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U.S. economy adds 266,000 jobs in November, unemployment rate falls to 3.5%
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The U.S. economy added far more jobs than expected in November and the joblessness rate edged down to a 50-year low.
The Department of Labor delivered its November jobs report at 8:30 a.m. ET Friday. Here were the main results from the report, compared to consensus data compiled by Bloomberg:
  • Change in non-farm payrolls: +266,000 vs. +180,000 expected
  • Unemployment rate: 3.5% vs. 3.6% expected
  • Average hourly earnings month over month: +0.2% vs. +0.3% expected
  • Average hourly earnings year over year: +3.1% vs. +3.0% expected
Heading into the report, consensus economists expected that headline employment gains would get a boost from the return of thousands of General Motors (GM) workers, after a 40-day United Auto Workers strike through September and October contributed to a net decline of 36,000 manufacturing payrolls in the last jobs report.
But even outside of this one-time impact, consensus economists still had held high expectations for the November jobs report as other economic indicators of U.S. employment held firm during the month.



IHS Markit’s print on manufacturing sector activity last week registered the fastest rise in employment since March, and the firm’s service sector report showed the first rise in service sector employment growth in three months.
The Institute for Supply Management’s non-manufacturing employment index increased in November to the highest level since July, although the manufacturing employment index decreased slightly. Initial jobless claims remained relatively low throughout November and unexpectedly fell to the lowest level in seven months during the final week of the month (though the BLS survey period takes place during the week of the 12th of the month).
However, ADP/Moody’s latest jobs report released Wednesday suggested that employment trends had weakened in November. This report showed private sector job gains of just 67,000 for the month, well below the 135,000 gains expected. The report, however, has served has an imperfect indicator of employment gains in the subsequent Labor Department report, due to differences in survey methodology.
The Department of Labor’s jobs report Friday serves as one of the last pieces of new economic data Federal Reserve members receive before heading into their final interest rate-setting meeting of the year next week.
“In the Fed’s view, as long as consumer demand and the labor market remain strong enough to keep growth from deteriorating significantly below potential, they will remain in wait-and-see mode,” Deutsche Bank economist Brett Ryan said in a note last Friday.
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U.S. economy adds 266,000 jobs in November, unemployment rate falls to 3.5%
AOL.COM 28 mins ago
The U.S. economy added far more jobs than expected in November and the joblessness rate edged down to a 50-year low.
The Department of Labor delivered its November jobs report at 8:30 a.m. ET Friday. Here were the main results from the report, compared to consensus data compiled by Bloomberg:
  • Change in non-farm payrolls: +266,000 vs. +180,000 expected
  • Unemployment rate: 3.5% vs. 3.6% expected
  • Average hourly earnings month over month: +0.2% vs. +0.3% expected
  • Average hourly earnings year over year: +3.1% vs. +3.0% expected
Heading into the report, consensus economists expected that headline employment gains would get a boost from the return of thousands of General Motors (GM) workers, after a 40-day United Auto Workers strike through September and October contributed to a net decline of 36,000 manufacturing payrolls in the last jobs report.
But even outside of this one-time impact, consensus economists still had held high expectations for the November jobs report as other economic indicators of U.S. employment held firm during the month.



IHS Markit’s print on manufacturing sector activity last week registered the fastest rise in employment since March, and the firm’s service sector report showed the first rise in service sector employment growth in three months.
The Institute for Supply Management’s non-manufacturing employment index increased in November to the highest level since July, although the manufacturing employment index decreased slightly. Initial jobless claims remained relatively low throughout November and unexpectedly fell to the lowest level in seven months during the final week of the month (though the BLS survey period takes place during the week of the 12th of the month).
However, ADP/Moody’s latest jobs report released Wednesday suggested that employment trends had weakened in November. This report showed private sector job gains of just 67,000 for the month, well below the 135,000 gains expected. The report, however, has served has an imperfect indicator of employment gains in the subsequent Labor Department report, due to differences in survey methodology.
The Department of Labor’s jobs report Friday serves as one of the last pieces of new economic data Federal Reserve members receive before heading into their final interest rate-setting meeting of the year next week.
“In the Fed’s view, as long as consumer demand and the labor market remain strong enough to keep growth from deteriorating significantly below potential, they will remain in wait-and-see mode,” Deutsche Bank economist Brett Ryan said in a note last Friday.
This post is breaking. Check back for updates.

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Yeah Trump! The Dems might have a point in the first year or two while Trump is in office that he benefitted from Obama's administration, but there will come a point where that should shift where Trump should be creditted for how he is influencing the economy as well especially during the final year of his first term, and in the final years of his second term too.
 
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If Trump is not blowing his own horn you guys are blowing it for him......just that he doesn't get all the credit



Opinion: Trump is lucky he inherited a good hand


If you think this first year of Donald Trump’s presidency has been rough, you might need a refresher course in recent American history. Compared to what our two other 21st-century presidents had to face in their first 12 months on the job, Trump has had a comparatively easy time.


When George W. Bush took over in January 2001, he inherited a recession and a stock market that was in the middle of a 49% crash (S&P 500 SPX, +1.02% ). While dealing with that, the United States suffered a devastating terror attack that soon led to the two longest wars in American history — Afghanistan and Iraq — fought simultaneously. We’re still fighting in Afghanistan, in fact: on New Year’s Day, Mihail Golin, a 34-year old Army sergeant 1st class, was killed by enemy fire. He was 18 when the war began.


Eight years later, Barack Obama inherited an even bigger mess.

In the six months before he was sworn in, there had been massive bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, big banks, General Motors and Chrysler. Lehman Brothers went belly up. As the U.S. economy collapsed that fall, millions of Americans lost their jobs.


The housing market, which first began to crater in 2006, destroyed some $7 trillion in wealth — and that’s on top of a stock market wipeout that saw the S&P 500 fall a staggering 56% (stocks bottomed out seven weeks after he took over). As tax revenues disappeared, the federal deficit, when Obama took over, had soared to $1.4 trillion.


Other than Lincoln in 1861 and FDR in 1933, tell me a president who inherited a bigger mess?


Why, Donald Trump, of course. At least that’s what he says.


There’s no need to mention the obvious here, like the S&P 500 more than tripling between March 2009 and Election Day 2016, or an unemployment rate falling by more than half from its recession peak (10%) to 4.8% by January 2017. There’s no need to mention eight separate quarters of economic growth at 3% pace or better, including spurts of 4.6% and 5.2%.

There’s also no need to say that the deficit was slashed in both absolute terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product. You don’t have to be a genius (stable or otherwise) to know these things, so I won’t mention them. But they underline an important fact: Trump inherited a much better economic situation than his two most recent predecessors.


His bluster about inheriting a “mess” is just typical Trump blarney, but it plays well to his 35%-40% base.


But just because Trump hasn’t had to perform economic triage like Bush and Obama doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything, because he has. Even though Trump’s tax cut is far smaller than both Obama’s 2010 and 2013 tax cuts (as a percentage of GDP), he likes to brag that the average American will get a (short-term boost) of about $1,600 per year.

For many Americans $1,600 is real money, but those who need help the most won’t get anywhere near that sum. Dividing all taxpayers into quintiles, the typical middle-class family -- what we’d call average -- will actually get about $930. The average tax cut for quintile below that is even less: about $360. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi calls this “crumbs,” a comment that has earned her ridicule from Republicans.

And yet the tax law has also resulted in stories like this: Fiat Chrysler FCAU, -0.91% , for example, is relocating a truck factory from Mexico to Michigan (Mexico to Michigan!) that will mean 2,500 American jobs. The country’s biggest private-sector employer — WalMart wmt, +0.72% — is raising its minimum wage 22% to $11 an hour. Both companies credit the tax law. These are very big things, and hopefully there will be more stories like this in the future.

In other respects though, the tax law is a travesty. It’s a huge windfall to the uber wealthy—like Trump himself, and deficits will rise sharply, meaning big government programs like the retirement programs you’re counting on could be cut.


Sure, you’re getting a tax cut right now—great—but you may wind up giving it all back a few years down the road. For this reason, the true impact of the tax law, for better or worse, won’t be known for years.


It could be that the most consequential thing for the economy during Trump’s first year has been his attack on red tape. Government bureaucrats, the Economist notes, “have all but stopped writing new rules,” while old ones deemed cumbersome to economic growth have been watered down or done away with altogether.


It has been a great boon to businesses, particularly smaller ones that regularly complain about having to deal with too many regulations. However, In some high-profile instances, like allowing businesses to release more pollutants into the air and water, Trump and his fox-guarding-the-henhouse group of corporate appointees have gone too far.

Trump has so far been a get-the-government-out-of-the-way guy. But meddling by, say, slapping tariffs on China and Mexico, or pulling out of NAFTA, could reverse whatever economic progress was made last year. Rather than actually try to disrupt the global trade system, which could do more harm than good, perhaps Trump’s best strategy might be to do nothing, while blabbing otherwise to his base. He brags that more Americans are going back to work, getting raises, that the future looks great. So why would he want to muck that up?


The president should feel lucky that he inherited 1) a much better U.S. economy than his most recent predecessors and 2) a global economy that is also doing quite well. Bush and Obama had no such advantage.


In this respect, a better president to compare Trump to might be Calvin “the business of America is business” Coolidge. Coolidge got out of the way during the Roaring ‘20s, as Americans raced ahead. As is the case today, the stock market soared, hitting dizzying new heights day in and day out. Folks thought trees grew to the sky. They would soon learn that they don’t.





Just to keep the record straight



Obama Policies Fueled Our Economic Boom. Don’t Let Trump And His Rich Man’s Tax Cut Steal The Credit

12/25/2017 01:28 pm ET Updated Dec 26, 2017

Donald Trump is good at certain things. (Please take a deep breath and don’t throw your mouse or laptop at the wall.) I have not come to praise Mr. Lost The Popular Vote By 2.9 Million. But the truth is the trutheven if the truth is something Trump wouldn’t recognize if it landed right on the dyed bird’s nest that covers his dome. In any case, we must acknowledge that the man has demonstrated the ability to shape the media narrative for his own nefarious purposes.

For example, when the term “fake news” first gained widespread usage during the 2016 campaign, it most often referred to anti-Hillary, pro-Trump stories planted by non-journalists on social media. Trump, however, has over the past year co-opted the term successfully enough so that, for many, it now primarily refers to mainstream journalists’ supposed anti-Trump bias. Similarly, he has sought to control the narrative about the strong performance of the American economy, and last week’s passage of the rich man’s tax cut is going to be a crucial pivot point in that narrative. The mainstream media and the American people simply cannot allow him to control it the way he has controlled the narrative on fake news.

Throughout his time in the White House, Trump has been obsessed with denigrating the accomplishments of Barack Obama (Think: “Obamacare is imploding”—it isn’t, but who knows what will happen next year as a result of Trump’s repeal of the individual mandate and other steps taken to sabotage the health care law). On the economy, this exchange with Fox News talking head Laura Ingraham from last month stands as representative:

INGRAHAM: Look at the economy, are you getting the credit for this economic revival without tax cuts through – yeah, without Obamacare repeal yet, and this is a stunning economic revival in 10 months. TRUMP: One of the greatest in the history of our country, and I’m in here now 10 months, and we are setting record after record, day after day. I think we hit another one today. No, I’m not getting enough credit for it. [Snip] Tax cuts – if we get this through and I think we will – you’re going to see this economy take off like a rocket ship.



“Are you getting enough credit for all the great things you’ve done?” is, apparently, what a real journalist asks a sitting president. To me, it sounds a lot like state-run media in a Soviet-style dictatorship. Between that and the you-know-what-licking “prayers” being offered at recent Cabinet meetings—Mike Pence’s praise for his boss makes Lucius Malfoy’s brownnosing of Lord Voldemort look like amateur hour—our government is drawing closer and closer to that of North Korea, in appearance at least, but unfortunately not in terms of diplomatic relations.

Comparing the economy under Trump and Obama has also been a regular feature in this theater of the absurd.

Stephanie Grisham

@PressSec



https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/942917780793413632



Amazing what happens when you put a businessman instead of a liberal politician in the White House->
http://cnb.cx/2oF9hmK
Dow rises 5,000 points in a year. First time ever



In response to the White House press secretary’s misleading tweet (this is in fact far from the best year in percentage terms for the Dow), former Obama economic adviser Steven Rattner cited the following non-fake data, i.e., the truth.




Steven Rattner

@SteveRattner



https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/943220231333400577



Dow in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 29.9%
- Trump: 25.0%

S&P in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 36.9%
- Trump: 18.4% https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/942917780793413632 …


Washington Post fact-checker Nicole Lewis offered a detailed comparison of the economy under Trump thus far and Obama. There’s far too much detail to go into here, but here are some highlights. First, the stock market growth in Trump’s first 10 months doesn’t look nearly as impressive when you learn that it is no better than the market’s performance in peer countries like the UK, Germany, and Japan. This isn’t a Trump bull market, it’s a global one. By comparison, under Obama the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, not only tripled over eight years, it significantly outperformed the markets in those same peer countries.


Job growth under Trump lags behind job growth under Obama (in a comparable time period, i.e., February through November) in each of the previous four years, and five out of the last seven years of the Obama presidency. And while we’re on the topic of media narrative, Trump now touts the big drop of about one-half of 1 percent in the unemployment rate since he took office, but while Obama was president he denigrated the unemployment rate as “nonsense.” That’s not surprising given that it fell almost five points during the final five years of the Obama presidency.

Overall, the economy under Trump thus far looks no better by most measures than the economy in the last years under Obama. Furthermore, whereas Trump inherited the strong Obama economy, Obama inherited the Great Recession from George W. Bush—the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. That crash followed years of Republican control of Congress and a round of tax cuts whose benefits flowed mostly to the wealthy (sound familiar?). Until the passage of the Trump tax scheme, there were no significant changes to the economic policies put in place during the Obama presidency—policies that brought our economy out of the Great Recession and which have given us the longest lasting period of job growth in our history. As John Cassidy at the New Yorker put it, Obama gave Trump:

An economy that is growing steadily, with large numbers of jobs being created on a regular basis, and living standards finally edging up. Other economic indicators, such as the size of the budget deficit, the level of consumer confidence, and the leverage ratios in the financial system, are also looking much healthier than they were when Obama took office.

Trump’s comments above about his tax scheme and “rocket fuel” make clear that he will go even further than he has so far in claiming credit for anything good happening in the economy. He and his right-wing minions have in fact begun doing so. Here’s a headline from the Conservative Review: “The Trump tax cuts are ALREADY raising wages” (all-caps makes it much more convincing, doesn’t it?). Don’t buy it. As Conor Sen at Bloomberg explained, the rich man’s tax cut is merely the “excuse to raise wages. The tight labor market is the real reason.” And of course the tight labor market reflects years of a strong economy bequeathed to us by none other than President Barack Obama. Don’t let Donald Trump steal the credit.


 
So did the DNC tell everyone who to vote for yet? no? I see creepy Joe is still in.
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If Trump is not blowing his own horn you guys are blowing it for him......just that he doesn't get all the credit



Opinion: Trump is lucky he inherited a good hand


If you think this first year of Donald Trump’s presidency has been rough, you might need a refresher course in recent American history. Compared to what our two other 21st-century presidents had to face in their first 12 months on the job, Trump has had a comparatively easy time.


When George W. Bush took over in January 2001, he inherited a recession and a stock market that was in the middle of a 49% crash (S&P 500 SPX, +1.02% ). While dealing with that, the United States suffered a devastating terror attack that soon led to the two longest wars in American history — Afghanistan and Iraq — fought simultaneously. We’re still fighting in Afghanistan, in fact: on New Year’s Day, Mihail Golin, a 34-year old Army sergeant 1st class, was killed by enemy fire. He was 18 when the war began.


Eight years later, Barack Obama inherited an even bigger mess.

In the six months before he was sworn in, there had been massive bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, big banks, General Motors and Chrysler. Lehman Brothers went belly up. As the U.S. economy collapsed that fall, millions of Americans lost their jobs.


The housing market, which first began to crater in 2006, destroyed some $7 trillion in wealth — and that’s on top of a stock market wipeout that saw the S&P 500 fall a staggering 56% (stocks bottomed out seven weeks after he took over). As tax revenues disappeared, the federal deficit, when Obama took over, had soared to $1.4 trillion.


Other than Lincoln in 1861 and FDR in 1933, tell me a president who inherited a bigger mess?


Why, Donald Trump, of course. At least that’s what he says.


There’s no need to mention the obvious here, like the S&P 500 more than tripling between March 2009 and Election Day 2016, or an unemployment rate falling by more than half from its recession peak (10%) to 4.8% by January 2017. There’s no need to mention eight separate quarters of economic growth at 3% pace or better, including spurts of 4.6% and 5.2%.

There’s also no need to say that the deficit was slashed in both absolute terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product. You don’t have to be a genius (stable or otherwise) to know these things, so I won’t mention them. But they underline an important fact: Trump inherited a much better economic situation than his two most recent predecessors.


His bluster about inheriting a “mess” is just typical Trump blarney, but it plays well to his 35%-40% base.


But just because Trump hasn’t had to perform economic triage like Bush and Obama doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything, because he has. Even though Trump’s tax cut is far smaller than both Obama’s 2010 and 2013 tax cuts (as a percentage of GDP), he likes to brag that the average American will get a (short-term boost) of about $1,600 per year.

For many Americans $1,600 is real money, but those who need help the most won’t get anywhere near that sum. Dividing all taxpayers into quintiles, the typical middle-class family -- what we’d call average -- will actually get about $930. The average tax cut for quintile below that is even less: about $360. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi calls this “crumbs,” a comment that has earned her ridicule from Republicans.

And yet the tax law has also resulted in stories like this: Fiat Chrysler FCAU, -0.91% , for example, is relocating a truck factory from Mexico to Michigan (Mexico to Michigan!) that will mean 2,500 American jobs. The country’s biggest private-sector employer — WalMart wmt, +0.72% — is raising its minimum wage 22% to $11 an hour. Both companies credit the tax law. These are very big things, and hopefully there will be more stories like this in the future.

In other respects though, the tax law is a travesty. It’s a huge windfall to the uber wealthy—like Trump himself, and deficits will rise sharply, meaning big government programs like the retirement programs you’re counting on could be cut.


Sure, you’re getting a tax cut right now—great—but you may wind up giving it all back a few years down the road. For this reason, the true impact of the tax law, for better or worse, won’t be known for years.


It could be that the most consequential thing for the economy during Trump’s first year has been his attack on red tape. Government bureaucrats, the Economist notes, “have all but stopped writing new rules,” while old ones deemed cumbersome to economic growth have been watered down or done away with altogether.


It has been a great boon to businesses, particularly smaller ones that regularly complain about having to deal with too many regulations. However, In some high-profile instances, like allowing businesses to release more pollutants into the air and water, Trump and his fox-guarding-the-henhouse group of corporate appointees have gone too far.

Trump has so far been a get-the-government-out-of-the-way guy. But meddling by, say, slapping tariffs on China and Mexico, or pulling out of NAFTA, could reverse whatever economic progress was made last year. Rather than actually try to disrupt the global trade system, which could do more harm than good, perhaps Trump’s best strategy might be to do nothing, while blabbing otherwise to his base. He brags that more Americans are going back to work, getting raises, that the future looks great. So why would he want to muck that up?


The president should feel lucky that he inherited 1) a much better U.S. economy than his most recent predecessors and 2) a global economy that is also doing quite well. Bush and Obama had no such advantage.


In this respect, a better president to compare Trump to might be Calvin “the business of America is business” Coolidge. Coolidge got out of the way during the Roaring ‘20s, as Americans raced ahead
. As is the case today, the stock market soared, hitting dizzying new heights day in and day out. Folks thought trees grew to the sky. They would soon learn that they don’t.





Just to keep the record straight



Obama Policies Fueled Our Economic Boom. Don’t Let Trump And His Rich Man’s Tax Cut Steal The Credit

12/25/2017 01:28 pm ET Updated Dec 26, 2017

Donald Trump is good at certain things. (Please take a deep breath and don’t throw your mouse or laptop at the wall.) I have not come to praise Mr. Lost The Popular Vote By 2.9 Million. But the truth is the trutheven if the truth is something Trump wouldn’t recognize if it landed right on the dyed bird’s nest that covers his dome. In any case, we must acknowledge that the man has demonstrated the ability to shape the media narrative for his own nefarious purposes.

For example, when the term “fake news” first gained widespread usage during the 2016 campaign, it most often referred to anti-Hillary, pro-Trump stories planted by non-journalists on social media. Trump, however, has over the past year co-opted the term successfully enough so that, for many, it now primarily refers to mainstream journalists’ supposed anti-Trump bias. Similarly, he has sought to control the narrative about the strong performance of the American economy, and last week’s passage of the rich man’s tax cut is going to be a crucial pivot point in that narrative. The mainstream media and the American people simply cannot allow him to control it the way he has controlled the narrative on fake news.

Throughout his time in the White House, Trump has been obsessed with denigrating the accomplishments of Barack Obama (Think: “Obamacare is imploding”—it isn’t, but who knows what will happen next year as a result of Trump’s repeal of the individual mandate and other steps taken to sabotage the health care law). On the economy, this exchange with Fox News talking head Laura Ingraham from last month stands as representative:





“Are you getting enough credit for all the great things you’ve done?” is, apparently, what a real journalist asks a sitting president. To me, it sounds a lot like state-run media in a Soviet-style dictatorship. Between that and the you-know-what-licking “prayers” being offered at recent Cabinet meetings—Mike Pence’s praise for his boss makes Lucius Malfoy’s brownnosing of Lord Voldemort look like amateur hour—our government is drawing closer and closer to that of North Korea, in appearance at least, but unfortunately not in terms of diplomatic relations.

Comparing the economy under Trump and Obama has also been a regular feature in this theater of the absurd.

Stephanie Grisham
@PressSec






Amazing what happens when you put a businessman instead of a liberal politician in the White House->
http://cnb.cx/2oF9hmK
Dow rises 5,000 points in a year. First time ever



In response to the White House press secretary’s misleading tweet (this is in fact far from the best year in percentage terms for the Dow), former Obama economic adviser Steven Rattner cited the following non-fake data, i.e., the truth.



Steven Rattner
@SteveRattner






Dow in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 29.9%
- Trump: 25.0%

S&P in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 36.9%
- Trump: 18.4% https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/942917780793413632 …


Washington Post fact-checker Nicole Lewis offered a detailed comparison of the economy under Trump thus far and Obama. There’s far too much detail to go into here, but here are some highlights. First, the stock market growth in Trump’s first 10 months doesn’t look nearly as impressive when you learn that it is no better than the market’s performance in peer countries like the UK, Germany, and Japan. This isn’t a Trump bull market, it’s a global one. By comparison, under Obama the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, not only tripled over eight years, it significantly outperformed the markets in those same peer countries.


Job growth under Trump lags behind job growth under Obama (in a comparable time period, i.e., February through November) in each of the previous four years, and five out of the last seven years of the Obama presidency. And while we’re on the topic of media narrative, Trump now touts the big drop of about one-half of 1 percent in the unemployment rate since he took office, but while Obama was president he denigrated the unemployment rate as “nonsense.” That’s not surprising given that it fell almost five points during the final five years of the Obama presidency.

Overall, the economy under Trump thus far looks no better by most measures than the economy in the last years under Obama. Furthermore, whereas Trump inherited the strong Obama economy, Obama inherited the Great Recession from George W. Bush—the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. That crash followed years of Republican control of Congress and a round of tax cuts whose benefits flowed mostly to the wealthy (sound familiar?). Until the passage of the Trump tax scheme, there were no significant changes to the economic policies put in place during the Obama presidency—policies that brought our economy out of the Great Recession and which have given us the longest lasting period of job growth in our history. As John Cassidy at the New Yorker put it, Obama gave Trump:



Trump’s comments above about his tax scheme and “rocket fuel” make clear that he will go even further than he has so far in claiming credit for anything good happening in the economy. He and his right-wing minions have in fact begun doing so. Here’s a headline from the Conservative Review: “The Trump tax cuts are ALREADY raising wages” (all-caps makes it much more convincing, doesn’t it?). Don’t buy it. As Conor Sen at Bloomberg explained, the rich man’s tax cut is merely the “excuse to raise wages. The tight labor market is the real reason.” And of course the tight labor market reflects years of a strong economy bequeathed to us by none other than President Barack Obama. Don’t let Donald Trump steal the credit.


Okay Trump inherited a good hand, but ultimately as we approach 4 years, and then approach 8 years Trump will have earned some credit if the American economy remains good. Ultimately there would be some time during his administration where he gets some respect for it too unless Obama is working for him in the background which I strongly doubt. :unsure:

Similarly examine the gif below involving a team of people juggling. Sure Obama did things and the economy prospered and did not slip in his juggling performance, but if President Trump 🇺🇸 does the same thing after his position of POTUS, would he not deserve the same credit if not more as he was handicapped with all forms of mechanisms to remove him from office since the day he was inaugurated as POTUS?

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When Obama was in all he did was blame George W. for everything that was wrong right up til the end - now they wanna take credit for everything good going on 3 years after he’s gone - typical Dem Dementia.
 
Okay Trump inherited a good hand, but ultimately as we approach 4 years, and then approach 8 years Trump will have earned some credit if the American economy remains good. Ultimately there would be some time during his administration where he gets some respect for it too unless Obama is working for him in the background which I strongly doubt. :unsure:



I don't see him getting 4 more years and you already know that....as for the economy...it has been ticking along for several years now...before trump....but trump has done several things that have trashed the economy in the past....and is still doing more.....question is how long will it remain a strong economy....he got lucky on China dropping some tariffs on soybeans...….might give him some more farm votes.....even if he doesn't fuck the economy...he is certainly fucking up the deficit writing those checks with no money in the bank.....can only do that for so long....before credit runs out......right now things still chugging along as they have been for a while ...but he is a recipe for disaster
 
When Obama was in all he did was blame George W. for everything that was wrong right up til the end - now they wanna take credit for everything good going on 3 years after he’s gone - typical Dem Dementia.


already posted the facts on that above....but you people never read them

Job growth under Trump lags behind job growth under Obama


First, the stock market growth in Trump’s first 10 months doesn’t look nearly as impressive when you learn that it is no better than the market’s performance in peer countries like the UK, Germany, and Japan. This isn’t a Trump bull market, it’s a global one. By comparison, under Obama the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, not only tripled over eight years, it significantly outperformed the markets in those same peer countries.



please let me know if I can be of any further assistance in improving your education
 
You don’t even read your torrent o lefty propaganda - and - you expect me to ????

Your last statement seems completely unbelievable but I am not a search engine fiend - my gut just tells me it’s horseshite :}
 
You don’t even read your torrent o lefty propaganda - and - you expect me to ????

Your last statement seems completely unbelievable but I am not a search engine fiend - my gut just tells me it’s horseshite :}


hell yes I read it...…..I read the first few paragraphs to make sure it's what I want...close it and check the next....I don't read ALL of all of them....but if I find one that is very interesting I post the whole article.....like the one I posted about big corps want big gov and regulations....they lobby for it so it will hurt small biz...….I thought that was a very good article and I bet very few of you read it


as for the search engine fiend....you guys just post so much bullshit....I have to see what is true and what isn't...…..I have found....you guys rarely post anything factual....rarely...NEVER post anything factual.....I'm not a republican and just buy your ******* and tell another
 
I don't see him getting 4 more years and you already know that....as for the economy...it has been ticking along for several years now...before trump....but trump has done several things that have trashed the economy in the past....and is still doing more.....question is how long will it remain a strong economy....he got lucky on China dropping some tariffs on soybeans...….might give him some more farm votes.....even if he doesn't fuck the economy...he is certainly fucking up the deficit writing those checks with no money in the bank.....can only do that for so long....before credit runs out......right now things still chugging along as they have been for a while ...but he is a recipe for disaster
For your sake @subhub174014 , if Trump gets re-elected and if the economy is still doing well he might get some credit for it at that point in time.
 
For your sake @subhub174014 , if Trump gets re-elected and if the economy is still doing well he might get some credit for it at that point in time.
yes he will but history not in his favor......

Reagan tax cuts - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_tax_cuts
In 1980 Reagan promised those cuts and over his next 2 terms, he cut taxes to the lowest since the 1920s when the top Personal Income Tax rates were lowered from 73% to 25% in the Revenue Act of 1921, the Revenue Act of 1924, and the Revenue Act of 1926. When the tax cuts were finally put into the tax code, a recession occurred.

Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration

The economic policy of the George W. Bush administration was characterized by significant income tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, the implementation of Medicare Part D in 2003, increased military spending for two wars, a housing bubble that contributed to the subprime mortgage crisis of 2007–2008, and the Great Recession that followed. Economic performance during the period was adversely affected by two recessions, in 2001 and 2007–2009.

Did George W. Bush 'borrow' from Social Security to fund ...
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/03/facebook-posts/did-george-w-bush-b…
"Bush ‘borrowed’ $1.37 trillion of Social Security surplus revenue to pay for his tax cuts for the rich and his war in Iraq and never paid it back." By law, the Social Security surplus is converted into bonds, and the cash is used by the Treasury to pay for government expenses.






Study: Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy
nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/study-trump-tax-cuts-failed-growth-investment.html
May 29, 2019 · Study: Trump Tax Cuts Failed to Help Anybody But the Wealthy The Congressional Research Service, a kind of in-house think-tank for Congress, has a new paper analyzing the effects of the Trump tax...

Trump's Tax Cuts Didn't Benefit U.S. Workers, Made Rich ...
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-tax-cuts-trump-wage-increases-879800
Trump’s Tax Cuts Didn’t Benefit U.S. Workers, Made Rich Companies Richer, Analysis Finds. President Donald Trump’s corporate tax cuts might not have trickled down to American workers in the way that he suggested they would. Trump and Republican leadership have long touted their tax cuts as a massive boon to America’s working class,...
 
If Trump is not blowing his own horn you guys are blowing it for him......just that he doesn't get all the credit



Opinion: Trump is lucky he inherited a good hand


If you think this first year of Donald Trump’s presidency has been rough, you might need a refresher course in recent American history. Compared to what our two other 21st-century presidents had to face in their first 12 months on the job, Trump has had a comparatively easy time.


When George W. Bush took over in January 2001, he inherited a recession and a stock market that was in the middle of a 49% crash (S&P 500 SPX, +1.02% ). While dealing with that, the United States suffered a devastating terror attack that soon led to the two longest wars in American history — Afghanistan and Iraq — fought simultaneously. We’re still fighting in Afghanistan, in fact: on New Year’s Day, Mihail Golin, a 34-year old Army sergeant 1st class, was killed by enemy fire. He was 18 when the war began.


Eight years later, Barack Obama inherited an even bigger mess.

In the six months before he was sworn in, there had been massive bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, big banks, General Motors and Chrysler. Lehman Brothers went belly up. As the U.S. economy collapsed that fall, millions of Americans lost their jobs.


The housing market, which first began to crater in 2006, destroyed some $7 trillion in wealth — and that’s on top of a stock market wipeout that saw the S&P 500 fall a staggering 56% (stocks bottomed out seven weeks after he took over). As tax revenues disappeared, the federal deficit, when Obama took over, had soared to $1.4 trillion.


Other than Lincoln in 1861 and FDR in 1933, tell me a president who inherited a bigger mess?


Why, Donald Trump, of course. At least that’s what he says.


There’s no need to mention the obvious here, like the S&P 500 more than tripling between March 2009 and Election Day 2016, or an unemployment rate falling by more than half from its recession peak (10%) to 4.8% by January 2017. There’s no need to mention eight separate quarters of economic growth at 3% pace or better, including spurts of 4.6% and 5.2%.

There’s also no need to say that the deficit was slashed in both absolute terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product. You don’t have to be a genius (stable or otherwise) to know these things, so I won’t mention them. But they underline an important fact: Trump inherited a much better economic situation than his two most recent predecessors.


His bluster about inheriting a “mess” is just typical Trump blarney, but it plays well to his 35%-40% base.


But just because Trump hasn’t had to perform economic triage like Bush and Obama doesn’t mean he hasn’t done anything, because he has. Even though Trump’s tax cut is far smaller than both Obama’s 2010 and 2013 tax cuts (as a percentage of GDP), he likes to brag that the average American will get a (short-term boost) of about $1,600 per year.

For many Americans $1,600 is real money, but those who need help the most won’t get anywhere near that sum. Dividing all taxpayers into quintiles, the typical middle-class family -- what we’d call average -- will actually get about $930. The average tax cut for quintile below that is even less: about $360. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi calls this “crumbs,” a comment that has earned her ridicule from Republicans.

And yet the tax law has also resulted in stories like this: Fiat Chrysler FCAU, -0.91% , for example, is relocating a truck factory from Mexico to Michigan (Mexico to Michigan!) that will mean 2,500 American jobs. The country’s biggest private-sector employer — WalMart wmt, +0.72% — is raising its minimum wage 22% to $11 an hour. Both companies credit the tax law. These are very big things, and hopefully there will be more stories like this in the future.

In other respects though, the tax law is a travesty. It’s a huge windfall to the uber wealthy—like Trump himself, and deficits will rise sharply, meaning big government programs like the retirement programs you’re counting on could be cut.


Sure, you’re getting a tax cut right now—great—but you may wind up giving it all back a few years down the road. For this reason, the true impact of the tax law, for better or worse, won’t be known for years.


It could be that the most consequential thing for the economy during Trump’s first year has been his attack on red tape. Government bureaucrats, the Economist notes, “have all but stopped writing new rules,” while old ones deemed cumbersome to economic growth have been watered down or done away with altogether.


It has been a great boon to businesses, particularly smaller ones that regularly complain about having to deal with too many regulations. However, In some high-profile instances, like allowing businesses to release more pollutants into the air and water, Trump and his fox-guarding-the-henhouse group of corporate appointees have gone too far.

Trump has so far been a get-the-government-out-of-the-way guy. But meddling by, say, slapping tariffs on China and Mexico, or pulling out of NAFTA, could reverse whatever economic progress was made last year. Rather than actually try to disrupt the global trade system, which could do more harm than good, perhaps Trump’s best strategy might be to do nothing, while blabbing otherwise to his base. He brags that more Americans are going back to work, getting raises, that the future looks great. So why would he want to muck that up?


The president should feel lucky that he inherited 1) a much better U.S. economy than his most recent predecessors and 2) a global economy that is also doing quite well. Bush and Obama had no such advantage.


In this respect, a better president to compare Trump to might be Calvin “the business of America is business” Coolidge. Coolidge got out of the way during the Roaring ‘20s, as Americans raced ahead
. As is the case today, the stock market soared, hitting dizzying new heights day in and day out. Folks thought trees grew to the sky. They would soon learn that they don’t.





Just to keep the record straight



Obama Policies Fueled Our Economic Boom. Don’t Let Trump And His Rich Man’s Tax Cut Steal The Credit

12/25/2017 01:28 pm ET Updated Dec 26, 2017

Donald Trump is good at certain things. (Please take a deep breath and don’t throw your mouse or laptop at the wall.) I have not come to praise Mr. Lost The Popular Vote By 2.9 Million. But the truth is the trutheven if the truth is something Trump wouldn’t recognize if it landed right on the dyed bird’s nest that covers his dome. In any case, we must acknowledge that the man has demonstrated the ability to shape the media narrative for his own nefarious purposes.

For example, when the term “fake news” first gained widespread usage during the 2016 campaign, it most often referred to anti-Hillary, pro-Trump stories planted by non-journalists on social media. Trump, however, has over the past year co-opted the term successfully enough so that, for many, it now primarily refers to mainstream journalists’ supposed anti-Trump bias. Similarly, he has sought to control the narrative about the strong performance of the American economy, and last week’s passage of the rich man’s tax cut is going to be a crucial pivot point in that narrative. The mainstream media and the American people simply cannot allow him to control it the way he has controlled the narrative on fake news.

Throughout his time in the White House, Trump has been obsessed with denigrating the accomplishments of Barack Obama (Think: “Obamacare is imploding”—it isn’t, but who knows what will happen next year as a result of Trump’s repeal of the individual mandate and other steps taken to sabotage the health care law). On the economy, this exchange with Fox News talking head Laura Ingraham from last month stands as representative:





“Are you getting enough credit for all the great things you’ve done?” is, apparently, what a real journalist asks a sitting president. To me, it sounds a lot like state-run media in a Soviet-style dictatorship. Between that and the you-know-what-licking “prayers” being offered at recent Cabinet meetings—Mike Pence’s praise for his boss makes Lucius Malfoy’s brownnosing of Lord Voldemort look like amateur hour—our government is drawing closer and closer to that of North Korea, in appearance at least, but unfortunately not in terms of diplomatic relations.

Comparing the economy under Trump and Obama has also been a regular feature in this theater of the absurd.

Stephanie Grisham
@PressSec






Amazing what happens when you put a businessman instead of a liberal politician in the White House->
http://cnb.cx/2oF9hmK
Dow rises 5,000 points in a year. First time ever



In response to the White House press secretary’s misleading tweet (this is in fact far from the best year in percentage terms for the Dow), former Obama economic adviser Steven Rattner cited the following non-fake data, i.e., the truth.




Steven Rattner
@SteveRattner






Dow in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 29.9%
- Trump: 25.0%

S&P in the first 11 months:
- Obama: 36.9%
- Trump: 18.4% https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/942917780793413632 …


Washington Post fact-checker Nicole Lewis offered a detailed comparison of the economy under Trump thus far and Obama. There’s far too much detail to go into here, but here are some highlights. First, the stock market growth in Trump’s first 10 months doesn’t look nearly as impressive when you learn that it is no better than the market’s performance in peer countries like the UK, Germany, and Japan. This isn’t a Trump bull market, it’s a global one. By comparison, under Obama the U.S. stock market, as measured by the S&P 500, not only tripled over eight years, it significantly outperformed the markets in those same peer countries.


Job growth under Trump lags behind job growth under Obama (in a comparable time period, i.e., February through November) in each of the previous four years, and five out of the last seven years of the Obama presidency. And while we’re on the topic of media narrative, Trump now touts the big drop of about one-half of 1 percent in the unemployment rate since he took office, but while Obama was president he denigrated the unemployment rate as “nonsense.” That’s not surprising given that it fell almost five points during the final five years of the Obama presidency.

Overall, the economy under Trump thus far looks no better by most measures than the economy in the last years under Obama. Furthermore, whereas Trump inherited the strong Obama economy, Obama inherited the Great Recession from George W. Bush—the worst economic crash since the Great Depression. That crash followed years of Republican control of Congress and a round of tax cuts whose benefits flowed mostly to the wealthy (sound familiar?). Until the passage of the Trump tax scheme, there were no significant changes to the economic policies put in place during the Obama presidency—policies that brought our economy out of the Great Recession and which have given us the longest lasting period of job growth in our history. As John Cassidy at the New Yorker put it, Obama gave Trump:



Trump’s comments above about his tax scheme and “rocket fuel” make clear that he will go even further than he has so far in claiming credit for anything good happening in the economy. He and his right-wing minions have in fact begun doing so. Here’s a headline from the Conservative Review: “The Trump tax cuts are ALREADY raising wages” (all-caps makes it much more convincing, doesn’t it?). Don’t buy it. As Conor Sen at Bloomberg explained, the rich man’s tax cut is merely the “excuse to raise wages. The tight labor market is the real reason.” And of course the tight labor market reflects years of a strong economy bequeathed to us by none other than President Barack Obama. Don’t let Donald Trump steal the credit.


How many years will you misplace credit Obama sucked
 
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