Wake Up, America! Wake Up! PLEASE!!

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@MacNfries as you know there are true dictators out there that actually ******* those that oppose them like Kim Jung-Un and maybe to a lesser extent MrPutin unless you really piss him off enough just like Litvinenko did where he was poisoned by radioactive Polonium. I know America you can get many things but I don't know if you can buy it at a 7/11? But getting back to Kim Jung-Un he had his half-brother murdered ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam ), he had his uncle killed by being ripped apart by dogs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Song-thaek ),
he had his Minister for Education killed in 2016 arrested and executed in 2016 just for having a bad attitude ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Yong-jin_(politician) ), and he incinerated his cousin alive by flamethrower for supporting the uncle Kim Jung-Un killed ( also in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jang_Song-thaek ), other murders he committed are listed here ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_officials_purged_and_executed_by_Kim_Jong-un ).

If Donald Trump was 1/100th the dictator you say he is where are all the people he killed in the same fashion as Kim Jung-Un or MrPutin? Moreover Kim Jung-Un had one case where he killed his Minister of Education for having a bad attitude. So if Trump were the same way and with the power of being the POTUS why are you so openly defying Trump? Maybe you might be in a secret underground bunker nearby @subhub174014 's bunker ? If so, I hope your IP address is untrackable. Because if Trump was just like Kim Jung-Un why is it you still draw breath each day? If you were North Korean openly defying Kim Jung-Un you would not be alive very long as the Secret Assassination Team will have you killed ! Therefore I say Trump is not a dictator, unless your definition of a dictator is softer than Kim Jung-Un maybe?

On another note pointed to @Drillher4me what evidence, if any, could anyone produce that could "verify" the fact that Trump is not a racist? Or at least stun you to a degree to make you think otherwise? For me it would have to be if Melania, or his ex-wives, any of his c.hildren ( or Barron when he comes of age ) writes a tell all book after the fact detailing how Donald Trump was a racist and how he got away with it. What would make you question your position?

My Evidence
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Anyone who requires and/or seeks further proof that Mr. Donald Trump is a racist would undoubtedly also require further proof that the world round and not flat!
 
The polls are a snapshot like the weather report as it could change for Trump's favour before November 2020. And the only ways that can truly stop Russian interference is going back to the Pony Express counting hundreds of millions of chads. And I don't think America would do that short of a Carrington-like event that would trash the electrical grids and the Internet @subhub174014



not hardly...….your polls are by a selected few that seem to be on that thread several times......very small majority of the people...even the ones on this site
 
and you don't suppose there is a reason he refuses to stop the Russian meddling do you?

no way can he win it on his own...his approval...still at 40%....in case you don't get that it means that 60% doesn't like him

Correction - it means 60% don’t admit to liking him ;}

In some polls now President Trump was approaching the 50% mark in his approval rating.
 
Anyone who requires and/or seeks further proof that Mr. Donald Trump is a racist would undoubtedly also require further proof that the world round and not flat!

According to your ilk - anyone that doesn’t agree with your political view point - inevitably ends up being labeled a racist.

It’s REALLY losing it’s impact from you liberals using it SO much.
 
People are hired because they can do a job. There are easily thousands of people who are ****** to work with each other because they make effective teams yet they loathe each other @subhub174014



true...…...doesn't mean he likes them......look at all the immigrants he had working for him for years......just fired them last year...he says a lot just to get his support from his KKK followers

but it would seem they don't like the way they are treated.....don't suppose that racism is showing do you
 
From Mueller's sworn testimony:
COLLINS: At any time in the investigation, was your investigation curtailed or stopped or hindered?
MUELLER: No.

Now per your standard, Hillary most certainly was a dictator as she clearly obstructed investigations, having hard drives destroyed which contained evidence under subpoena.


There's a LONG history of presidents ridiculing judges. It doesn't make them dictators. It makes them people who express their opinions as is their guaranteed right under the first amendment.

Calling the media names doesn't make one a dictator. This has happened as long as there has been media. It makes them people who express their opinions as is their guaranteed right under the first amendment.
Please show one actual act (not liberal hyperbole from VOX) where Trump has actually restricted Social Media

Please give just one example of what the president could do to actually change libel law (without an act of Congress to sign) Maybe just give us one example (US Code citation) of the Federal government's libel law you think he might change.....

See above....the President like everyone has first amendment rights. However, this does allude to what may be the real reason you hate President Trump so....He's trying to "tuk your juuubb" calling people 3rd grade names!
I was going to do this exact same retort to Mac. You beat me to it. Well done!
 
Republicans Don’t Like Donald Trump As Much As They Used To
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-dont-like-donald-trump-as-much-as...
Oct 02, 2015 · Republicans Don’t Like Donald Trump As Much As They Used To. Trump has 22 percent in the Huffington Post Pollster aggregate of live-interview national primary polls, which is down from 28 percent at the beginning of September. And it’s hard not to see the debate as a turning point for Trump. Every live-interview poll conducted in September...

There are fewer Republicans for Donald Trump than you ...
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Aug 04, 2018 · Donald Trump is wildly popular among Republicans. A recent PRRI poll puts support for the president among members of his party at 80%. That large share of Republicans, however, makes up

Poll: even Republicans think congressional leaders are ...
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Oct 15, 2017 · According to a CBS News poll, 39 percent of Republicans believe congressional Republicans don’t like the president and are actively working to undermine him. Another 37 percent
 
According to your ilk - anyone that doesn’t agree with your political view point - inevitably ends up being labeled a racist.

It’s REALLY losing it’s impact from you liberals using it SO much.
What's worse "blkdlaur" is when one has to recognize the fact that there are more than just a few out there who suffer constipation of the brain and are totally incapable of thinking for themselves! Logic is definately not one of their strong points, if it exists within them at all, which is doubtful. Nor is empathy anything they're familiar with. Again, maybe these poor souls deserve some pity rather than criticism, but again, maybe not! As Shakespeare might have had said, "What is an ass but an ass, for all of that and all of that!"
P.S. A short question I had forgotten to ask!
blkdlaur, Did you know you were included with those referenced above?
Sorry about that, I should have had mentioned it sooner!
You have a good day!
 
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true...…...doesn't mean he likes them......look at all the immigrants he had working for him for years......just fired them last year...he says a lot just to get his support from his KKK followers

but it would seem they don't like the way they are treated.....don't suppose that racism is showing do you
Or maybe it was not there to begin with. In a darkened evening with a strategic street lights one could see menacing shadows of threatening creatures that do not really exist. I fear Trump is something similar in your opinion based on all the negative news you are absorbing about him? I wonder how you are able to sleep @subhub174014 knowing that Trump has access to the nuclear launch codes?

Spike Lee made a movie called "BlackkKlansman" that also ties into your beliefs about Trump where a Black man as a police officer, in real life named Ron Stallworth with a Jewish colleague, infiltrated the KKK and met a young David Duke rising in "The Organization". Spike Lee wanting to keep the story accurate so it did not have a young Donald Trump there shaking Duke's hand, but it was suggested that a man like Duke could arise as a president.

Thankfully Trump is not that man otherwise David Duke would be in his inner circle with Ivanka.

 
Or maybe it was not there to begin with. In a darkened evening with a strategic street lights one could see menacing shadows of threatening creatures that do not really exist. I fear Trump is something similar in your opinion based on all the negative news you are absorbing about him? I wonder how you are able to sleep @subhub174014 knowing that Trump has access to the nuclear launch codes?

Spike Lee made a movie called "BlackkKlansman" that also ties into your beliefs about Trump where a Black man as a police officer, in real life named Ron Stallworth with a Jewish colleague, infiltrated the KKK and met a young David Duke rising in "The Organization". Spike Lee wanting to keep the story accurate so it did not have a young Donald Trump there shaking Duke's hand, but it was suggested that a man like Duke could arise as a president.

Thankfully Trump is not that man otherwise David Duke would be in his inner circle with Ivanka.




liptard....someone who profess a lot with no real meaning or facts!
from subhub's dictionary for mind fucked people



Donald Trump Can’t Disavow the KKK Because It Might Demoralize His Base

Let us dispel with the notion that Donald Trump doesn’t know who David Duke and the KKK are. In 2000, Trump briefly flirted with running for president on the Reform Party ticket, but concluded that the party was too full of extremists. Among them were David Duke, the Louisiana politician and former Grand Wizard of the KKK, right-wing populist Pat Buchannan, and all-purpose fringe figure Lenora Fulani.

“The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani,” the New York Times quoted Trump saying in a statement. “This is not company I wish to keep.”

How things have changed! On Sunday morning, CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Trump to disavow Duke’s support for his current presidential bid. “I know nothing about David Duke,” Trump replied. “I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you’re asking me a question that I’m supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.”

Tapper kept pressing him, but Trump refused to say a negative word about either Duke or the KKK. “I don’t know what group you are talking about, you wouldn’t want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about; I’d have to look,” Trump said. “If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them and certainly I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong, but …”

Tapper interjected, “The Ku Klux Klan?”

Trump continued, “You may have groups in there that are totally fine and it would be very unfair. So give me a list of the groups, and I’ll let you know.”

“OK, I mean I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but,” said Tapper.

“I don’t know any—honestly I don’t know David Duke,” replied Trump. “I don’t believe I’ve ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him, and I just don’t know anything about him.”

What’s interesting here is not that Trump is lying, but why he is lying. For most politicians, rejecting the KKK is not a hard call. Trump, however, seems to suspect that doing so will demoralize his base. Given how much white nationalist support he has, he might be right.

 
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David Duke and Donald Trump and the long ties of history

What happened in Charlottesville didn't start with Donald Trump.

It didn't start with David Duke either, but there's a long, durable thread from Duke to Trump that's worth thinking about.

Despite his dubious Twitter profile claim to be "one of 100 most read and quoted people in the world," Duke may be an obscure character to many people these days.

But his dying fame has flickered back to life in the Trump era, and there he was on Saturday in Virginia, in the thick of the white nationalist protesters, talking to the media.




"This represents a turning point for the people of this country," he said, shortly before the protest turned violent. "We are determined to take our country back, we're going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump, and that's what we believed in, that's why we voted for Donald Trump."


Duke is 67, older than his surgically rejuvenated face and his beefcake Twitter photo suggest, no longer the jaunty young Hitler wannabe I first met at a Mardi Gras parade in 1989.

On that long-ago Tuesday, Duke was in Metairie, a suburb of New Orleans, campaigning for a seat in the state legislature. Metairie was almost entirely white, filled with people who fled New Orleans when the schools were integrated. I was covering the South for the Tribune.

As Duke marched — past the flirty women, the awestruck boys and the men who clapped him on the back — he tossed doubloons inscribed with his campaign message: "Equal Rights for All. Special Privilege for None. The Courage to Be Different."

His campaign had roiled Louisiana, where the economy was depressed and white people's fear of black people ran deep, but he was barely known in Chicago or much anywhere else. The story I wrote for the Tribune, the first time he rated more than a mention, ran on page 23.

A few days later, Duke won the race. That story — about the former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard who had been a Republican for only a few weeks — ran on page one.

Reading those old stories the other day, after a white nationalist drove a car into a crowd of Charlottesville counterprotesters and killed a woman, I was struck by how similar Duke's surprise rise was to Trump's a generation later.

In 1989, there was no Breitbart News, no Fox News Channel, no Drudge Report. The word "alt-right" hadn't been invented. And yet the old stories on Duke sound thoroughly contemporary.

"We've finally found somebody who's brave enough to say what everybody thinks but won't say," one Duke supporter said at the Mardi Gras parade.

Sound familiar?

"What you have here," a New Orleans political scientist told me, predicting a trend that would extend well beyond the South, "is the roots of fascism as we know it — the middle class and lower middle class besieged by difficult economic conditions, people who are finding their skills made obsolete by computers, people having trouble paying for college for their *******."

Sound familiar?

Some people fretted that Duke's election would be fodder for "Saturday Night Live."

A lot has changed since then, and Trump and Duke aren't the same guy. Trump is rich and powerful. Duke is neither. Trump tries to downplay his debt to white nationalists. Duke has proudly built his life on being one.

And yet the two men, like the eras that enabled them, have a lot in common.

Both were Republican interlopers, both repudiated by the party's mainstream, a rejection that turned into an advantage. Both exhibit a grandiosity they seem to confuse with greatness. Both have built their power by exploiting racial fears and economic insecurity.

A lot has changed since then, and Trump and Duke aren't the same guy. Trump is rich and powerful. Duke is neither. Trump tries to downplay his debt to white nationalists. Duke has proudly built his life on being one.

And yet the two men, like the eras that enabled them, have a lot in common.

Both were Republican interlopers, both repudiated by the party's mainstream, a rejection that turned into an advantage. Both exhibit a grandiosity they seem to confuse with greatness. Both have built their power by exploiting racial fears and economic insecurity.

Duke, who long ago traded his white KKK robe for a stylish dark suit, was a pioneer in the modern art of whitewashing white nationalism. Trump benefits from the generation he helped cultivate.

After that Mardi Gras parade, I drove with Duke to his white frame home — he was an erratic driver — and sat in his cluttered basement, next to books on Adolf Hitler and the Klan, while he explained his theories on race and the persecution of white people.

He said he didn't think black people were inferior. They just have their own kind of music. They're better than whites at many sports. They don't do as well on IQ tests.

A week later, he was elected.

Duke's political career quickly fizzled, but he kept his brand going long enough to help elect the current president. Even if he takes more credit for that than he deserves, and though Trump tries to distance himself, the lineage is real.

On Tuesday, after Trump stirred another storm by saying agitators on the left were also responsible for the violence in Charlottesville, Duke's approving tweet made the rounds of the mainstream media:

"Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville."




Trump again blames 'both sides' for Charlottesville violence


Aug 15, 2017 | 8:45 PM



Racial fear and bigotry are baked into our history, transferred through generations by people who cling to a misbegotten view of honesty, courage and truth.

But the resistance to those views is strong and loud, filled with people, young and old, of various skin colors, who know better. Many of them were in Charlottesville too, and because of them we can believe that what happened there Saturday wasn't a move backward.

It was a display of what it looks like to move forward, angrily and hopefully, lugging the past with us.

mschmich@chicagotribune.com
 
liptard....someone who profess a lot with no real meaning or facts!
liptard? That's a new insult @subhub174014. I will stay on the high road where I will refuse to insult the opponents who I debate over 3 years with. It is like chess where you opt to insult your opponent who has pieces colored differently than yours but the have the exact same power as yours do. Only difference is with the skill level of one who moves them. Our original debate started with someone who now prefers to now remain nameless. On his thread all I did was to suggest Trump would not only see the end of his term, which he is on track doing so as there is 15 months before the election in 2020, but he will be re-elected which is something astonishing where even you confessed not too long ago @subhub174014 here:


Instead that poll then initially only had options for Trump to survive only his first, second, or 3 years into his first term. And I was heavily criticized and eviscerated for my view that is coming to manifest into reality after each day Trump serves as POTUS.

Now we are debating aspects of Trump's legacy. Is he stupid? Was he racist? And so on. In the meantime I await the equivalent of a "Trump's America" (just like Dinesh D'Souza wrote Hillary's America) to be written so I can see behind the scenes after the fact during Trump's presidency if Trump was either a hero or a zero. Perhaps you could write such a book @subhub174014 as you do have several arguments already? It is clear where you stand, but I am convinced there are additional silenced voices out there like Robert L. Johnson, Dr. Alveda King, and Reverend Darrell Smith that have unrecognized unmentioned stories where the might have golfed with Trump, perhaps spent time with Trump at Mar-a-lago or wherever else?
 
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The definition of dictator.

1a : a person granted absolute emergency power especially, history : one appointed by the senate (see senate sense 1a) of ancient Rome
b : one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power
c : one ruling in an absolute (see absolute sense 2) and often oppressive way fascist dictators

I think Mac and a couple others need to use this widely accepted definition and tell all of us how Trump fits into it. We are waiting and the crickets are already chirping.
 
The definition of dictator.

1a : a person granted absolute emergency power especially, history : one appointed by the senate (see senate sense 1a) of ancient Rome
b : one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power
c : one ruling in an absolute (see absolute sense 2) and often oppressive way fascist dictators

I think Mac and a couple others need to use this widely accepted definition and tell all of us how Trump fits into it. We are waiting and the crickets are already chirping.
Agreed @syscom3, if Trump truly is a dictator he would desire the death of @subhub174014 but I don't think he lives an itinerant lifestyle moving from place to place fleeing from Trump's Secret Assassination Police being a critic of Ze Fuhrer Trump? Instead he appears to be comfortably situated wherever he lives in America. Dispelling the belief Trump is a dictator.
 
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