I am in your camp Kara....and totally agree with you!
Stag Vixen (non-cuckold)
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No disrespect for "cucks"! Cuckolds can be great husbands and lovers. 
As others have said before... no matter what you call it, if your wife/girlfriend gets sexually involved with another man who is not the husband/boyfriend then you are in a cuckold relationship. It's in the definition. Trying to redefine a well-defined term does not help you out of it.
But who wants to further Babel syndrome and why?
You should ask the same questions on the Cuckold thread.
Happily Vixen here some of the hotwife things are sexy and we fantasize, but we lean more toward Stag/Vixen lifestyle.
Would someone, anyone please tell what Stag/Vixen means in your opinion and where the differences are to hotwifing! Let's see how many (different) definitions we will get from that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
A Stag/Vixen relationship differs from the Cuckold/Hotwife relationship with respect to humiliation in our opinion.
There are countless threads in this forum outlining how pitiful the husband is, caging his penis, taunting him and disregarding his feelings, either by the wife, the Bull or both. This, to us, is a Cuckold/Hotwife relationship. There isn't anything wrong with it, a lot of people live happily under that construct, but a lot of people don't.
In a Stag/Vixen relationship, the husband/wife are more of a team. There isn't any humiliation. There aren't any cages. His feelings are respected and adhered to. The Stag and Vixen discuss and map out rules and levels of participation together (will the Stag be present or not? If so, will the Stag participate or not?). In a Stag/Vixen you wouldn't see the wife announcing that she is going out on a date that evening, leaving the husband alone. Instead the 'date' would be planned together and everyone would be aware long before it happened.
There is a hierarchy of relationships, each with its own subset.
You have traditional relationships and open relationships
Within open relationships you have swingers and situations where the woman plays and man doesn't
When the woman plays, it's further divided into Cuckold/Hotwife or Stag/Vixen
Language is constantly evolving. So is this lifestyle. To adhere to a single definition to describe anything is not fully understanding the concept. For example; a few years ago (just a few years ago) if you looked at a homosexual person, they were queer. Then along came gay and lesbian. Now we have LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is. Nothing is static, least of all language.
There are countless threads in this forum outlining how pitiful the husband is, caging his penis, taunting him and disregarding his feelings, either by the wife, the Bull or both. This, to us, is a Cuckold/Hotwife relationship. There isn't anything wrong with it, a lot of people live happily under that construct, but a lot of people don't.
In a Stag/Vixen relationship, the husband/wife are more of a team. There isn't any humiliation. There aren't any cages. His feelings are respected and adhered to. The Stag and Vixen discuss and map out rules and levels of participation together (will the Stag be present or not? If so, will the Stag participate or not?). In a Stag/Vixen you wouldn't see the wife announcing that she is going out on a date that evening, leaving the husband alone. Instead the 'date' would be planned together and everyone would be aware long before it happened.
There is a hierarchy of relationships, each with its own subset.
You have traditional relationships and open relationships
Within open relationships you have swingers and situations where the woman plays and man doesn't
When the woman plays, it's further divided into Cuckold/Hotwife or Stag/Vixen
Language is constantly evolving. So is this lifestyle. To adhere to a single definition to describe anything is not fully understanding the concept. For example; a few years ago (just a few years ago) if you looked at a homosexual person, they were queer. Then along came gay and lesbian. Now we have LGBTQ or whatever the acronym is. Nothing is static, least of all language.
My Sub-Slut and I have probably been calling her husband a cuckold incorrectly. Stag/Vixen is much more appropriate. I know he loves to here her stories and see the limited photos I send, and though we have all been to dinner together I have never let him watch our game play. I have sent her home with what I would call normal post game bumps and bruises, hickies, and such, which she has indicated very much enhances their sex life. My protege has played in front of her husband and gave no indication that he wanted to do anything but watch the games, no cream pie eating or desire to clean up, though the sub did say that she has squeezed out some rather large saved loads on him to use as lube that they both enjoyed???
What am i supposed to call myself then? A wannabe Stag maybe? iDK but i don't think any label would fit.
I’ve been following this thread a little while and I wanted to throw my two cents in. I am a cuckoldress in a female lead relationship. I’ve seen a lot of insightful comments here about the difference between Stag/Vixen/Hotwife and Cuckold couples. There are a few similarities and quite a few differences. I don’t want to get to deep into role labeling here because, as someone already mentioned, labels do not always neatly define relationship dynamics. My favorite definition of the difference between a hotwife couple (stag/vixen) and a cuckold couple comes from prolific bull and host of the Keys and Anklets podcast Michael C, @Idowives0763 on this site. He simply explains that the difference between a hotwife couple and a cuckold couple is who in the relationship holds the sexual power. In a hotwife/stag/vixen couple, the sexual power (who the wife will sleep with, what kind of play will be involved, etc.) is decided equally among the couple, or perhaps the husband may even make those decisions for the wife. In a cuckold couple, the wife has the majority of the sexual power. All the other elements of cuckoldry (chastity, humiliation, etc.) are simply expressions of that sexual power.
With that being said, I have a ton of respect for stag/vixen couples and I am glad they enjoy their dynamic. I know many very happy hotwife couples. But what I’m confused about is why hotwife couples feel the need to define their dynamic by what they are not doing (I don’t humiliate my husband, I don’t cage him, etc.) instead of what they ARE doing. Someone in this thread said “I would never let my bull humiliate or disrespect my husband.” If humiliation isn’t an element of your dynamic than that’s wonderful for you, but be open enough to understand that other couples can lovingly share in a behavior that isn’t a part of your dynamic.
With that being said, I have a ton of respect for stag/vixen couples and I am glad they enjoy their dynamic. I know many very happy hotwife couples. But what I’m confused about is why hotwife couples feel the need to define their dynamic by what they are not doing (I don’t humiliate my husband, I don’t cage him, etc.) instead of what they ARE doing. Someone in this thread said “I would never let my bull humiliate or disrespect my husband.” If humiliation isn’t an element of your dynamic than that’s wonderful for you, but be open enough to understand that other couples can lovingly share in a behavior that isn’t a part of your dynamic.
I never got into the label thing. My ex (not the one in the the Avatar) and I got together with other people. I never liked being referred to as swingers. We were just a married couple who liked having fun (sexually with other people). Sometimes it was a couple, another girl, or another guy (she was not attracted to black guys). As far as my other wife (in Avatar) fucking BBC, I wasn't or ever felt inferior. I made my wife orgasm every time we fucked. It was the thrill/turn-on of watching MY wife spread her legs and let another man stick his dick in her without question.
MissScarletQOS,
In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head, repeatedly and with great vigor! You go girl! Labels are just that. One shouldn't define herself based upon an arbitrary set of definitions. But I will agree that the definition you provided regarding who holds the sexual power defines the type of relationship is pretty bloody accurate. For us, I'd like to think that we're partners in this. I get something (the excitement of being with a Black) and he gets something (the excitement of watching me while a Black is having me). However, that being said, I don't know who holds the actual 'power' so to speak. Again, I'll say that we're partners - probably because I lack the understanding to more clearly define it.
Thank you so very much for 'adding your two cents' to this discussion. I found it insightful and informative.
Warmest Regards
Donna
In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head, repeatedly and with great vigor! You go girl! Labels are just that. One shouldn't define herself based upon an arbitrary set of definitions. But I will agree that the definition you provided regarding who holds the sexual power defines the type of relationship is pretty bloody accurate. For us, I'd like to think that we're partners in this. I get something (the excitement of being with a Black) and he gets something (the excitement of watching me while a Black is having me). However, that being said, I don't know who holds the actual 'power' so to speak. Again, I'll say that we're partners - probably because I lack the understanding to more clearly define it.
Thank you so very much for 'adding your two cents' to this discussion. I found it insightful and informative.
Warmest Regards
Donna
You live the Hotwife lifestyle which is different from an cuckold lifestyle. As long as all parties are happy in their particular roles then that’s all that matters!
we didn't know this difference: we thought that was cuckold watching wife with another man.
Our experience mixes both elements of the cuckold and the stag vixen. for occasional relationships we are definitely in the stag vixen even if my husband strictly prefers to watch.
But we met and had relationships with bulls who brought us more towards in the cuckold, even locking hubby’s cock. Anyway Hubby licks cum from my pussy very rarely, even if I really love when he does it. Not for humiliating him
hubby is the love of my life!
Our experience mixes both elements of the cuckold and the stag vixen. for occasional relationships we are definitely in the stag vixen even if my husband strictly prefers to watch.
But we met and had relationships with bulls who brought us more towards in the cuckold, even locking hubby’s cock. Anyway Hubby licks cum from my pussy very rarely, even if I really love when he does it. Not for humiliating him
hubby is the love of my life!
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