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GOP senator admits new healthcare bill could harm people with preexisting conditions, but says it won't happen
Business Insider Bob Bryan,Business Insider

One of the most hotly debated elements of the newest Republican attempt to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act has come over the bill's protections for people with preexisting conditions.

While the authors of the Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson plan say the bill protects people with preexisting conditions, critics and health policy experts argue that it leaves openings for those people to get charged much more for insurance.

One of the bill's authors, Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, got in a Twitter fight with NPR over the issue.

One GOP senator on Thursday, however, seemed to suggest that the new bill could leave sick Americans worse off. Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a Republican supporter of the Graham-Cassidy bill, said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Thursday that the new plan could allow states to undermine protections for people with preexisting condition. He argued, however, that that wouldn't end up happening.

"There are provisions in there, I've heard it said, that would allow a race to the bottom and states to deny coverage or allow insurance companies to deny coverage [based] on preexisting conditions," Flake said. "If they're able to, de jure, de facto, they won't be able to."

Many policy experts have argued that the waivers created in the Graham-Cassidy bill could allow states to remove some of the regulations that protect people with preexisting conditions under Obamacare — as long as it lowers overall costs.

The legislation includes a line that states must show how their new system "intends to maintain access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions."

The vague language, according to healthcare analysts and industry groups, gives significant leeway to the Department of Health and Human Services and states to determine the definition of "adequate and affordable."

This could, in theory, bring down the overall cost for the system as sicker, more expensive to cover people would effectively be priced out of the system. Lowering the overall costs for insurers would allow them to lower premiums. It would, however, undermine the protections for sick people.

Flake acknowledged that possibility, but said it would never happen because states would not pass a law or request a waiver that included such a provision.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/gop-senator-admits-healthcare-bill-160014682.html

 

[MacNfries]

....The vague language of the Republican's new plan, along with their reluctance to discuss or answer any specifics to the plan, their rush to push this through, and their past failures thus far with practically everything (including healthcare) they've touched under the Trump Administration, says this is a big, fat LOSER, geared simply to free up money for their upcoming tax cut proposal which ALSO has no specifics. The fact that they are even STILL discussing a tax cut after our country experiencing not one, not two, not three, but FOUR devastating hurricanes, says this party is tunnel visioned for a disaster which will affect everyone.
....Their wealthy donors have said "you promised to get rid of Obamacare and give US a tax cut, and we WANT our TAX CUT regardless of anything else" .... and the Republicans drop common sense, turn a blinded eye, and move forward with their ridiculous, selfish BS. Its my feeling that Trump & his cronies wish to get all they can get BEFORE the voters turn them ALL out to pasture in 2018 & 2000.
....So what am I hearing and seeing every night on TV ... nothing advertised by Democrats regarding our healthcare, immigration, or tax cuts, etc ... each night for the past month I get to hear and view Ronald Reagan Jr giving his atheist, 'separation of church & state' advertisement night after night in which he ends his ad by saying "This is Ron Reagan, Atheist, Not Afraid Of Burning In Hell". It seems the only one that's stepping up and calling the President & his cronies out, in public, is Jimmy Kimbel on Late Night.

 

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their past failures thus far with practically everything (including healthcare) they've touched under the Trump Administration, says this is a big, fat LOSER, geared simply to free up money for their upcoming tax cut proposal which ALSO has no specifics

agree with that.... they said last time they needed to do away with it so it would work into their tax cuts


last I saw and heard the dems are more concentrating on getting a few republicans on their side.... and know they can't stop this once it's going...without a few on the right

key is McCain again....but will he go against his good buddy who created this mess!

I understand there are several having second thoughts

 

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bet trump is not to happy now!

John McCain just dealt the GOP's latest healthcare bill a critical blow
Business Insider Joe Perticone,Business Insider

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican who delivered the final blow to the previous attempt to overhaul the US healthcare system, may have done the same when he came out against the GOP's latest healthcare legislation on Friday afternoon.

In a statement, McCain said the lack of "regular order" in crafting the legislation was what pushed him away.

"I would consider supporting legislation similar to that offered by my friends Senators Graham and Cassidy were it the product of extensive hearings, debate, and amendment," McCain said. "But that has not been the case. Instead, the specter of September 30 budget reconciliation deadline has hung over this entire process.

"We should not be content to pass health care legislation on a party-line basis, as Democrats did when they rammed Obamacare through Congress in 2009," McCain added. "If we do so, our success could be as short-lived as theirs when the political winds shift, as they regularly do. The issue is too important, and too many lives are at risk, for us to leave the American people guessing from one election to the next whether and how they will acquire health insurance. A bill of this impact requires a bipartisan approach."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lashes-gop-opponents-health-care-bill-110647029--politics.html

 

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[MacNfries]

I am a bit curious IF a single payer system became law financially how would your immediate family be impacted.

....I imagine my employer would provide subsidies for any costs to employees as long as they worked for him/her. So, I'm not too concerned with Single Payer impacting me, personally. Torp, its NOT about me ... its about what's RIGHT for everyone. The old Vulcan saying "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is a pretty clear message. And I've spoken favorably about Single Pay in the past, BUT here's the thing. Dumping another hugh number of people onto the Medicare program would cost the USA over a $trillion a year in fraud & misuse of the program. Already there is tremendous fraud & misuse of the Medicare program ... over $60 billion I believe. When you put pharmaceuticals + dump another 250 million people into a program that's already poorly managed, you have staggering numbers in fraud alone.
....So, before the government implements a "Medicare For Everyone" plan, they need to resolve the fraud & misuse in the current plan. My personal opinion is that the government should sponsor a mandatory health plan for everyone which includes the minimum 10 Essential Services ... making it a true health plan, but set benefit maximums at a low amount, and allowing insureds to "buy UP" through the insurance industry.
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....For example:.... Plan Max.....Hosp/Stay Max.....Surgery Max.....Prescript. deductible ..... Office Visits Co/pay

$250,000.......60 days......... .....$10,000 ........ 1st $40 per month ........$30 co/pay then 100%​

....Buy-Up Plan: .. $1 million.......up to 360 days...$100,000 ........ 100% of deductible........ 100% of co-pay

....The government would regulate the subsidy (voluntary) benefits so they paid direct to service providers. Benefits would be initially guaranteed issued, and if insureds opt out on voluntary benefits but want to add them later, carriers pick up pre-x after a one-year waiting period for those passing up on the initial guarantee. The state exchanges would provide a host of carriers who would compete for this voluntary business. THIS would appease the insurance industry because they would have access to ALL the people, not just to the private sector people not covered on group health plans. In other words, insurance companies would see a 8-10X more business by providing the Buy-Up benefits to everyone.

 

[Torpedo]

that would be something a republican would say...what about Bush who could have had him and didn't...Obama still gave the orders to do it...you can stick your head in the sand the way the right does any time a DEM does something good but it doesn't change the facts... he sent the team in and gave the order...something your president didn't have the balls to do!

He simply concluded what others had started and took a lot more credit than he deserved

 

[Torpedo]

as for shooting off his mouth on Iran.....the other countries that negotiated that deal want him to shut up and they don't want to end it.... Iran so far has quit the nukes and following...but he is listening to that asshole in Israel who wanted to bomb them a few years ago...and wanted the us blessing...Israel is out for themselves..with Iran and the gaza strip...they are playing us for a fool!...and you kiss trumps ass you can do what you want...the guy is an idiot!

Have you ever looked at the deal with Iran? They are allowed to upgrade their refining equipment and move most of it into a mountain facility that could with stand anything short of a heavy strategic nuclear ground burst. Under the terms of the treaty with the upgraded equipment they can increase their fissile refining capacity. And that new missile they just unveiled? I suppose you believe that is for peaceful space research. Plus these have been some rumbling that some of Iran's nuclear research and manufacture has been moved to Syria which wouldn't be entirely surprising

 

[MacNfries]

The US is moving quite rapidly toward anti-missile defense. If they could perfect this missile system on subs, they could park off the N Korean coast a couple hundred miles and pop those N Korean missiles down as they take off.

 

[Torpedo]

Hitler did not want us in the war. He told Japan to hold off on the attack, but the Emperor thought otherwise because we were essentially sitting ducks, they had the advantage. Japan ignored Hitler and attacked anyways, so yes - they attacked us because they could - Basically we stayed "silent" and sat on our hands and did nothing to help or neighbors and got attacked anyways. PH probably would not have happened had we stepped in earlier.

It is a little more complex but the main thing at the time leading up to Pearl Harbor was Roosevelt was pursuing an isolationist policy in the United States. The economy was a mess despite what many people think. When Pearl Harbor was attacked the unemployment rate was 16%. Roosevelt's policies weren't working and what went on in Asia wasn't high on his list of priorities until the late 1930's.

Neither Roosevelt or Stimson had any love for the Japanese. By 1937 the New Deal was petering out and the country was finding out the New Deal wasn't such a great deal. The saber rattling in Europe and Asia especially Asia gave Roosevelt some ammunition for for his third term re-election. Japan was far away, it could make for great press and provide little risk to Roosevelt or so he thought. Starting in 1939 the U.S. government canceled a long standing commercial treaty with Japan. It was followed in 1940 by export controls to Japan, and was followed in 1941 by prohibitions on the export of strategic scrap and raw materials such as iron and steel. I think there is a message here about how poorly sanctions can work against a determined foe

This is one of the better summations of the events that lead up to the attack on Pearl harbor
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

One problem I frequently run into is most people have little knowledge of history beyond what they learned in high school. The world is often a more complex place than most people realize and the United States has some skeletons in its closet that don't see the light of day very often. A lot of students get a bit of culture shock when they get to college and start taking college level history classes.

 

[Torpedo]

The US is moving quite rapidly toward anti-missile defense. If they could perfect this missile system on subs, they could park off the N Korean coast a couple hundred miles and pop those N Korean missiles down as they take off.

They should just shoot them down and not even comment about it.

One of my early mentors was a German American that served as a guard in POW camp in Michigan during WWII. Ed said the regular German soldiers were no problem they were getting 3 meals a day and not getting shot at. However the SS prisoners were fanatical and he said you could never turn you back on them. One day he is walking through the kitchen area and the SS were doing KP. One of the SS prisoners came after him with a knife of some sort. Ed would have been justified in shooting the prisoner. However he hit the guy in the head with the butt of his rifle and picked up the ******* prisoner and threw him on a big grill they were cooking food on. Then he nonchalantly walked away like nothing had happened. He said he never had anymore trouble with the SS because they figured he was just as crazy as they were. The lesson was when you talk to someone do so in a fashion they understand

 

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He simply concluded what others had started and took a lot more credit than he deserved

that's a republican response if there ever was one!






torp and you "liking buddy" not sure which one or maybe all of the above you would fit into....but I know this one will cover it!

 

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They are allowed to upgrade their refining equipment and move most of it into a mountain facility that could with stand anything short of a heavy strategic nuclear ground burst. Under the terms of the treaty with the upgraded equipment they can increase their fissile refining capacity.

yes...and they are not allowed to build a nuke for 10 years...in 10 years things could be a lot different..and who knows....have you checked to see what France and Germany and a few others that were in those negotiations have to say?....they want him to shut the fuck up!

the only one pushing him onto this is neytenyahoo!

 

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took a lot more credit than he deserved

that is Obama's major flaw.... he NEVER tooted his own horn on anything and he should have

look at what we have now...this guy is tooting his own horn on things he nothing to do with!

 

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As dismay with GOP's Obamacare repeal rises, the question becomes: Why are they doing this?
Los Angeles Times

The reviews keep pouring in for the Senate Republicans’ latest (and presumably final) attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and they’re uniformly foul. The newest entries came from the National Assn. of Medicaid Directors and from Nevada’s Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval. The Medicaid directors observed that the measure would ******* states to completely remake their Medicaid programs within two years, a task that the “vast majority” would find impossible. The repeal bill’s capping of federal Medicaid funds and conversion of Medicaid and individual market subsidies to block grants “would constitute the largest intergovernmental transfer of financial risk from the federal government to the states ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/dc59d1f9-487e-395b-9ed7-d0643de0929e/ss_as-dismay-with-gop's.html

 

[Torpedo]

check your history...Japan did not want a war with the US.....they had some crazy fuck like trump in charge of the military...he really thought they could win..... and he planned the attack and followed through on it...after that Japan was committed! ( just happened to see a show on that last week...hour long special)

Yamamoto the architect of Pearl Harbor was opposed to attacking the United States. He had spent time at Harvard and some time traveling the United states and had a good understanding of the United States. He warned the Emperor that attacking the United States was a very bad idea but he was a good soldier and did what he was ordered to do. We killed him in 1943 in what was one of the most amazing long range missions of WWII

 

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Yamamoto the architect of Pearl Harbor was opposed to attacking the United States. He had spent time at Harvard and some time traveling the United states and had a good understanding of the United States

might want to rethink that torp....what was your statement earlier?...most people have little understanding of history?


Yamamoto and the Planning for Pearl Harbor

Japan’s approach in 1941, which consisted of negotiations in parallel with preparations for war, never gave the negotiations any realistic chance of success unless the United States agreed to Japan’s conditions. Thus, increasingly, war became the only remaining option. An Imperial Conference on July 2, 1941, confirmed the decision to attack the Western powers. In early September, the Emperor declined to overrule the decision to go to war and the final authorization for war was given on December 1. By this time, Yamamoto’s Pearl Harbor attack ******* was already at sea.

Yamamoto alone came up with the idea of including the Pearl Harbor attack into Japan’s war plans and, because the attack was so risky, it took great perseverance on his part to get it approved. It says much for his influence and powers of persuasion that the event even occurred. The attack was successful beyond all expectations, making it central to Yamamoto’s reputation as a great admiral, and as it had strategic and political ramifications far beyond what he imagined, it made Yamamoto one of World War II’s most important commanders.

Yamamoto was not the first person to think of attacking the American naval base at Pearl Harbor. As early as 1927, war games at the Japanese Navy War College included an examination of a carrier raid against Pearl Harbor. The following year, a certain Captain Yamamoto lectured on the same topic. By the time the United States moved the Pacific Fleet from the West Coast to Pearl Harbor in May 1940, Yamamoto was already exploring how to execute such a bold operation. According to the chief of staff of the Combined Fleet, Vice Admiral Fukudome Shigeru, Yamamoto first discussed an attack on Pearl Harbor in March or April 1940. This clearly indicates that Yamamoto did not copy the idea of attacking a fleet in its base after observing the British carrier raid on the Italian base at Taranto in November 1940. After the completion of the Combined Fleet’s annual maneuvers in the fall of 1940, Yamamoto told Fukudome to direct Rear Admiral Onishi Takijiro to study a Pearl Harbor attack under the utmost secrecy. After the Taranto attack, Yamamoto wrote to a fellow admiral and friend stating that he had decided to launch the Pearl Harbor attack in December 1940.

http://www.thehistoryreader.com/modern-history/yamamoto-planning-pearl-harbor/


hope this doesn't turn into another spencer rifle and Gettysburg thing again

 

[Chungcheng21]

I miss bipartisanship.

 

[MacNfries]

... that's a republican response if there ever was one!

re: GOP idolizes a false memory of Reagan the same way they demonize a false reality of Obama.
... because they have no problem exploiting the many to benefit the few, that's why.
....There's one thing I've noticed of the Republicans, however ... they ALL get on the same song and harmonize the same false statements, almost rhythmically. Look how its worked for their shitty health plan. That's why "trickle down" has worked so well ... they all say the same thing again and again ... they know that, eventually, even a lie becomes the truth once its repeated over and over. Their base aren't readers ... they simply take what their party says as FACT which is why the Trump base is so fucking ignorant.
....Wait until Trump gets us in a nuclear war with N Korea ... millions of lives lost ... and Trump will simply tell his base that it was Obama's and Hillary's fault and they'll believe it.

 

[MacNfries]

They should just shoot them down and not even comment about it.

Our new subs are so quiet and fast under water they could probably pop up 20 miles off shore, shoot down N Korea's missile on liftoff, then, just as quietly and quickly, disappear ...