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Why Republicans Hate Obamacare So Much

When President Barack Obama was first sworn into office in January 2009, he immediately began the process for passing his key policy issue - reforming the country’s expensive and haphazard health insurance industry. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which would eventually be known as the Affordable Care Act, the ACA, or simply “Obamacare,” was then introduced in the fall of 2009. By November, it passed with a mere five-vote majority in the House, and the following month, it passed the Senate 60 to 39.

In both chambers, not one single Republican voted in favor of the bill.

It didn’t have to be that way. Health-care reform was an issue both parties were in favor of and previous efforts had enjoyed bipartisan support. The most hopeful-looking option was the “Healthy Americans Act,” a reform bill introduced by Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, and Sen. Robert Bennett, a Republican from Utah. The 2007 bill had multiple co-sponsors on both sides of the aisle but never managed to make it out of committee.
Still, when it came to the Affordable Care Act, Republican politicians were lockstep in their refusal to so much as consider any sort of common ground - even though many aspects of the plan were quite similar to a 2006 Massachusetts law developed and signed by Republican Gov. Mitt Romney. Their opposition was immediate, total, and relentless, to the point where many find themselves wondering just what do they hate so much about Obamacare?

Based solely on official conservative principles, there are actually a number of issues that the GOP legitimately would have with the ACA. Just like Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, they view Obamacare as an entitlement program they would be more than happy to discontinue, believing that the government should never be involved in assuring minimum standards of living are met. “ome conservatives oppose it for the same reason that liberals favor it. Through the Medicaid expansion and the exchanges, it subsidizes insurance coverage for people of modest means by raising taxes on people of less-modest means,” explains Reilhan Salam at Slate, adding, “Conservatives tend not to be enthusiastic about redistribution, and they’re particularly skeptical about redistribution that isn’t transparent.”
The industry regulations that are a part of the Affordable Care Act are also another stumbling block for fiscal conservatives who believe that businesses should always be allowed to govern themselves and are justified in gaining as much profit as they can for shareholders. As part of health-care reform, insurance agencies were ****** to spend 85 percent of all revenues on medical care rather than administration costs or bonuses or perks. They could also no longer cap how much they spend per patient in coverage due to medical conditions or other need for chronic care, either on an annual or lifetime basis. These restrictions on profitability are opposed by Republicans who think free market principles will keep businesses in check.

And of course there were issues with reproductive health care such as abortion and birth control. Anti-abortion groups claimed the Affordable Care Act to be “the largest expansion of abortion since Roe v. Wade” due to the inclusion of some insurance plans in the exchange that allowed coverage for elective abortions. They considered plans purchased on state and federal exchanges to be a means of forsing other taxpayers to “subsidize” elective abortion coverage, despite the fact that the government set up additional steps to ensure that federal funding to private insurance plans that cover abortions remain separate, and the president’s additional executive order reaffirming the Hyde Amendment’s federal ban on abortion funding. They also demanded exceptions for all companies - for-profit and nonprofit - who had religious objections to birth control. The birth control mandate declared contraception an essential service for women’s health and required all companies to offer plans that included hormonal birth control, emergency contraception, long-acting birth control methods, and female sterilization procedures. Religious institutions were allowed a conscientious objection to the coverage, but social conservatives wanted the loophole extended to any business or organization whose owners disapproved of any birth control use for moral reasons – regardless of how many of their own employees or other insurees may have different opinions on the issue
Yet while the GOP has strenuously opposed all of these individual aspects of the ACA, it was the individual mandate that appeared to irk them the most - and had the least reason to do so. Republicans, using language that originated with the conservative Heritage Institute, were advocating for a requirement that all people be required some form of health insurance as long ago as the late 1980s and it was championed by GOP Congress members during much of the early 1990s. It was even a key component in the Massachusetts health care law approved by Gov. Romney in 2006. But the individual mandate instead went from being something that Republicans were willing to support in order to bring down the costs of insurance to a policy they claim strips personal liberty and is even tantamount to slavery.

So what flipped the switch? Election Day, 2008. When Obama won his first presidential election, that also put both the House and Senate into Democratic control. The House Democrats outnumbered Republicans 257 to 178, and Democrats and their two independent allies outnumbered the Senate Republicans 59 to 41. According to the Brookings Institute’s Thomas Mann, GOP strategy experts decided that the best way to win back majorities would be to keep their entire conservative block united in rejecting any legislation that could potentially be viewed as a Democratic success if it passed. Congressional Republicans were urged to filibuster any bill that came before the Senate and harshly criticize any law that they couldn’t stop in an attempt to make what did pass as unpopular as possible. That decision doomed any chance for bipartisan health-care reform.
The GOP’s refusal to vote in favor of Obamacare’s passage and their aggressive opposition to every element of the bill - even those they had agreed with in the past - served to help them sweep into power in both Congress and a number of state legislatures when the 2010 midterms came around. And by taking over a number of state legislatures and governors’ mansions, Republicans could then block portions of the ACA from going into effect, further hampering the reforms. Red-state legislatures often refused to expand Medicaid so more people could receive subsidized insurance plans, leaving their residents with far more expensive out-of-pocket costs than blue-state counterparts. They also often opted out of opening their own state exchanges, forsing the uninsured to enroll through the federal exchange instead, which limited their coverage options and put a greater burden on the federal site. By first refusing to support Obamacare and then purposefully trying to make it fail, Republicans believed any consumer dissatisfaction would rest completely on the shoulders of the Democrats, since they were the only ones to vote in favor of the law.
So do Republicans really despise the Affordable Care Act? Despite the fact that they have voted in some way, shape, or form to repeal some or all of the ACA more than 60 times in the six years since it was signed into law, the answer may surprisingly be no. Or at least, not as much of it as they claim. But they do hate the “Obamacare” that was passed solely with Democratic votes and signed by a Democratic president, and they will do anything to tear that down completely. And when they later replace it with a new plan that has a surprising number of policies similar to the law they just undid, well, then we will know the thing they hated most about Obamacare was always Obama.
 
also if you want Torp I can post another one on why the dem's are better than the republicans....again all facts....but doubt you want to hear it let alone even take the time to read it

I doubt you will read what is posted above since it goes against everything you want to believe
 
as for Obama I really think his heart and head was in the right place... he just ran into a brick wall....he was the most honest and corrupt free pres we have had in years... and the right sure dug... best they could do was he isn't a citizen
Best salesman that has been in the White House. A lot of his "achievements" don't withstand close scrutiny very well. Politics is often the art of misdirection. He spent way too much time debating his citizenship with the Republicans. I felt there was something being hidden. My gut feeling is that at least for some of his college and law school years he may well have claimed to be a foreign national when in fact he was a U.S. citizen. School could have been a lot cheaper. There was a lot of information about his college years that wasn't released
 
Why Republicans Hate Obamacare So Much
That's pretty simple, Obama made it clear he didn't want or need any input or discussion about healthcare from the Republicans. Even before he took office both major parties has a very adversarial relationship. He had the votes he needed to pass the plan tailored by and for the medical industry. He was a little heady with power and he made sure any bridges that might have been build were burned down.
 
He was a little heady with power and he made sure any bridges that might have been build were burned down.

and now who has a twisted view of the facts?

he tried to get as many people involved as he could and it started out fine...but then the right started their anything against Obama policy and he had to do what he could to get it passed
 
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He spent way too much time debating his citizenship with the Republicans

no he proved it up front but Trump wouldn't buy it and didn't let it go...after he showed his birth certificate he didn't go into any more...if you remember right Trumpo said he would give a million dollar to Obama's fav charity if he did...Obama showed it but trump did nothing and said it was a fake

you sound like one of those still pushing the birther thing....just hate the dems so much....
 
The GOP’s refusal to vote in favor of Obamacare’s passage and their aggressive opposition to every element of the bill - even those they had agreed with in the past - served to help them sweep into power in both Congress and a number of state legislatures when the 2010 midterms came around.
You neglect to mention that by the time Obama left office the Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress, plus the White House. All told the Democrats have lost over 900 seats in state legislatures, 12 Governors, 69 House seats and 13 Senate seats. That is one Hell of a legacy.
 
you sound like one of those still pushing the birther thing....just hate the dems so much....
I don't hate the Democratic party, I really don't see them as a significant ******* in politics at this time. If you had read my statement you would realize that I don't doubt he was a U.S. citizen. I think he may well have represented himself as a foreign national to get a better deal on his education
 
I don't hate the Democratic party, I really don't see them as a significant ******* in politics at this time.

well I'm not sold on the dem's either...and you are right they are not a ******* in politics anymore...not like they used to be.... they are taking their voters for granted...and it showed last election....but unlike you ( you won't admit to being anti democratic) I am more than willing to admit I hate the right!
I have said it before so many times I can see nothing good they have done for the workers or the country...in years....and my offer still stands ...show me one thing positive the party has done for the country in the past 30 years?
 
a third party stands the best chance ever of getting into politics next election...but I will bet no one steps up...ALWAYs the first election after a new pres...there is a percentage of people who vote against the party in power...plus you have so many that are mad at trump that will vote against him...and the ones that suffered from voter apathy that didn't vote at all
a third party stands it's best chance right now.... but will someone stand up? doubt it

look at some of the special elections taking place recently... we had a dem voted in here..in a completely red state!...and this state is not the only one..... and look at the money the right has spent to try and hang on in others

the right is in trouble next election...and the dems will make out simply because there is no one else!
 
the right is in trouble next election...and the dems will make out simply because there is no one else!
....I wish I was that confident about the Dems, but they tend to be a bit lazy, both politicians and voters. There's absolutely no way the Republicans should be able to push their new health plan through congress ... absolutely no way, BUT, our liberal party is simply too lazy to attack them on their plan. You put the benefits of both the ACA & Republican plan side by side, plus the Republicans refuse to answer questions regarding pre-x, costs, etc. ... and there's no way they should be able to get the votes. But, it won't surprise me if they do. Personally, I don't think the members of either party understand health care benefits or care to ... its strictly a partisan issue.
....Governors from all over the US ... both Democrats & Republicans, are speaking out against the Republican plan and the Right have a deft ear ... their goal is simple, eliminate ACA to make room for more tax cuts for the wealthy. The Left should be all over this, but, they're not. They'll sit back and watch the people lose their health care, then take advantage (or not) of a swing in public opinion after the Right has fucked up the system yet again. Then it starts ALL OVER ... same BS year after year, election after election. The people have absolutely no control, any more, in who really represents them in Washington ... Big Money controls the show.
 
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Personally, I don't think the members of either party understand health care benefits or care to ... its strictly a partisan issue.

I agree...neither knows... but the right's only concern is the dollar!
they need that cut to the ACA to help with their new tax plan....they give the rich a big tax break and the only way of paying for it is to...******* off some people who will be out of health insurance
 
Governors from all over the US ... both Democrats & Republicans, are speaking out against the Republican plan and the Right have a deft ear ... their goal is simple, eliminate ACA to make room for more tax cuts for the wealthy. The Left should be all over this, but, they're not.

with them pushing it through before it gets a chance to get analized... was all a part of McConnell's plan
like you said earlier the left should be all over this and they are not...they wait for someone who knows (CBO) and McConnell out smarted them on this one!
 
well I'm not sold on the dem's either...and you are right they are not a ******* in politics anymore...not like they used to be.... they are taking their voters for granted...and it showed last election....but unlike you ( you won't admit to being anti democratic) I am more than willing to admit I hate the right!
I have said it before so many times I can see nothing good they have done for the workers or the country...in years....and my offer still stands ...show me one thing positive the party has done for the country in the past 30 years?
Apparently you didn't read my post about the last 100 plus years there were significant events that fell within your parameters
 
.I wish I was that confident about the Dems, but they tend to be a bit lazy, both politicians and voters. There's absolutely no way the Republicans should be able to push their new health plan through congress ... absolutely no way, BUT, our liberal party is simply too lazy to attack them on their plan. You put the benefits of both the ACA & Republican plan side by side, plus the Republicans refuse to answer questions regarding pre-x, costs, etc. ... and there's no way they should be able to get the votes. But, it won't surprise me if they do. Personally, I don't think the members of either party understand health care benefits or care to ... its strictly a partisan issue.
all any current plan the Republicans have is Obamacare version 2 nothing more. Any program that is mandatory and subsidized by the government is a recipe for disaster. At this point the only viable health care system is a single payer and the only way that will happen is a grass roots movement. We have to tell Congress to pass a single payer system or get voted out of office. And starting in 2018 do so.
 
with them pushing it through before it gets a chance to get analized... was all a part of McConnell's plan
like you said earlier the left should be all over this and they are not...they wait for someone who knows (CBO) and McConnell out smarted them on this one!
I think you meant analyzed but in this case analized might be more appropriate. :exciting:Passing a bill before it is understood? Perhaps you have forgotten Nancy Pelosi"s famous "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." I really don't think anyone actually knew what was in the bill. It had several authors, each with their own part to do
 
Democrats pushing a Single Payer program would be as catastrophic as the Republicans pushing their own, current bile. Vermont is installing a Single Payer program on their own ... why not read a bit more before jumping on THIS wagon.
 
the right is in trouble next election...and the dems will make out simply because there is no one else!
No really true. The libertarians seem to have a realistic game plan. There is also the Green Party but considering Jill Stein's siding and supporting Hillary even if the help was a little obtuse I would be reluctant to support her. The best thing that could happen in 2018 is that the Democrats make little or no gains, and the Republicans loose control of both houses. I really don't have a big problem with Trump, both major parties really don't seem to like him and that is a good thing as far as I am concerned. Most elected governments have several parties in power. Nobody has total control over anything. They have to work together to accomplish anything. That kind of multiparty environment is where Trump would thrive
 
No really true. The libertarians seem to have a realistic game plan. There is also the Green Party

yeah right!

last time they waited until everyone had already pretty much decided who they would vote for and then they run...and when they did they embarrassed them selves on foreign events ...as for the green party....when have they ever got more than 3 or 4 % of the vote....the only time they came close was with ross perot!..
they NEVER run a viable candidate and aleways wait until most have already decided... If and I mean IF they ran a good candidate and got him out as early as the right and left do...might...even the one they ran this time...if he had got an earlier start might have over come some of his blunders
right now we are stuck with the 2 partys
if Kaisik teams up with that dem he has been making talks with... they could pull some votes!

Most elected governments have several parties in power

yes I posted something on that a while back...I think Sweden ran 12 candidates last time\


That kind of multiparty environment is where Trump would thrive

trump will never thrive...he is going down!
and even if he doesn't who would trust him?
 
think you meant analyzed

no I typed what I meant

Passing a bill before it is understood? Perhaps you have forgotten Nancy Pelosi"s famous "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." I really don't think anyone actually knew what was in the bill.

at that time it was new and nobody really knew how it would work...the CBO couldn't work it.... and always in the past..like social security and Medicare it was "tweaked" after it was put in.... not thime.. they voted 50 time to repeal it and never made any attempt to fix the issues... and they even went out of their way to help it self destruct!
 
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