, they've made gutting working people out of the middle class their number one goal.


We now have a choice in this country. We can either continue going down the road to oligarchy, the road we've been on since the Reagan years, or we can choose to go on the road to a more pluralistic society with working class people able to make it into the middle class. We can't have both.


And if we want to go down the road to letting working people back into the middle class, it all starts with taxing the rich.


The time is long past due for us to roll back the Reagan tax cuts.
 
We now have a choice in this country. We can either continue going down the road to oligarchy, the road we've been on since the Reagan years, or we can choose to go on the road to a more pluralistic society with working class people able to make it into the middle class.
I use to keep asking myself WHY, when the Democrats were in control, did they not FIX and REVERSE the selfishness created by Republicans. Sadly, a lot of Democrats in Washington benefitted by the BS Reagan & Republicans created ... so even though you'd hear them yelling and screaming in Washington, that's ALL they really did. It was mostly a front to convince Americans that the Democrats "felt their pain" as Clinton once said ... yeah, they saw what it was doing, but too selfish to stop & reverse it.
Even now, unless we are able to establish TERM & AGE limits on all congressional representatives, we're not going to see much turn around in the future. Maybe Democrats will continue to spend closer to the budget, but even with big taxes on the wealthiest, getting rid of $23 trillion of debt is not going to happen over a few cycles of the Presidency. The national debt hole we're in, now, keeps getting bigger on its own ... how anyone in Washington can promise more "tax cuts" is beyond me. We don't need to dig the debt hole bigger ... its turned into a frik'n sink hole, and its getting bigger on its own.
 
I use to keep asking myself WHY, when the Democrats were in control, did they not FIX and REVERSE the selfishness created by Republicans. Sadly, a lot of Democrats in Washington benefitted by the BS Reagan & Republicans created ... so even though you'd hear them yelling and screaming in Washington, that's ALL they really did. It was mostly a front to convince Americans that the Democrats "felt their pain" as Clinton once said ... yeah, they saw what it was doing, but too selfish to stop & reverse it.
Even now, unless we are able to establish TERM & AGE limits on all congressional representatives, we're not going to see much turn around in the future. Maybe Democrats will continue to spend closer to the budget, but even with big taxes on the wealthiest, getting rid of $23 trillion of debt is not going to happen over a few cycles of the Presidency. The national debt hole we're in, now, keeps getting bigger on its own ... how anyone in Washington can promise more "tax cuts" is beyond me. We don't need to dig the debt hole bigger ... its turned into a frik'n sink hole, and its getting bigger on its own.


I think that is a big reason people are not so thrilled with the dems anymore...…..when given the chance they do not make the changes needed……..a lot of promises anymore!.....and if they don't get their ******* together we are going to be in big trouble


really need a third party....just if nothing else to shake things up....look at Hillary last election...didn't even campaign in some states because they were DEM...and they went red!.....third party would wake up both sides....well don't think the right will ever get off their catering to the wealthy...it puts money in their pockets with bribes and payoffs and etc


although kind of funny...that brings up the old double standard again...….with the right corruption just a way of life and most just slides right by...if a Dem tries that same *******....all over the news


but anyway....the Dems anymore are great at making promises and not keeping them....wearing kind of thin...….the only thing saving them anymore is that the alternative vote is far worse.....right now they are just the lesser of 2 evils and NOT earning any votes.....think Joe might change some of that....hope so
 
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I think that is a big reason people are not so thrilled with the dems anymore...…..when given the chance they do not make the changes needed……..a lot of promises anymore!.....and if they don't get their ******* together we are going to be in big trouble


really need a third party....just if nothing else to shake things up....look at Hillary last election...didn't even campaign in some states because they were DEM...and they went red!.....third party would wake up both sides....well don't think the right will ever get off their catering to the wealthy...it puts money in their pockets with bribes and payoffs and etc

A third party is a guaranteed losing strategy in American electoral politics, unless we change the constitution to a proportional representation system (e.g. ranked choice voting or something).

I would settle for the democrats having an actual progressive platform instead of
"what do we want?" INCREMENTAL CHANGE
"when do we want it?" SOMEDAY
 
A third party is a guaranteed losing strategy in American electoral politics, unless we change the constitution to a proportional representation system (e.g. ranked choice voting or something).

I would settle for the democrats having an actual progressive platform instead of
"what do we want?" INCREMENTAL CHANGE
"when do we want it?" SOMEDAY



third party has just never had their ******* together and always wait until late to run...and then it is not someone worth a *******...look at the swiss I think it is that ran 12 candidates last time....nothing wrong with that......EXCEPT....the right here ALWAYS sticks together...one lies the other swears to it......as with the left each group has their own agenda and is not together and nothing gets done.....that is why the right usually wins....well that and their "controlled" voting.....just like last time and maybe this time....will sanders fans support Biden?...didn't support Hillary last time


Dems go with mob rule for each candidate...…..the right supports a snake if that is what is running
 
Sorry for changing the subject, I do not know how you do it, @ed4mwf, but I was asked to upgrade on here or get verified! I absolutely REFUSE to do that with how much goes on this website! I guess, you can say, my rant is finished!
 
Sorry for changing the subject, I do not know how you do it, @ed4mwf, but I was asked to upgrade on here or get verified! I absolutely REFUSE to do that with how much goes on this website! I guess, you can say, my rant is finished!
Nope. Why? How many white guys are on here without any verification or gold membership?
 
Nope. Why? How many white guys are on here without any verification or gold membership?
I agree with you there! I just cannot see myself doing that when I see most White folks feel so arrogant in their beliefs such as 2kindred_spirits or White Satin! It's people like those two that make you NOT want to be on this website AT ALL! Just pisses me off especially how they feel about the reparations discussion, for example! Being on this site can give a brotha high ******* pressure, goodness! Smh!
 
I agree with you there! I just cannot see myself doing that when I see most White folks feel so arrogant in their beliefs such as 2kindred_spirits or White Satin! It's people like those two that make you NOT want to be on this website AT ALL! Just pisses me off especially how they feel about the reparations discussion, for example! Being on this site can give a brotha high ******* pressure, goodness! Smh!
That's why you have to go over to the porn side for a while. Get your focus right.
 
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