If you let men suck your dick, you's gay, not a bull

Who made you the boss? A bull can be bi and still be a bull. You trying to ignore something about yourself by trying to tell everyone the rules (as you see it)? I sure as hell ain’t going to live my life by arbitrary rules set forth by some clown on the I internet. Live and let live man.
Nobody cares how you or the other numbskulls on here who could barely read and understand jack thinks. Who are any of you for a perfect stranger on the net to care about what you do privately? Duh. Suck dick all day long, or if you are a bull let men suck yours and keep thinking you are straight. Your delusion that no one cares about once you keep it to your fellow straight cock sucking and receiving selves. Get it right, nobody on this end cares what you do. Who are you anyway?
 
Get it right, nobody on this end cares what you do. Who are you anyway?
Is that why you started the thread? Because you don't care? That makes sense. I'm always starting instigating threads about stuff I don't care or spend any time thinking about. You sure make a lot of noise about who is or isn't gay, for a dude who doesn't care.
 
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A lot of guys on this tread are saying they have had a dwindling sex life because of more and more gay/bi attitudes, well for us the first thing we judge a potential Bull on is his ability to string a sentence together, correct spelling, grammer and punctuation!

incoherent, incomprehensible babble for the most part here!
Sounds very racist and hella gay.
 
Dudes who sucked dick in the "heat of the moment" and the "Bulls" getting their dicks sucked because they thought it made them alpha realizing that they've been gay this whole time
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All this cuck ******* is gay gay gay.

That’s why girls gotta ask if you’re cool to do it. I always say “no.”
 
I doubt very much there are any GAY men here. I believe they have much better resources than a site for couples like us. I have been cuckold for almost 4 decades and recently sucked my first black ALPHA BULLS load and I can tell you for sure I am not gay but I am a sincere and genuine submissive cuckold like 95 % or more of the real cuckolds on this web site are.
Lotta gay dudes in denial on here.

Nothing wrong with being gay but being gay and denying it or calling yourself “straight” is dishonest to say the least.
 
Lotta gay dudes in denial on here.

Nothing wrong with being gay but being gay and denying it or calling yourself “straight” is dishonest to say the least.
You were right about having any talk with them is a waste of time. Now I know all I need to know, and to be very wary of who I may meet going forward. I got the initial question I asked in my OP answered.

Based on their responses, clearly this lifestyle is full of men who suck other men's cocks, and who knows what else, and as far as they are concerned, they are straight. Or, men who know very well what they are, gay as a lark, or bi, but they are sneaky or in denial about it.

Question answered.

Sucking cock but because it's done in a setting with a wife where a bull dominates the couple, they're straight. Sure. Right on. Now I know better. And, by the way, the receivers of the cock sucking, there were a few here, are straight too. Good for them.
 
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You were right about having any talk with them is a waste of time. Now I know all I need to know, and to be very wary of who I may meet going forward. I got the initial question I asked in my OP answered.

Based on their responses, clearly this lifestyle is full of men who suck men's cocks, and who knows what else, and as far as they are concerned, they are straight. Or, men who know very well what they are, gay as a lark, or bi, but they are sneaky about it.

Question answered.

Sucking cock but because it's done in a setting with a wife where a bull dominates the couple, they're straight. Sure. Right on. Now I know better. And, by the way, the receivers of the cock sucking, there were a few here, are straight too. Good for them.
At least there was an "or bi" thrown in there. That's a tiny bit of progress, but progress nonetheless.
 
It is true often and is why many are successful here. As I was just stating in another post it is one of the main reasons I haven't been as successful online in past few years is that most couples want Bi males. I am not and have to turn down many and just eliminate many because of this.

I had never considered that before, that I'm not as successful finding couples because I'm not bi. Explains a lot
 
This thread feels like the equivalent of "If you eat yellow Starburst you're gay"🤣
Alot Little Dick Energy here man.
What's very GAY is worrying about what another man is doing in his sheets. Worry about yourself

No it's not about eating a Starburst makes you Gay. It is about if you play with another male including giving or receiving oral, giving or receiving a hand job, giving or receiving penetration, kissing another guy, caressing or being caressed by another guy intentionally all make you Bi or secretly Gay.
 
I'm interested in why it matters to you that the word gay be included. I'm with you on deception. People need to be honest about what they want. But you seem to be of the opinion that people can't be both dominant and bi, or both alpha and gay.

The reason many see the power play role as "not gay" is that the men don't seek each other out as play partners. In many cases, there is ZERO sexual attraction. In these cases, the bull wouldn't let the man suck him off alone. If he wasn't doing it as part of some power play, to show dominance and/or make a fantasy happen for the wife and submissive, he wouldn't do it at all. I've heard one prominent bull (who, like it or not, is a respected voice in the cuckold lifestyle) describe it on podcasts like this:

"Some bulls will do it as a show if dominance and power exchange, but she has to be a part of it. She better not get up and go to the bathroom. When the woman isn't there, it becomes something else and that kind of play stops."

In BDSM and power play, hierarchy, obedience, etc. can trump things like sexual attraction. It's not always about deception. Some of these people aren't hiding anything. Many are very upfront about not specifically looking for male-on-male contact, but being willing to explore certain things in a dominance/submission context. They're not in the closet or in denial, they are describing the way they think and feel about their own experiences.

It's clear that YOU consider a man gay if he says, "come here and suck this dick, cuck. Get it nice and hard. I'm gonna use it to fuck your wife's white pussy, the way she's been wanting to get fucked for a long time. This big dick is going in that woman over there, and you're not going to stop me, are you?" It's absolutely fine if that's something you're not into, and you can call it whatever you want to call it. But clearly, there are people here who consider it less about a label. In a lot of cases, the reason it's something people want to try is specifically BECAUSE they are not attracted to other men. What they are looking for is taking a submissive concensually outside their own comfort zone. "I know you don't WANT to suck cock, but your Queen just told you to. You're not going to disobey her, are you?" It's no different from letting yourself be strapped to a bench and spanked or flogged. The idea isn't that you like all pain. It's that it's exciting to sustain discomfort at the hands of someone else as an act of submission.

Obviously, consent needs to be discussed. People's limits need to be known before play ever starts, and respected. If someone says they don't want any male-on-male contact of any kind, that should be enough to tell ALL INVOLVED, be they top or bottom, Dom or sub, male or female, that there's a hard line in the sand that won't be crossed. It's not a thing you can try again in the moment. It's off the table, just like any other hard limit.

Is a man sucking another man's cock an act of bisexuality? Absolutely. So it's fine if that's all it takes to make someone "gay" in your eyes. But I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplishing by making sure others know that about you. What difference does it make to try to correct someone, who just told you that to them it's more about power, to make damn sure they know that YOU think that's "gay power?"

TL;DR: not all who say, "I'm not gay but..." are in denial or being sneaky. Some just disagree with you about the nuances of an activity you are obviously aren't into and don't want to understand.

As to your making an issue of those not using the term Bi instead of Gay I would say there are instances where someone is truly Bi. But in all honesty I do not believe most of these men are not truly Bi. Even if they are intimate with females often or occassionally. It is just a way to hide who they truly are as many Gay men have girlfriends, wives and ******* only because of family and societal pressures and stigma. The men were raised to be men and in their heads and most in society being Gay isn't real manly. Though this is a topic for another discussion.

The men using the excuse they are doing this to show their dominance is bull *******. It is because both guys enjoy guys period and are probably closeted gay. Some might be truly Bi but who knows. What says dominance more than being intimate with a wife or girlfriend in front of the boyfriend or husband especially if they aren't allowed to be with the girlfriend or wife ever.
 
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A lot of guys on this tread are saying they have had a dwindling sex life because of more and more gay/bi attitudes, well for us the first thing we judge a potential Bull on is his ability to string a sentence together, correct spelling, grammer and punctuation!

incoherent, incomprehensible babble for the most part here!

It isn't just grammer spelled incorrectly. Tread is supposed to be Thread.

In addition when you said, "incoherent, incomprehensible babble for the most part here!"
is not a complete sentence.

But really people are digging when it comes to worrying about minor spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes. I can see if every sentence has issues but if only a few mistakes they can be due to rushing, autocorrect, being tired, or just making a simple mistake.

I doubt to many are worried about grammar on these sites especially when it comes to choosing men most are only focused on if they are straight/bi, their skin complexion being to light or to dark, size of the penis, and a few actually care about the male being attractive. But overall so many are going with unattractive males that this is obviously not the main concern as can be seen in so many amateur interracial videos and photos shared.
 
It's so strange. I've never seen someone run around calling women who live straight lives but maybe experimented a few times in college "dykes" or "lesbos." What is the goal or point of calling otherwise straight men who experiment "homos?"

I would call the women Bi unless they really do prefer or want women but do not pursue only because of family and societal pressures and stigma. As most were raised with their parents wanting to see their ******* eventually married to a man and having a family. Many women are Gay but hiding it also.
 
I had never considered that before, that I'm not as successful finding couples because I'm not bi. Explains a lot

You can test my theory here and other similar sites by creating a fake profile in which you say you are Bi. Then see how many contact you.
 
I would call the women Bi unless they really do prefer or want women but do not pursue only because of family and societal pressures and stigma. As most were raised with their parents wanting to see their ******* eventually married to a man and having a family. Many women are Gay but hiding it also.
This is what I mean, though. People will call women bi, but for men, it's gay. Page after page of idiotic homophobic nonsense talking about how "Gaaaaaaay" a guy is if he experiments. The comment to which I was replying was, "then dude you are a homo." Someone who's bi is bi, not a "homo."

Heterosexual means sexual attraction to the opposite sex, homosexual means sexual attraction to the same sex, and bisexual means sexual attraction to both sexes. And bisexuality is a spectrum. By this I mean it doesn't mean equal parts gay and straight. Virtually EVERY respected source of sexual research has acknowledged that not all people who've had same-sex experiences have the same level of attraction to both sexes. Kinsey's scale is a good, easy-to-understand example for reference. It expresses the spectrum like this:

0 - Exclusively heterosexual
1 - Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 - Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 - Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 - Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 - Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 - Exclusively homosexual

So when someone says, "I'm not gay, but a couple times I've had a woman's husband suck me off," guess what? HE'S NOT GAY. He's like a 1 on Kinsey's scale. If it becomes a repeated thing and he finds he enjoys it more than just incidentally, he's perhaps a 2, which is more solidly bisexual but still closer to straight than gay.

The reason I think this is an important distinction to make is that the people who start threads like this always say ******* like, "I don't care what you do behind closed doors, but you're gay." Sometimes they'll follow it up with something like, "not that there's anything wrong with that." But if there's nothing wrong with it, then why make a big deal about it in the first place? Why not acknowledge that different people have different desires and orientations, and leave it at that? People acknowledge that women are "maybe a little bit bi," if they have some attraction or willingness to experiment with both sexes, and they leave them the fuck alone about it. But men? They try something once and they're 100% gay? That's fucking ridiculous. If they try fucking a woman after that, are they 100% straight? Nope. Still gay. "Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm gonna label you (incorrectly) for the rest of your life, for being open to a type of experience in certain situations that I would never do. I'll be over here hollering about what you are (which is gay) and aren't (which is straight or bi or bi-curious or whatever), but don't worry, I totally don't care that you're doing it."

And THEN, these same motherfuckers are like, "they're fucking sneaky about it!" Well, I'll grant you, people shouldn't be deceptive. I've acknowledged that in practically every one of my replies here. But, wanna know the best way to make people stop feeling like they need to be sneaky about something like that? REMOVE THE FUCKING STIGMA! Stop trying to plaster permanent labels on people, calling their masculinity into question, refusing to listen when they talk about how they identify, etc. Validate them when they say, "I've always been straight, but recently started having urges to try this particular thing with a particular kind of man." Try saying something like, "cool, I hope you enjoy it. I'm not your guy, but I hope you find him." Or, if it doesn't directly involve you, but you still can't say something validating and kind, consider exercising your right to remain silent. No peanut gallery shouting "GAY" is needed. If dudes weren't blasted with insults for wanting to try something, they'd have no reason to hide their desires.

I'm as open, honest, and straight-forward as I can possibly be about this. I'm not attracted to men, but my wife thinks it's hot watching me service her bulls when they're into it, and I'm turned on by her dominance, obeying her as her submissive, and doing things that are taboo and/or outside my normal comfort zone, when she (or the person she's told me to obey) is in charge. So, I'm about a 1 on Kinsey's scale. I consider myself predominantly straight, with incidental same-sex tendencies. I am not in denial about it. I am not hiding anything. I am not trying to deceive anyone. I have never tried to convince a man who told me or my wife that he was strictly straight to have any kind of sexual contact with me. Most of her bulls lately have only been interested in sexual contact with her, and and we all get along fine. But to hear people on here talk, I'm GAY GAY GAY!

Well, fine. Call me gay. I truly don't give a fuck, because unlike those slapping the label on me, I truly believe there's nothing wrong with people who actually are gay. But don't also whine about how sneaky bi or bi-curious guys are. They wouldn't be, if narrow-minded, homophobic simpletons didn't start a new thread like this one every few days.
 
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The thread was supposedly started because of anger over deception…that some cucks hide their intentions and that bothers some bulls. Probably most of the men who are strictly opposed to any male on male contact. Fair enough. And I agree with that sentiment. But I think after reading all 7 pages including some of the hostile, one word replies and sort of childish condescending replies, the real intention was to simply degrade or shame men that the poster believes to be gay. Like a power trip for a gay man in denial. In my life experience, and this has proven to be ALWAYS true from where I’m standing, those attempting to shame or degrade or condescend are actually gay themselves and are full of self loathing over that fact. The rest of us don’t care enough one way or the other to bother. A black woman once told me down low gay is a big thing in the black community and those particular men try to hide it by talking ******* and attempting to shame others. Shakespeare wrote “The lady doth protest too much me thinks” in Hamlet. I think the shoe is fitting in a few instances around here.
 
This what I mean, though. People will call women bi, but for men, it's gay. Page after page of idiotic homophobic nonsense talking about how "Gaaaaaaay" a guy is if he experiments. The comment to which I was replying was, "then dude you are a homo." Someone who's bi is bi, not a "homo."

Heterosexual means sexual attraction to the opposite sex, homosexual means sexual attraction to the same sex, and bisexual means sexual attraction to both sexes. And bisexuality is a spectrum. By this I mean it doesn't mean equal parts gay and straight. Virtually EVERY respected source of sexual research has acknowledged that not all people who've had same-sex experiences have the same level of attraction to both sexes. Kinsey's scale is a good, easy-to-understand example for reference. It expresses the spectrum like this:

0 - Exclusively heterosexual
1 - Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 - Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 - Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 - Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 - Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 - Exclusively homosexual

So when someone says, "I'm not gay, but a couple times I've had a woman's husband suck me off," guess what? HE'S NOT GAY. He's like a 1 on Kinsey's scale. If it becomes a repeated thing and he finds he enjoys it more than just incidentally, he's perhaps a 2, which is more solidly bisexual but still closer to straight than gay.

The reason I think this is an important distinction to make is that the people who start threads like this always say ******* like, "I don't care what you do behind closed doors, but you're gay." Sometimes they'll follow it up with something like, "not that there's anything wrong with that." But if there's nothing wrong with it, then why make a big deal about it in the first place? Why not acknowledge that different people have different desires and orientations, and leave it at that? People acknowledge that women are bi, to some degree, if they have some attraction to both sexes, and they leave them the fuck alone about it. But men? They try something once and they're 100% gay? That's fucking ridiculous. If they try fucking a woman after that, are they 100% straight? Nope. Still gay. "Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I'm gonna label you (incorrectly) for the rest of your life, for being open to a type of experience in certain situations that I would never do. I'll be over here hollering about what you are (which is gay) and aren't (which is straight or bi or bi-curious or whatever), but don't worry, I totally don't care that you're doing it."

And THEN, these same motherfuckers are like, "they're fucking sneaky about it!" Well, I'll grant you, people shouldn't be deceptive. I've acknowledged that in practically every one of my replies here. But, wanna know the best way to make people stop feeling like they need to be sneaky about something like that? REMOVE THE FUCKING STIGMA! Stop trying to plaster permanent labels on people, calling their masculinity into question, refusing to listen when they talk about how they identify, etc. Validate them when they say, "I've always been straight, but recently started having urges to try this particular thing with a particular kind of man." Try saying something like, "cool, I hope you enjoy it. I'm not your guy, but I hope you find him." Or, if it doesn't directly involve you, but you still can't say something validating and kind, consider exercising your right to remain silent. No peanut gallery shouting "GAY" is needed. If dudes weren't blasted with insults for wanting to try something, they'd have no reason to hide their desires.

I'm as open, honest, and straight-forward as I can possibly be about this. I'm not attracted to men, but my wife thinks it's hot watching me service her bulls when they're into it, and I'm turned on by her dominance, obeying her as her submissive, and doing things that are taboo and/or outside my normal comfort zone. I'm about a 1 on Kinsey's scale. I consider myself predominantly straight, with incidental same-sex tendencies. I am not in denial. I am not hiding anything. I am not trying to deceive anyone. I have never tried to convince a man who told either my wife or I that he was strictly straight to have any kind of sexual contact with me. Most of her bulls lately have only been interested in sexual contact with her, and and we all get along fine. But to hear people on here talk, I'm GAY GAY GAY!

Well, fine. Call me gay. I truly don't give a fuck, because unlike those slapping the label on me, I truly believe there's nothing wrong with people who actually are gay. But don't also whine about how sneaky bi-curious guys are. They wouldn't be, if narrow-minded, homophobic simpletons didn't start a new thread like this one every few days.

I haven't read your whole reply. However I already explained my point of view with stating many say they are Bi when they are closeted Gay. They only are using the female being present as a crutch.

I did state women are Gay if they really want women over men. Many women are closeted also. You actually brought up another key point in lifestyle when the couples have female halves that aren't interested in single males. This is more than likely because they are closeted Gay also. If female half were truly Bi they wouldn't limit themselves to women only. In the lifestyle though we see actually the majority of couples and single females actually not open to males at least not straight males. So it tends to prove most of these females are probably Gay and but claiming to be Bi because they have a husband or boyfriend.

But at least the female halves usually state clearly in profile they aren't interested in males and many state they want a Bi female. Though some do not state women must be Bi and this is wrong also. The Bi female side of this discussion doesn't really matter to the straight males since we are only interested in females that want us. If the Bi females say they aren't interested in single males then at least we aren't wasting time. I do see this stated clearly on lots of profiles.

Also straight guys here has anyone else noticed the females that are part of couples or that are single seeking Bi females are usually more attractive than those seeking males in lifestyle overall. Of course there are exceptions but this has been my general observation.
 
The thread was supposedly started because of anger over deception…that some cucks hide their intentions and that bothers some bulls. Probably most of the men who are strictly opposed to any male on male contact. Fair enough. And I agree with that sentiment. But I think after reading all 7 pages including some of the hostile, one word replies and sort of childish condescending replies, the real intention was to simply degrade or shame men that the poster believes to be gay. Like a power trip for a gay man in denial. In my life experience, and this has proven to be ALWAYS true from where I’m standing, those attempting to shame or degrade or condescend are actually gay themselves and are full of self loathing over that fact. The rest of us don’t care enough one way or the other to bother. A black woman once told me down low gay is a big thing in the black community and those particular men try to hide it by talking ******* and attempting to shame others. Shakespeare wrote “The lady doth protest too much me thinks” in Hamlet. I think the shoe is fitting in a few instances around here.
Of course you are trying to flip it on the straight men. But the wrong is being committed by most of the Bi and Gay males on this site and other sites in the lifestyle that do not state they want Bi males only.

Do not try to flip it on straight males for your wrong doing.
 
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