That is, this guy was an older professor but listening to him talk you knew he had seen things a lot of people had not....very interesting. Wish it been more than a one semester class
We need to get serious with ISIS
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So I never expel any energy into the fray of political discussions on here because its not the venue nor worth the time since people relay mostly opinionated statements and no one considers, discusses, nor provides any serious and sensible solutions as to what we can do to address the problems we face nor what they are doing to address and resolving the issues themselves. If your not part of the solution then you are part of the problem basically and all the griping just piles up on the problem side. I come on here for one thing and one thing only .... and its not politics.
However I saw this topic headline and I just wanted to pose these facts and figures for people to consider and this also goes along with something @MacNfries had said.
Its quite funny that American's are in an uproar about ISIS and what to do with them. Does any American really know what ISIS is really fighting for? [see link below to article] I bet 9 out of 10 Americans are ignorant of those facts and if they knew they would realize you can't counter them with bombs and a different national strategy and tactic should be undertaken which it looks like we won't get with electing Trump or Cruz and they would only make things worse but I digress. [See article on report below from Think Tank Group ran by Tony Blair on why we can't bomb ISIS out of existence]
If American's really looked at the statistics on how many Americans died just last year (ONE YEAR) verse the last 40years from terrorist attacks it would be smarter for us to leave those fools alone over there fighting over their Apocalyptic ideology and devote our energy and resources to reducing the terrorist acts Americans are committing against one another.
During a press conference after the October 2015 Oregon Umpqua Community college mass shooting where Ten people were killed by Chris Harper-Mercer who opened fire at them execution line style, US President Barack Obama asked the media to compare the number of Americans killed by terror attacks to the number killed by gun violence.
"News organizations, tally up the number of Americans who have been killed through terrorist attacks over the last decade, and the number of Americans who have been killed by gun violence," Obama said. "Post those side by side on your news reports."
Ponder these facts and figures for a moment:
The Post also compared worldwide terror deaths to worldwide gun deaths and found that, even with incomplete data for the gun deaths, terror does not come close.
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-have-die-from-gun-violence-than-terror-attacks-2015-10
Remember one of the worst terror inflicted massacre's ever on American soil (outside of September 11, 2001) was the Sandy Hook Elementary school mass shooting where on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot first his mom then 20 children and 6 adult staff members killing 28 in total.
America's foreign policy as highlighted in the Movie Charlie Wilson's War and the History Channel documentary of the senator of the same name highlights the cause of the extremism that America causes overseas and solutions to those problems which is to stop exhibiting Hubris, dropping bombs on them will solve everything (a'la Trump, Cruz, and Hillary too), and think America can shape the lives and environment of people who have a theocratic culture and society for a thousand years and just make them democratic in a few years.
In regards to solving the problems of terrorism here in America do you realize that America spends more money to incarcerate an individual and build up the penal industrial complex system than on children for the head-start and trade instruction programs like mechanics and home economics in high school. Do we want to invest more to prepare our youth in America to goto Penn State UNIV or the State Penitentiary? Put your money where your mouth is and we can see where the money is being channeled for the answer here.
A lack of opportunities creates crime, and the way to solve that is to change the conditions in America that creates crime via lack of education, training, and no opportunities in one's environment nor any investment to stimulate growth here in American neighborhoods which is criminal while we give billions away in foreign aid and to fight fruitless wars everyday.
The book 'The New Jim Crow' by Michele Alexander that was a recommended read by Mark Zuckerberg who created facebook points out the subtle ways that America has a class warfare system from the Upper/to Middle/to Lower/to underclass where the people on the lower rungs of the class ladder are permanently locked out from any upward mobility of social and economic prosperity. A majority of the violent crime occurs from people trapped in the lower rungs of the economical class system and this is the same all over the world which breeds dissatisfaction and contempt that leads to crime and *******.
And more resources to help people with mental illnesses such as the 2 mass-shooters I listed above who both suffered from mental instability would go a long way to help as there are plenty of reports where Parents had admitted their children to get help from mental issues only to have the mental institutions release them because they could not keep them for treatment.
This is it from me, I'm going back to having fun now.
~BBB76
WHY ISIS fights - great article from the Guardian:
ref: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/17/why-isis-fight-syria-iraq
Military Defeat Of ISIS 'Will Not End' Global Threat From Jihadi Groups: Report
ref: http://www.ibtimes.com/military-defeat-isis-will-not-end-global-threat-jihadi-groups-report-2233658
Excerpt from article:
"Wiping out Islamic State group, also referred to ISIS, "will not end" the global threat from jihadi groups, according to a report by the Centre on Religion & Geopolitics -- a think tank run by Tony Blair Faith Foundation.
There are about 15 lesser militias with 65,000 fighters ready to fill the vacuum resulting from a defeat of ISIS in Syria and Iraq by a coalition led by the U.S., the center said, adding that the "West risks making a strategic failure by focusing only on IS. Defeating it militarily will not end global jihadism. We cannot bomb an ideology, but our war is ideological."
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Let's hope not, BBB ... thanks for the sensible & well written contribution. Mac
I'll add a bit of statistical info regarding terrorist that I forgot, and actually one of the best:;
- since 9-11 there have been 45 deaths due to Islamic terrorists in the US. The average number of deaths per year, due to lightening strikes is 51. Using these numbers, it appears that being struck by lightening is about 20X more likely than dying from a terrorist. That said, think about it ... how many of us are concerned about being struck by lightening? And the odds are even less with terrorist.
ps ... I certainly have my concerns with a people that hate us simply because of our own beliefs & ideologies, but I can't see sending our military over there (in HARM'S WAY again) until I see these peace loving Muslims standing up and vocally denouncing & disclaiming these terrorists and helping identify some of these radical. They know who a lot of them are, yet we've hardly heard a peep out of the Muslims here in the USA.
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Isis works for the United State. And are already at the Mexican border. Watch Stephen Kings Mini series/ Novel. The Langoliers. Isis is destroying history and the past just like the creatures in the movie. You think Syria was an accident? They are going to walk right in.....
Orion, I'm really starting to wonder about you, man! You're really up there with this stuff. Langoliers, huh?
I just gotta get some of what you're smoking ...
Very funny Mac. I know it sounds like madness!
I don't think this ******* has anything to do with Muslims Hun. I mean they cover there faces so it could be your white neighbors or the church guy or whatever.
Now your on to something.
Somehow i dont think its my church going neighbor i need to worry about. Its the fuckers building bombs in there basement and going to american hating mosques.
Domestic terrorists explained ... exactly what I've been referring to. Only reason so much is being made of international terrorists coming here is because it buys the Republicans a platform besides their Trickle Down - tax cuts for the rich BS that they've held on with for 35 years. They know voters are waking up.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...t-call-it-terrorism-if-perpetrators-are-white
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...t-call-it-terrorism-if-perpetrators-are-white
If your muslim and you hate this country and you are living here or travel here to commit terroristic acts then we should be actively seeking them out and trying to prevent them from getting in. We need to have a much better screening process for those wanting to immigrate to america.
And we also need to investigate those Mosques and Muslim communties to see if they are preaching hate and see if any of these people are being radicalized.
And we also need to investigate those Mosques and Muslim communties to see if they are preaching hate and see if any of these people are being radicalized.
What does your opinion of Republican economic policy have to do with a discussion on terrorism? If you're going to editorialize, write the Charlotte Observer (I'm assuming that's the largest newspaper in circulation in your area, if I'm wrong please correct me), otherwise, keep it on topic.
If you're going to use that article as a source, at least have the decency to mention the political leanings of that site (far left) and proof read it. It mentions the live TV murders in Virginia this summer (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shot-live-tv-news-broadcast-virginia-article-1.2337586) in an article that asks why white perpetrators aren't called terrorists, when that shooter was black, all the while chronicling mass shootings done by white shooters.
Ok since I see people haven't read the links I provided on why ISIS fights and the Tony Blair Think Tank group's assessment on why dropping bombs won't stop them here is an excerpt to read on why they fight.
Bottom Line Up Front (BLUF): Its not because they are muslim hating Americans and our beliefs. They wouldn't care too much about us if we weren't over there meddling in the affairs in their geographic area to begin with. From the article "Why ISIS fights":
"One of the earliest sayings of the Prophet Muhammad – a hadith – mentions Dabiq as the location of a fateful showdown between Christians and Muslims which will be a precursor to the apocalypse. According to another prophecy, this confrontation will come after a period of truce between Muslims and Christians, during which Muslims – and only puritanical Sunnis fit the definition – would fight an undefined enemy, which in northern Syria today is deemed to be “Persians”.
“The Hour will not be established until the Romans [Christians] land at Dabiq,” the hadith says. “Then an army from Medina of the best people on the earth at that time will leave for them … So they will fight them. Then one third of [the fighters] will flee; Allah will never forgive them. One third will be killed; they will be the best martyrs with Allah. And one third will conquer them; they will never be afflicted with sorrow. Then they will conquer Constantinople.”
Now, close to 1,500 years later, have come waves of fighters who paid strict heed to these prophecies – and see the rise of Islamic State as a crucial turning point in a centuries-long battle of civilisations. For their purposes, the “Persians” today are not simply Iran, but also the Alawite regime that controls Syria and the Shia militias from around the region who have come to its defence." [1]
Alot of these mofos (not all-some purely do hate westerners) think they living in the last days and times and the book of revelations for muslims is playing out and we rushing in to fight with them only exacerbates the problem. Plus they want their own nation-state and why shouldn't they live a puritanical life according to their book, isn't that what the Puritans and Pilgrims did here in the US before other waves of invaders came in and then killed off the indigenous Native American people?
America has a very violent history and its because of its violent past, and present that it inflicts karma (what goes around comes around) back on it. Our foreign policy (Charlie Wilson's War, CIA-IRAN CONTRA, Operation AJAX (look that ******* up), IRAQ WARs 1 & 2) has been the root cause that has lead to ISIS and Hezbollah and will only make matters worse not better unless we rethink our national strategies and tactics. We need more what foreign policy advisers term D.I.M.E. (Diplomatic, Informational, Military, Economic) tactics to employ and not purely Military which is what we have been doing with poor results.
There was a poll taken in the so-called Middle East amongst Muslims on their views about ISIS and 60% of them did not accept nor agree with them fools at all. There are alot of moderate and peaceful Muslims but yet Trump and other fear-mongers say they are all terrorists trying to get over here to ******* us.
"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding." - Dr. Martin Luther King
Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." Bible, Matthew, verse 26:52.
Now back to my other point from earlier too, America is too violent of a nation all in itself to chastise or criticize anyone else much less muslims in the middle east. Lets clean up our own home first before going over to others telling them to get their house in order. Japan and Norway are just as modern as the US and have relatively no murders nor a large prison population and put us to shame.
[1] WHY ISIS fights - great article from the Guardian:
ref: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/17/why-isis-fight-syria-iraq
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I for one wouldn't be so quick to use Tony Blaire as a source of good information on the ME. There are too many contradictions in his policies and stance on the ME problem. His attempts to straddle the divide between Israel and the Arab world was doomed to failure from the outset. How can one be a ME envoy and have links into the Labour Friends of Israel for example. Tony Blaire Associates (TBA) is an umbrella organisation, was established by Tony Blair to facilitate contacts and opportunities in the ME. Not for the benefit of those living in the ME. But solely the pocket of the then ME Envoy.
Terrorism and the Daesh:
Dabiq Issue 1
'Amirul-Mu’minin said: “Soon, by Allah’s permission, a day will come when the Muslim will walk everywhere as a master, having honor, being revered, with his head raised high and his dignity preserved.
Anyone who dares to offend him will be disciplined, and any hand that reaches out to harm him will be cut off.
So let the world know that we are living today in a new era.
Whoever was heedless must now be alert. Whoever was sleeping must now awaken. Whoever was shocked and amazed must comprehend. The Muslims today have a loud, thundering statement, and possess heavy boots.
They have a statement to make that will cause the world to hear and understand the meaning of terrorism, and boots that will trample the idol of nationalism, destroy the idol of democracy, and uncover its deviant nature.'
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Now.
There can be no illusion that the Daesh have a serious mission statement. Whether its in the ME, Asia or now within western society. They have a single goal. The complete annihilation of the Christian way of life the world offers.
its that simple. No room for misunderstanding. No political corrective alternatives. No maybes.
I am posting the long versions of posts and links here. Because, as usual people will comment without reading the links.
The Christian view on Daesh.
http://shoebat.com/2014/09/27/every-christian-needs-know-isis-master-plan/
'By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)
So who is behind ISIS and what do they really want from the West and why are they so focused on Syria and Iraq and what is the key to unlock their Islamist plans and how does that pertain to western Christians? Here, the key to unlock everything ISIS wants is hidden deep in a Turkish vault which we will reveal in one word: Dabiq.
Us, the x-Muslim Christians who are the collaborators with the western crusaders perhaps can explain a thing or two for you from what we know; Dabiq is what ISIS is all about, preparing the way for their version of Armageddon and the ushering forth of what you feared for centuries: Antichrist.
So what is Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey?
Arabic sources tell us:
“The use of Dabiq by ISIS is symbolic of the major historical event at Dabiq, it is the name of the battle the Ottomans won which paved the way for their occupation of Iraq and the Levant for more than four centuries, as well as being the springboard for the Islamic armies to fight the Rum (Romans) in their quest for world domination.”
The Battle of Marj Dābiq (Arabic: مرج دابق) as we all learned as children was the most decisive military clash in Middle Eastern history (1516 AD) near the town of Dabiq, 44 km north of Aleppo, Syria between the Ottoman Empire and the Mamluk Sultanate.
The mention of Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey reveals more than just history, but also eschatology of invading Egypt for a grand future victory for Erdogan’s ultimate dream to revive the sick man of Europe. Dabiq is reverting back the clock to when Sultan Selim I (King of the North) of the Ottomans had just pushed back and vanquished the Safavid Persians (The biblical Bear) at the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514—and turned their full might against the Mamluks, who ruled in Syria and Egypt (The biblical kingdom of the south) to complete the Ottoman conquest of the Middle East.
Many fail to connect the dots; the rich and wealthy layers and multiple fulfillments to the wisest of all prophets whom even Christ complimented: Daniel. Christ even addresses Antichrist on the day of his doom when the most powerful nations on earth defeats him:
“You think that you are wiser than Daniel and that no secret can be hidden from you.” (Ezekiel 28:3)
Daniel’s layers foretold it; the battle ended ultimately in the victory of the King of the North, the Ottoman Selim I over Egypt’s King of the South and the conquest of most of the Middle East by the Ottoman Empire was fulfilled which was the end of the Mamluk Sultanate. The Ottoman Empire’s victory in this battle gave it control of the entire region of Syria and later into Egypt.
Dabiq is key to unlocking Daniel when on May 18, 1516 when Al-Ashraf Qansuh al-Ghawri, started from Cairo, Egypt with 20,000 knights to later be killed. Egypt’s future will mimic this historic and eschatological event and will parallel the Turks’s invasion of Egypt. After the death of the Mamluk Sultan, the new Sultan, Tuman Bay (King of the South) whofinally, at the doorstep of Cairo, faced Selim I who defeated Tuman Bay and hung him at the gate of Cairo.
Dabiq is the whole story and is why ISIS calls its magazine Dabiq dedicating it to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq, their newly TV station is also called Dabiq dedicating that as well to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq. Even its Ottoman insignia on their flag (the insignia of Muhammad’s ring) comes from the Turkish Topkapi museum; everything goes back to Dabiq.
Dabiq is why Turkey hates Egypt and is why Erdogan hates Assisi of Egypt. Dabiq is why Turkey intended to invade Syria last year just as it did in its glory days during Selim I. The top secret operation was uncovered when a secret recording leaked of the highest officials discussing the plan to launch a military aggression on Syria by using ISIS to blow up the tomb of Suleiman Shah who was the grandfather of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire who was buried in Aleppo near Dabiq. The launched invasion resulted on aggression against the Armenian city of Kessab in which 80 Armenians were massacred as a result.
Dabiq is why Erdogan sees himself as Selim I and is why he publicly read an Islamic poem that includes the lines, “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers” and is why Erdoğan has used public funds to build more than 17,000 mosques while announcing plans to create a super-mosque overlooking Istanbul to celebrate the 560th anniversary of Istanbul’s conquest by the Ottomans. Erdoğan broke ground on a third Bosphorus Bridge linking the Asian and European sides of the city, naming it after the controversial conquering Sultan Selim I the conqueror of Dabiq.
The western mind doesn’t get it, that in the Muslim mind, the needle is stuck on the record in which the Christian crusader (General Allenby) took Jerusalem and the Christians finally brought an end to the Muslim Ottoman Caliphate in 1924. The song continues from there and the record will continue to play as soon as the electric surge is back until the needle comes to a screeching halt when Christ comes.
Dabiq is in the Hadith ISIS always recites:
“The Final Hour (of history) will not be established until the Romans land at either al-A’maq or at Dabiq (two places along the current Syria/ Turkey border). Then an army from al-Madinah of the best people on the earth at that time will leave for them.”
And this is why they want to draw the western (Roman) coalition into Dabiq (Syria). Dabiq proves their prophecy which they want to be the sacrificial lambs that ushers Turkey and the Ottomans who want a repeat of Dabiq and is why they open their nation to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in which Qaradawi announced the establishement of the Caliphate will be in Istanbul.
The “Hour of Resurrection” in the view of ISIS and the Ottomans cannot come until the ‘Romans’ (Christian Westerners) land forces in Dabiq, an area near Aleppo in northwestern Syria. According to Muslim eschatology as recounted in Dabiq, this sets up the great battle, or “Final Confrontation” of what they term “Al-Malhama Al-Kubra” (meaning The Great Battle) in which Muslim forces will triumph in the end against the Romans (Europeans and Americans).
Dabiq is why Turkey supports ISIS in order to revive their neo-Ottoman dream and heal that old mortal wound to revive the sick/dead man of Europe..
Entering the mind of your enemy is key not only to defeat him, but to understand how they manipulate the masses to follow them. ISIS just released this recruiting video telling all Muslims to obey what Allah commanded in the chapter of repentance Surat al-Tawba. They are telling Muslims worldwide to “go forth in the cause of Allah” and fight in Jihad killing. They are telling them to choose between earth and heaven. They are telling them “If you do not go forth [fighting in Jihad] He [Allah] will punish you with a painful punishment”:
The Muslim recites the verses as if it is the wonderful Catholic Praefatio Paschalis:
The Praefatio Paschalis says:
“It it truly meet and just, right and for our salvation, at all times to praise Thee, O Lord, but more gloriously especially this day when Christ our Pasch (Passover) was sacrificed. For He is the Lamb Who hath taken away the sins of the world: Who by dying hath destroyed our death: and by rising again hath restored us to life. And therefore with Angels and Archangels, with Thrones and Dominations, and with all the hosts of the heavenly army, we sing the hymn of Thy glory, evermore saying…”
Where the Catholic was strong prior to Vatican II, the Muslim still kept in his chant mimicking Catholics by similarly reciting the Quran while they reversed everything upside down with the spirit behind the Praefatio Paschalis in which they tell the Muslim to shed the ******* of others until their ******* is shed. They choose this for salvation instead of believing in the ******* of the Lamb of God.
It is why Islam as John the Revelator described, looks like a lamb, has two horns (two divided power pegs, Sunni and Shiite) but speaks like a dragon (Revelation 13:11) which John predicted will revive the first beast (seventh kingdom/Ottoman) whose “deadly wound was healed” (Revelation 13:12).
It looks as if it is a lamb but like a scorpion, the Muslim stings and inserts the very heresy the Catholic fought militarily against for centuries, that is of what Paul warned, the Arian heresy calling Christians to deny ******* and ******* and to ******* who refuse to bow to their image. They rob from the Catholic true theological concepts from martyrdom to militarism, twist it for aggression instead of defense and while they denounce paganism as the Catholic denounced the Aztecs they reverse it to attack the Christian and the Jew. There are no combinations of tricks that the devil does not use.
But even Islam teaches that the West will be victorious:
You should know that prior to this great battle between the Christian and the Muslim, the Christian will gain booty when they take all the lands of the Muslims.
The followers of satan who understands the scoop way more than humans, even knows that the Christians will be victorious in which the Muslim prophecy teacher springboards that the victory is not yet, but way into the end. The Muslim is set up not only for defeat, he is deceived until the end.
The story of Dabiq ends in Syria as Isaiah 17 predicted and the Muslims are crushed in Damascus. We already see the beginning signs for the destruction of Damascus when we witness the embryo forming with the influx of refugees from Syria to Jordan as predicted by the prophet Amos:
“I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.” (Amos 1:5)
Damascus: Key city in End Times Prophecy
Aven is Damascus today and Damascus is also literally mentioned here by name. Besides Lebanon, Syrians are leaving by the droves into Jordan and precisely “unto Kir” which is Kir-Moab (Isaiah 15:1). Today that region is called Kerak (see Gesenius Lexicon).
UNHCR Map showing Syrian Refugee Influx
UNHCR Map of Jordan Showing Syrian Refugee Influx into Jordan
When we review both the ancient map and the statistics of the recent influx of Syrian refugees into Jordan we find that over a half million Syrians already fled to “the borders of the land of Moab now called Kerrek. [Karak]”.
To set the Muslim to destruction, the Muslim is told to “continue until the end” and only then they will gain the victory.
The same deception goes for the Islamic prophecies regarding Jerusalem. The Muslim is told that he will be victorious when in Zechariah 12, 14, the Christian and the Jew are told they will obtain victory as the Messiah will descend on the Mount of Olives.
It is time for Christians to get into the mind of their enemies whom God ordained us to defeat. Do not be the lazy servant who says “Jesus will take care of everything in His garden” forgetting that He set you to care for it. So get involved for we are to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves and while He tarries, we continue producing fruit.
Terrorism and the Daesh:
Dabiq Issue 1
'Amirul-Mu’minin said: “Soon, by Allah’s permission, a day will come when the Muslim will walk everywhere as a master, having honor, being revered, with his head raised high and his dignity preserved.
Anyone who dares to offend him will be disciplined, and any hand that reaches out to harm him will be cut off.
So let the world know that we are living today in a new era.
Whoever was heedless must now be alert. Whoever was sleeping must now awaken. Whoever was shocked and amazed must comprehend. The Muslims today have a loud, thundering statement, and possess heavy boots.
They have a statement to make that will cause the world to hear and understand the meaning of terrorism, and boots that will trample the idol of nationalism, destroy the idol of democracy, and uncover its deviant nature.'
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Now.
There can be no illusion that the Daesh have a serious mission statement. Whether its in the ME, Asia or now within western society. They have a single goal. The complete annihilation of the Christian way of life the world offers.
its that simple. No room for misunderstanding. No political corrective alternatives. No maybes.
I am posting the long versions of posts and links here. Because, as usual people will comment without reading the links.
The Christian view on Daesh.
http://shoebat.com/2014/09/27/every-christian-needs-know-isis-master-plan/
'By Walid Shoebat (Shoebat Exclusive)
So who is behind ISIS and what do they really want from the West and why are they so focused on Syria and Iraq and what is the key to unlock their Islamist plans and how does that pertain to western Christians? Here, the key to unlock everything ISIS wants is hidden deep in a Turkish vault which we will reveal in one word: Dabiq.
Us, the x-Muslim Christians who are the collaborators with the western crusaders perhaps can explain a thing or two for you from what we know; Dabiq is what ISIS is all about, preparing the way for their version of Armageddon and the ushering forth of what you feared for centuries: Antichrist.
So what is Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey?
Arabic sources tell us:
“The use of Dabiq by ISIS is symbolic of the major historical event at Dabiq, it is the name of the battle the Ottomans won which paved the way for their occupation of Iraq and the Levant for more than four centuries, as well as being the springboard for the Islamic armies to fight the Rum (Romans) in their quest for world domination.”
The Battle of Marj Dābiq (Arabic: مرج دابق) as we all learned as children was the most decisive military clash in Middle Eastern history (1516 AD) near the town of Dabiq, 44 km north of Aleppo, Syria between the Ottoman Empire and the Mamluk Sultanate.
The mention of Dabiq to ISIS and Turkey reveals more than just history, but also eschatology of invading Egypt for a grand future victory for Erdogan’s ultimate dream to revive the sick man of Europe. Dabiq is reverting back the clock to when Sultan Selim I (King of the North) of the Ottomans had just pushed back and vanquished the Safavid Persians (The biblical Bear) at the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514—and turned their full might against the Mamluks, who ruled in Syria and Egypt (The biblical kingdom of the south) to complete the Ottoman conquest of the Middle East.
Many fail to connect the dots; the rich and wealthy layers and multiple fulfillments to the wisest of all prophets whom even Christ complimented: Daniel. Christ even addresses Antichrist on the day of his doom when the most powerful nations on earth defeats him:
“You think that you are wiser than Daniel and that no secret can be hidden from you.” (Ezekiel 28:3)
Daniel’s layers foretold it; the battle ended ultimately in the victory of the King of the North, the Ottoman Selim I over Egypt’s King of the South and the conquest of most of the Middle East by the Ottoman Empire was fulfilled which was the end of the Mamluk Sultanate. The Ottoman Empire’s victory in this battle gave it control of the entire region of Syria and later into Egypt.
Dabiq is key to unlocking Daniel when on May 18, 1516 when Al-Ashraf Qansuh al-Ghawri, started from Cairo, Egypt with 20,000 knights to later be killed. Egypt’s future will mimic this historic and eschatological event and will parallel the Turks’s invasion of Egypt. After the death of the Mamluk Sultan, the new Sultan, Tuman Bay (King of the South) whofinally, at the doorstep of Cairo, faced Selim I who defeated Tuman Bay and hung him at the gate of Cairo.
Dabiq is the whole story and is why ISIS calls its magazine Dabiq dedicating it to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq, their newly TV station is also called Dabiq dedicating that as well to the Ottoman victory at Dabiq. Even its Ottoman insignia on their flag (the insignia of Muhammad’s ring) comes from the Turkish Topkapi museum; everything goes back to Dabiq.
Dabiq is why Turkey hates Egypt and is why Erdogan hates Assisi of Egypt. Dabiq is why Turkey intended to invade Syria last year just as it did in its glory days during Selim I. The top secret operation was uncovered when a secret recording leaked of the highest officials discussing the plan to launch a military aggression on Syria by using ISIS to blow up the tomb of Suleiman Shah who was the grandfather of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire who was buried in Aleppo near Dabiq. The launched invasion resulted on aggression against the Armenian city of Kessab in which 80 Armenians were massacred as a result.
Dabiq is why Erdogan sees himself as Selim I and is why he publicly read an Islamic poem that includes the lines, “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers” and is why Erdoğan has used public funds to build more than 17,000 mosques while announcing plans to create a super-mosque overlooking Istanbul to celebrate the 560th anniversary of Istanbul’s conquest by the Ottomans. Erdoğan broke ground on a third Bosphorus Bridge linking the Asian and European sides of the city, naming it after the controversial conquering Sultan Selim I the conqueror of Dabiq.
The western mind doesn’t get it, that in the Muslim mind, the needle is stuck on the record in which the Christian crusader (General Allenby) took Jerusalem and the Christians finally brought an end to the Muslim Ottoman Caliphate in 1924. The song continues from there and the record will continue to play as soon as the electric surge is back until the needle comes to a screeching halt when Christ comes.
Dabiq is in the Hadith ISIS always recites:
“The Final Hour (of history) will not be established until the Romans land at either al-A’maq or at Dabiq (two places along the current Syria/ Turkey border). Then an army from al-Madinah of the best people on the earth at that time will leave for them.”
And this is why they want to draw the western (Roman) coalition into Dabiq (Syria). Dabiq proves their prophecy which they want to be the sacrificial lambs that ushers Turkey and the Ottomans who want a repeat of Dabiq and is why they open their nation to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in which Qaradawi announced the establishement of the Caliphate will be in Istanbul.
The “Hour of Resurrection” in the view of ISIS and the Ottomans cannot come until the ‘Romans’ (Christian Westerners) land forces in Dabiq, an area near Aleppo in northwestern Syria. According to Muslim eschatology as recounted in Dabiq, this sets up the great battle, or “Final Confrontation” of what they term “Al-Malhama Al-Kubra” (meaning The Great Battle) in which Muslim forces will triumph in the end against the Romans (Europeans and Americans).
Dabiq is why Turkey supports ISIS in order to revive their neo-Ottoman dream and heal that old mortal wound to revive the sick/dead man of Europe..
Entering the mind of your enemy is key not only to defeat him, but to understand how they manipulate the masses to follow them. ISIS just released this recruiting video telling all Muslims to obey what Allah commanded in the chapter of repentance Surat al-Tawba. They are telling Muslims worldwide to “go forth in the cause of Allah” and fight in Jihad killing. They are telling them to choose between earth and heaven. They are telling them “If you do not go forth [fighting in Jihad] He [Allah] will punish you with a painful punishment”:
The Muslim recites the verses as if it is the wonderful Catholic Praefatio Paschalis:
The Praefatio Paschalis says:
“It it truly meet and just, right and for our salvation, at all times to praise Thee, O Lord, but more gloriously especially this day when Christ our Pasch (Passover) was sacrificed. For He is the Lamb Who hath taken away the sins of the world: Who by dying hath destroyed our death: and by rising again hath restored us to life. And therefore with Angels and Archangels, with Thrones and Dominations, and with all the hosts of the heavenly army, we sing the hymn of Thy glory, evermore saying…”
Where the Catholic was strong prior to Vatican II, the Muslim still kept in his chant mimicking Catholics by similarly reciting the Quran while they reversed everything upside down with the spirit behind the Praefatio Paschalis in which they tell the Muslim to shed the ******* of others until their ******* is shed. They choose this for salvation instead of believing in the ******* of the Lamb of God.
It is why Islam as John the Revelator described, looks like a lamb, has two horns (two divided power pegs, Sunni and Shiite) but speaks like a dragon (Revelation 13:11) which John predicted will revive the first beast (seventh kingdom/Ottoman) whose “deadly wound was healed” (Revelation 13:12).
It looks as if it is a lamb but like a scorpion, the Muslim stings and inserts the very heresy the Catholic fought militarily against for centuries, that is of what Paul warned, the Arian heresy calling Christians to deny ******* and ******* and to ******* who refuse to bow to their image. They rob from the Catholic true theological concepts from martyrdom to militarism, twist it for aggression instead of defense and while they denounce paganism as the Catholic denounced the Aztecs they reverse it to attack the Christian and the Jew. There are no combinations of tricks that the devil does not use.
But even Islam teaches that the West will be victorious:
You should know that prior to this great battle between the Christian and the Muslim, the Christian will gain booty when they take all the lands of the Muslims.
The followers of satan who understands the scoop way more than humans, even knows that the Christians will be victorious in which the Muslim prophecy teacher springboards that the victory is not yet, but way into the end. The Muslim is set up not only for defeat, he is deceived until the end.
The story of Dabiq ends in Syria as Isaiah 17 predicted and the Muslims are crushed in Damascus. We already see the beginning signs for the destruction of Damascus when we witness the embryo forming with the influx of refugees from Syria to Jordan as predicted by the prophet Amos:
“I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.” (Amos 1:5)
Damascus: Key city in End Times Prophecy
Aven is Damascus today and Damascus is also literally mentioned here by name. Besides Lebanon, Syrians are leaving by the droves into Jordan and precisely “unto Kir” which is Kir-Moab (Isaiah 15:1). Today that region is called Kerak (see Gesenius Lexicon).
UNHCR Map showing Syrian Refugee Influx
UNHCR Map of Jordan Showing Syrian Refugee Influx into Jordan
When we review both the ancient map and the statistics of the recent influx of Syrian refugees into Jordan we find that over a half million Syrians already fled to “the borders of the land of Moab now called Kerrek. [Karak]”.
To set the Muslim to destruction, the Muslim is told to “continue until the end” and only then they will gain the victory.
The same deception goes for the Islamic prophecies regarding Jerusalem. The Muslim is told that he will be victorious when in Zechariah 12, 14, the Christian and the Jew are told they will obtain victory as the Messiah will descend on the Mount of Olives.
It is time for Christians to get into the mind of their enemies whom God ordained us to defeat. Do not be the lazy servant who says “Jesus will take care of everything in His garden” forgetting that He set you to care for it. So get involved for we are to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves and while He tarries, we continue producing fruit.
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Dabiq No2.
'From amongst the polluted ideologies that have afflicted people the entire world over through- out the course of the tyranny carried out by the forces of kufr, is the notion that the people can choose whether to follow the truth or to em- bark upon falsehood. This ideology teaches that no one has the right, regardless of whom he may be, to impose any creed or set of morals on anyone else even if that creed or set of morals is the truth revealed by Allah. They went to the extent of attributing this “methodology of free choice” to the religion of Allah ta’ālā, and to the call of the prophets, peace be upon them.
The proponents of this ideology have portrayed the prophets of Allah incorrectly, making them out to be more akin to preachers and guides who have no authority over the masses at all or, at best, like political guides or opposition party leaders with a message that opposes their peoples’ principles. These same people further portray the prophets as having only one tool at their disposal for changing the beliefs of their people and era. This tool is what is referred to today as a “peaceful means of change.” It entails displaying their methodology to the people and leaving them to choose for themselves, without any sort of pressure or ******* used against them, even if the other methodologies in question stand in complete contradiction to the methodology of the prophets and also oppose those “diplomats” who are pleased with giving the people a choice!
Then, when a group within the Ummah woke up and rejected this twisted methodology of giving people the choice between absolute truth and complete falsehood, the members of this group were stained by this polluted ideology, except for those whom Allah had mercy upon. This group believed that the people had a choice between right and wrong, but within the confines of the “truth”! In other words, they sufficed with removing blatant kufr from the field of choice and with letting different types of bid’ah and nifāq remain as valid options – bid’ah and nifāq whose true nature many Muslims can’t distinguish. They even believed some of the bid’ah and nifāq in question to be directly from the Sunnah, and anything apart from that to be extremism and excessiveness in the religion.
These new proponents of choice had forgotten that many of the Ummah who held onto the name Islam had left through their deeds much of Islam’s attributes. Therefore, giving the people choice was no longer a possibility in this new state of affairs. Rather, the guiding principle became that every time choice is allowed it will result in misguidance, either in the present or in the future.'
So in other words. Freedom of choice to chose between the truth and falsehood is only allowed with the concept of the truth. But whose truth? From where do you draw the knowledge and perception of truth if not from the truth its self? Whose perception is the truth, especially when both sides claim it has it on their side? And what does it have to do with the concept and issue of terrorism as a whole.
Good question.
In any conflict whether they are civil insurrection, global terrorism, or a dispute between land locked countries over a perceived slight by one or the other is the truth. Experts say that the truth should be simple and directly proportionate to the message one is trying to convey. Yet why is it then, that so many variations of the truth are often quoted as being the only truth? Perception and belief. It really is that simple. Ones beliefs, whether religious, political or personal often have a profound effect on how the truth is perceived. Often clouding the real truth of the matter by allowing prejudices to dictate and form an opinion regardless of whether it is factual or not.
Here's a article from Sputnink It actually poses some interesting questions. Once again its posted in its whole so the lazy on here don't have to google.
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If Left Undefeated, Could Daesh Spread Throughout the Middle East?
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Middle East
18:13 08.12.2015(updated 21:14 08.12.2015) Get short URL
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With Daesh's defeat on the open battlefield now considered more and more to be a matter of time, experts are left to ponder a disturbing question: what will happen to the jihadists' tens of thousands of fighters once the self-proclaimed caliphate is defeated and they are ****** to flee Syria and Iraq?
© AFP 2015/ TIZIANA FABI
Iran Nobel Peace Prize Winner Urges 'Fight Against the Roots of Terrorism'
Asked to provide their insight on what may become of the Daesh (ISIL/ISIS) and other radical jihadist fighters operating in Syria and Iraq following the self-proclaimed Daesh caliphate's defeat, Syrian experts speaking to Sputnik offered their predictions.
Sabit Muhammed, a military analyst and retired Syrian general, recalled that the ideological roots of the radical jihadists are based in recent history. "Daesh is one of dozens of similar organizations –an outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. A part of its fighters are well-trained, experienced soldiers, who participated in military operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Their numbers range from 150 to 200 thousand men."
"The exact figures," Muhammed noted, "are very difficult to determine, because the organization regularly receives new members, or sees small groups breaking off from it."
Daesh's main source of funding, the expert recalled, remains the illegal sale of oil and antiquities, with Gulf States supplying the terrorist group with additional funds and weaponry. "The Turkish-Syrian border has remained open since the start of the Syrian crisis. Daesh trades in stolen oil, plundered historical and cultural treasures, rare manuscripts, and human organs via Turkey and Lebanon, with international smuggling gangs serving as mediators."
© AFP 2015/ Satin Hamed
Firepower Bonanza: Daesh Weapons Stash Linked to UK, US Arms Deals
"Furthermore," Muhammed noted, "Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some other Gulf countries assist Daesh with money and weapons. We have some details about Daesh's resources: they have over 45,000 Toyota SUVs and other vehicles. Each month, Syrian Daesh mercenaries are paid $1,200; foreigners — $2,500; suicide bombers —$5,000."
According to the expert, "the total monthly expenditures of the terror group, when one takes the cost of weapons, ammunition and food into account, are upwards of one billion dollars."
"Daesh's weapons arsenal," Muhammed explained, "includes all kinds of weapons, from anti-tank guns to automatic rifles. Part of the weapons made it into the jihadists' hands as a result of fighting with the Syrian and Iraqi armies. Moreover, in Ukraine and Libya, there is a large black market with literally hundreds of thousands of weapons, purchased and sent to Daesh via Saudi Arabia and Qatar."
"In this way," the military expert noted, "there is a whole range of countries by which Daesh is replenished with weapons, money and recruits. After Syria, these countries…could send surviving Daesh militants to Yemen, Libya, the Sinai Peninsula or North Africa to conduct their proxy wars there."
© AP Photo/ File
Leaked Documents Detail How Daesh is Running Occupied Syria, Iraq
Speaking with Sputnik, Yarub Girbek, a well-known Syrian journalist and creator of a documentary film about Daesh, emphasized that media attention toward Daesh must not prevent people from realizing the gravity of the jihadist threat on the whole. "At the moment," he noted, "the whole world is focused on discussing Daesh, even though the group is far from being the only radical jihadist group which poses a threat."
Daesh's military capabilities, according to the journalist, must not be underestimated. "Daesh finds nourishment in religious dogma…The organization is highly skilled in using modern technologies to put psychological pressure on the masses. It changes its tactics rapidly. Today, mass military strikes are the only way to deal with Daesh; however, this is not enough to completely destroy it. Despite the fact that Daesh emerged as an offshoot of al-Qaeda, its organizational structure differs significantly" from that of its older brother.
This, according to Girbek, means that "conducting a military campaign against an organization like Daesh is very difficult. Here's why: the US, Russia and other countries are conducting airstrikes against Daesh positions in Raqqa; when this occurs, militants abandon their checkpoints, and hide in the city, mixing with the urban population. For example, they could take up 2-3 apartments in 5-6 apartment house; therefore, without a ground operation, Raqqa cannot be freed of militants."
"Moreover," the journalist explained, "Daesh has become a subject of bargaining and manipulation. Fighters [from other jihadist groups] who are unsatisfied with conditions within their groups join Daesh, which offers better material conditions and higher pay. Inside Syria and outside of it, there is a wide group of people who reap substantial benefits from this trade. Therefore, to the question of 'where the jihadists will head tomorrow', it is, at least for now, impossible to provide an exact answer."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...esh-future-military-defeat.html#ixzz3viOtND6y
'From amongst the polluted ideologies that have afflicted people the entire world over through- out the course of the tyranny carried out by the forces of kufr, is the notion that the people can choose whether to follow the truth or to em- bark upon falsehood. This ideology teaches that no one has the right, regardless of whom he may be, to impose any creed or set of morals on anyone else even if that creed or set of morals is the truth revealed by Allah. They went to the extent of attributing this “methodology of free choice” to the religion of Allah ta’ālā, and to the call of the prophets, peace be upon them.
The proponents of this ideology have portrayed the prophets of Allah incorrectly, making them out to be more akin to preachers and guides who have no authority over the masses at all or, at best, like political guides or opposition party leaders with a message that opposes their peoples’ principles. These same people further portray the prophets as having only one tool at their disposal for changing the beliefs of their people and era. This tool is what is referred to today as a “peaceful means of change.” It entails displaying their methodology to the people and leaving them to choose for themselves, without any sort of pressure or ******* used against them, even if the other methodologies in question stand in complete contradiction to the methodology of the prophets and also oppose those “diplomats” who are pleased with giving the people a choice!
Then, when a group within the Ummah woke up and rejected this twisted methodology of giving people the choice between absolute truth and complete falsehood, the members of this group were stained by this polluted ideology, except for those whom Allah had mercy upon. This group believed that the people had a choice between right and wrong, but within the confines of the “truth”! In other words, they sufficed with removing blatant kufr from the field of choice and with letting different types of bid’ah and nifāq remain as valid options – bid’ah and nifāq whose true nature many Muslims can’t distinguish. They even believed some of the bid’ah and nifāq in question to be directly from the Sunnah, and anything apart from that to be extremism and excessiveness in the religion.
These new proponents of choice had forgotten that many of the Ummah who held onto the name Islam had left through their deeds much of Islam’s attributes. Therefore, giving the people choice was no longer a possibility in this new state of affairs. Rather, the guiding principle became that every time choice is allowed it will result in misguidance, either in the present or in the future.'
So in other words. Freedom of choice to chose between the truth and falsehood is only allowed with the concept of the truth. But whose truth? From where do you draw the knowledge and perception of truth if not from the truth its self? Whose perception is the truth, especially when both sides claim it has it on their side? And what does it have to do with the concept and issue of terrorism as a whole.
Good question.
In any conflict whether they are civil insurrection, global terrorism, or a dispute between land locked countries over a perceived slight by one or the other is the truth. Experts say that the truth should be simple and directly proportionate to the message one is trying to convey. Yet why is it then, that so many variations of the truth are often quoted as being the only truth? Perception and belief. It really is that simple. Ones beliefs, whether religious, political or personal often have a profound effect on how the truth is perceived. Often clouding the real truth of the matter by allowing prejudices to dictate and form an opinion regardless of whether it is factual or not.
Here's a article from Sputnink It actually poses some interesting questions. Once again its posted in its whole so the lazy on here don't have to google.
'
If Left Undefeated, Could Daesh Spread Throughout the Middle East?
© AP Photo/ File
Middle East
18:13 08.12.2015(updated 21:14 08.12.2015) Get short URL
112896180
With Daesh's defeat on the open battlefield now considered more and more to be a matter of time, experts are left to ponder a disturbing question: what will happen to the jihadists' tens of thousands of fighters once the self-proclaimed caliphate is defeated and they are ****** to flee Syria and Iraq?
© AFP 2015/ TIZIANA FABI
Iran Nobel Peace Prize Winner Urges 'Fight Against the Roots of Terrorism'
Asked to provide their insight on what may become of the Daesh (ISIL/ISIS) and other radical jihadist fighters operating in Syria and Iraq following the self-proclaimed Daesh caliphate's defeat, Syrian experts speaking to Sputnik offered their predictions.
Sabit Muhammed, a military analyst and retired Syrian general, recalled that the ideological roots of the radical jihadists are based in recent history. "Daesh is one of dozens of similar organizations –an outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. A part of its fighters are well-trained, experienced soldiers, who participated in military operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Their numbers range from 150 to 200 thousand men."
"The exact figures," Muhammed noted, "are very difficult to determine, because the organization regularly receives new members, or sees small groups breaking off from it."
Daesh's main source of funding, the expert recalled, remains the illegal sale of oil and antiquities, with Gulf States supplying the terrorist group with additional funds and weaponry. "The Turkish-Syrian border has remained open since the start of the Syrian crisis. Daesh trades in stolen oil, plundered historical and cultural treasures, rare manuscripts, and human organs via Turkey and Lebanon, with international smuggling gangs serving as mediators."
© AFP 2015/ Satin Hamed
Firepower Bonanza: Daesh Weapons Stash Linked to UK, US Arms Deals
"Furthermore," Muhammed noted, "Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some other Gulf countries assist Daesh with money and weapons. We have some details about Daesh's resources: they have over 45,000 Toyota SUVs and other vehicles. Each month, Syrian Daesh mercenaries are paid $1,200; foreigners — $2,500; suicide bombers —$5,000."
According to the expert, "the total monthly expenditures of the terror group, when one takes the cost of weapons, ammunition and food into account, are upwards of one billion dollars."
"Daesh's weapons arsenal," Muhammed explained, "includes all kinds of weapons, from anti-tank guns to automatic rifles. Part of the weapons made it into the jihadists' hands as a result of fighting with the Syrian and Iraqi armies. Moreover, in Ukraine and Libya, there is a large black market with literally hundreds of thousands of weapons, purchased and sent to Daesh via Saudi Arabia and Qatar."
"In this way," the military expert noted, "there is a whole range of countries by which Daesh is replenished with weapons, money and recruits. After Syria, these countries…could send surviving Daesh militants to Yemen, Libya, the Sinai Peninsula or North Africa to conduct their proxy wars there."
© AP Photo/ File
Leaked Documents Detail How Daesh is Running Occupied Syria, Iraq
Speaking with Sputnik, Yarub Girbek, a well-known Syrian journalist and creator of a documentary film about Daesh, emphasized that media attention toward Daesh must not prevent people from realizing the gravity of the jihadist threat on the whole. "At the moment," he noted, "the whole world is focused on discussing Daesh, even though the group is far from being the only radical jihadist group which poses a threat."
Daesh's military capabilities, according to the journalist, must not be underestimated. "Daesh finds nourishment in religious dogma…The organization is highly skilled in using modern technologies to put psychological pressure on the masses. It changes its tactics rapidly. Today, mass military strikes are the only way to deal with Daesh; however, this is not enough to completely destroy it. Despite the fact that Daesh emerged as an offshoot of al-Qaeda, its organizational structure differs significantly" from that of its older brother.
This, according to Girbek, means that "conducting a military campaign against an organization like Daesh is very difficult. Here's why: the US, Russia and other countries are conducting airstrikes against Daesh positions in Raqqa; when this occurs, militants abandon their checkpoints, and hide in the city, mixing with the urban population. For example, they could take up 2-3 apartments in 5-6 apartment house; therefore, without a ground operation, Raqqa cannot be freed of militants."
"Moreover," the journalist explained, "Daesh has become a subject of bargaining and manipulation. Fighters [from other jihadist groups] who are unsatisfied with conditions within their groups join Daesh, which offers better material conditions and higher pay. Inside Syria and outside of it, there is a wide group of people who reap substantial benefits from this trade. Therefore, to the question of 'where the jihadists will head tomorrow', it is, at least for now, impossible to provide an exact answer."
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...esh-future-military-defeat.html#ixzz3viOtND6y
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Why ISIS Is Not, In Fact, Islamic
by Igor Volsky
& Jack Jenkins Sep 11, 2014 9:44 am Updated: Nov 14, 2015 11:49 am
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/11/3566181/why-isis-is-in-fact-not-islamic/
CREDIT: AP Photo, File
In this June 16, 2014 file photo, demonstrators chant pro-Islamic State group, slogans as they carry the group's flags in front of the provincial government headquarters in Mosul, 225 miles (360 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad.
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[This post was originally published on September 11, 2014, but it’s worth revisiting in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris, which killed over 100 people and for which ISIS claimed responsibility.]
Conservatives reacted harshly to President Obama’s claim on Wednesday night that the Islamic State in Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) “is not Islamic,” accusing the commander-in-chief of naiveté and ignorance. “What kindergartner briefs the President on terrorism?” Ron Christie, a GOP strategist tweeted. “ISIS says it’s Islamic, lots of people say it’s Islamic, only the president won’t,” George Will told Fox News shortly after the speech.
But the full context of Obama’s remark points to an important distinction between Islam and the extremist ideology that’s sweeping parts of Iraq and Syria. “No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim,” Obama said. “ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.”
Indeed, even from the viewpoint of a casual observer, ISIS is an abomination to Islam. Explosions tend to capture the media’s attention more than peaceful coexistence, and a minuscule minority of extremist groups claiming to be Islamic have exploited this fact as a way to reinvent Islam as a “violent” religion. But just because you shout God’s name while committing ******* doesn’t make your actions righteous. Islam, as millions of Muslims can attest, is a peaceful religion that calls on its followers to choose community over conflict, or, as it says in Surah al-Hujurat of the Qur’an (49:13): “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise [each other]).”
Even from the viewpoint of a casual observer, ISIS is an abomination to Islam.
But ISIS clearly has little regard for this or other fundamental tenets of Islam. They have sparked the rage of Iraqi Muslims by carelessly blowing up copies of the Qur’an, and they have killed their fellow Muslims, be they Sunni or Shia. Even extremist Muslims who engage in warfare have strict rules of engagement and prohibitions against harming women and children, but ISIS has opted to ignore even this by slaughtering innocent youth and using ******* and sexual slavery as a weapon.
And despite the conservative backlash, Obama’s analysis has received support from an unlikely voice: Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY). During an appearance on Fox News’ Hannity, the potential 2016 presidential candidate, praised the president for differentiating ISIS ideology from the beliefs of Muslims in America and around the world. “Well, I think there was one important point that he was making about them not being Islamic or a form of true Islam,” he said. “I think it is important not only to the American public but for the world and the Islamic world to point out this is not a true form of Islam. This is an aberrant form that should not represent most of the civilized Islamic world.”
It’s always a tricky business decrying a religious tradition that is not your own.
Granted, it’s always a tricky business decrying a religious tradition that is not your own. Also, while many faiths have internal hierarchies with judges that decide what is or isn’t proper behavior, Islam is a decentralized religious tradition that — as much as ISIS claims otherwise — lacks a single religious authority. But just as the diverse collective of Protestant Christians listen to each other, the opinion of a broader Islamic community always matters, and President Obama’s condemnation of ISIS is backed up by a global chorus of Muslim voices that are working to rebuke the group’s claim on Islam. Virtually every single American Muslim organization has publicly disavowed both the ideology and the practices of ISIS, and just hours before Obama’s address, dozens of Muslim American clerics and community leaders distanced their religion from the beliefs of the terrorist extremists. “ISIS and al Qaeda represent a warped religious ideology,” Faizal Khan, imam of the Islamic Society of America mosque in Silver Spring, said during a press conference with Muslim-American leaders from Indonesia, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Sudan and Trinidad. “Either we reject this violence in the clearest possible terms, or we allow them to become the face of Islam and the world’s perception of us for years to come.”
Countless Islamic groups around the globe have also vehemently rejected ISIS. French Imams are blasting the militant group from their pulpits. Britian’s largest Mosque has declared them “Un-Islamic.” Sunni and Shia clerics in Iraq have distributed a fatwa to nearly 50,000 mosques announcing that ISIS is “not in any way linked to [the Muslim] faith” and warning that failing to stand up against the group is effectively a sin. Even Egypt’s Grand Mufti has lambasted the group, and Dar al-Ifta, one of the most influential Muslim schools in the world, has launched a global campaign to strike the word “Islamic” from ISIS’s title, seeking to rebrand it as “al-Qaeda Separatists in Iraq and Syria,” or QSIS, saying the organization has “tarnished image of Islam across the globe.”
As one Libyan tweeted: “If you think Muslims aren’t condemning ISIS, it’s not because Muslims aren’t condemning ISIS. It’s because you’re not listening to Muslims.”
This issue, of course, isn’t unique to Islam. The Ku Klux Klan burns crosses and preaches hate in the name of Jesus Christ, and the ostensibly Christian “Lord’s Resistance Army” regularly ravages villages and recruits baby soldiers in Western Africa. Hindu extremists burned mosques and sparked violence in India in the 1990s. Buddhist extremists exist, and are spewing hatred in several parts of Asia. But in all of these cases, the vast majority of believers worked or are working to disavow the actions of fanatics and preserve the core, peaceful principles of their faith — just as Muslims are now doing with ISIS.
Ultimately, the decision of whether or not one is or isn’t religious is left up to God. But we are all tasked with religious life here on earth, where the opinion of a religious community should matter, and Muslims the world over have made their position clear: No matter how many people they ******* to gain power, how many fellow Muslims they terrorize into submission, or how loudly they scream their self-righteous blasphemy to the heavens, ISIS is not — nor will ever be — Islamic.
by Igor Volsky
& Jack Jenkins Sep 11, 2014 9:44 am Updated: Nov 14, 2015 11:49 amhttp://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/11/3566181/why-isis-is-in-fact-not-islamic/
CREDIT: AP Photo, File
In this June 16, 2014 file photo, demonstrators chant pro-Islamic State group, slogans as they carry the group's flags in front of the provincial government headquarters in Mosul, 225 miles (360 kilometers) northwest of Baghdad.
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[This post was originally published on September 11, 2014, but it’s worth revisiting in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris, which killed over 100 people and for which ISIS claimed responsibility.]
Conservatives reacted harshly to President Obama’s claim on Wednesday night that the Islamic State in Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) “is not Islamic,” accusing the commander-in-chief of naiveté and ignorance. “What kindergartner briefs the President on terrorism?” Ron Christie, a GOP strategist tweeted. “ISIS says it’s Islamic, lots of people say it’s Islamic, only the president won’t,” George Will told Fox News shortly after the speech.
But the full context of Obama’s remark points to an important distinction between Islam and the extremist ideology that’s sweeping parts of Iraq and Syria. “No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim,” Obama said. “ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.”
Indeed, even from the viewpoint of a casual observer, ISIS is an abomination to Islam. Explosions tend to capture the media’s attention more than peaceful coexistence, and a minuscule minority of extremist groups claiming to be Islamic have exploited this fact as a way to reinvent Islam as a “violent” religion. But just because you shout God’s name while committing ******* doesn’t make your actions righteous. Islam, as millions of Muslims can attest, is a peaceful religion that calls on its followers to choose community over conflict, or, as it says in Surah al-Hujurat of the Qur’an (49:13): “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise [each other]).”
Even from the viewpoint of a casual observer, ISIS is an abomination to Islam.
But ISIS clearly has little regard for this or other fundamental tenets of Islam. They have sparked the rage of Iraqi Muslims by carelessly blowing up copies of the Qur’an, and they have killed their fellow Muslims, be they Sunni or Shia. Even extremist Muslims who engage in warfare have strict rules of engagement and prohibitions against harming women and children, but ISIS has opted to ignore even this by slaughtering innocent youth and using ******* and sexual slavery as a weapon.
And despite the conservative backlash, Obama’s analysis has received support from an unlikely voice: Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY). During an appearance on Fox News’ Hannity, the potential 2016 presidential candidate, praised the president for differentiating ISIS ideology from the beliefs of Muslims in America and around the world. “Well, I think there was one important point that he was making about them not being Islamic or a form of true Islam,” he said. “I think it is important not only to the American public but for the world and the Islamic world to point out this is not a true form of Islam. This is an aberrant form that should not represent most of the civilized Islamic world.”
It’s always a tricky business decrying a religious tradition that is not your own.
Granted, it’s always a tricky business decrying a religious tradition that is not your own. Also, while many faiths have internal hierarchies with judges that decide what is or isn’t proper behavior, Islam is a decentralized religious tradition that — as much as ISIS claims otherwise — lacks a single religious authority. But just as the diverse collective of Protestant Christians listen to each other, the opinion of a broader Islamic community always matters, and President Obama’s condemnation of ISIS is backed up by a global chorus of Muslim voices that are working to rebuke the group’s claim on Islam. Virtually every single American Muslim organization has publicly disavowed both the ideology and the practices of ISIS, and just hours before Obama’s address, dozens of Muslim American clerics and community leaders distanced their religion from the beliefs of the terrorist extremists. “ISIS and al Qaeda represent a warped religious ideology,” Faizal Khan, imam of the Islamic Society of America mosque in Silver Spring, said during a press conference with Muslim-American leaders from Indonesia, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Sudan and Trinidad. “Either we reject this violence in the clearest possible terms, or we allow them to become the face of Islam and the world’s perception of us for years to come.”
Countless Islamic groups around the globe have also vehemently rejected ISIS. French Imams are blasting the militant group from their pulpits. Britian’s largest Mosque has declared them “Un-Islamic.” Sunni and Shia clerics in Iraq have distributed a fatwa to nearly 50,000 mosques announcing that ISIS is “not in any way linked to [the Muslim] faith” and warning that failing to stand up against the group is effectively a sin. Even Egypt’s Grand Mufti has lambasted the group, and Dar al-Ifta, one of the most influential Muslim schools in the world, has launched a global campaign to strike the word “Islamic” from ISIS’s title, seeking to rebrand it as “al-Qaeda Separatists in Iraq and Syria,” or QSIS, saying the organization has “tarnished image of Islam across the globe.”
As one Libyan tweeted: “If you think Muslims aren’t condemning ISIS, it’s not because Muslims aren’t condemning ISIS. It’s because you’re not listening to Muslims.”
This issue, of course, isn’t unique to Islam. The Ku Klux Klan burns crosses and preaches hate in the name of Jesus Christ, and the ostensibly Christian “Lord’s Resistance Army” regularly ravages villages and recruits baby soldiers in Western Africa. Hindu extremists burned mosques and sparked violence in India in the 1990s. Buddhist extremists exist, and are spewing hatred in several parts of Asia. But in all of these cases, the vast majority of believers worked or are working to disavow the actions of fanatics and preserve the core, peaceful principles of their faith — just as Muslims are now doing with ISIS.
Ultimately, the decision of whether or not one is or isn’t religious is left up to God. But we are all tasked with religious life here on earth, where the opinion of a religious community should matter, and Muslims the world over have made their position clear: No matter how many people they ******* to gain power, how many fellow Muslims they terrorize into submission, or how loudly they scream their self-righteous blasphemy to the heavens, ISIS is not — nor will ever be — Islamic.
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Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again
posted by Hesham A. Hassaballa
In the Name of God: the Infinitely Merciful and Compassionate Lord
A very common, oft-repeated mantra among pundits and “experts” is that Muslims haven’t roundly condemned the extremism committed in Islam’s name. So many times, we hear people saying, “Where are the Muslim voices in condemnation?” “Why aren’t Muslims speaking up against extremists like ISIS?”
Well, the fact is, Muslims have been speaking out against ISIS and other extremist groups. The problem is, some times, people either don’t know or choose not to know this fact. Enter in this excellent post by Media Matters For America, which documents the round condemnation of ISIS by Muslim groups all across the world:
The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “****** deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” According to the Vatican:
The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’ [Vatican Radio, 7/25/14]
Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.” [The Daily Star, 8/13/14]
Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.” [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14]
Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:
“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,” Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.
“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”
Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14]
CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”:
We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts.
The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions.
We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones. [Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14]
The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.” [The Independent, 7/11/14]
The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.” [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14]
100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.” (Please see below)
Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:
Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims. [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14]
Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.” [Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14]
So, the next time you hear someone say, “Few Muslim voices have condemned ISIS or any other extremist group,” know that this statement is clearly not true.
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Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again
posted by Hesham A. Hassaballa
In the Name of God: the Infinitely Merciful and Compassionate Lord
A very common, oft-repeated mantra among pundits and “experts” is that Muslims haven’t roundly condemned the extremism committed in Islam’s name. So many times, we hear people saying, “Where are the Muslim voices in condemnation?” “Why aren’t Muslims speaking up against extremists like ISIS?”
Well, the fact is, Muslims have been speaking out against ISIS and other extremist groups. The problem is, some times, people either don’t know or choose not to know this fact. Enter in this excellent post by Media Matters For America, which documents the round condemnation of ISIS by Muslim groups all across the world:
The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “****** deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” According to the Vatican:
The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’ [Vatican Radio, 7/25/14]
Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.” [The Daily Star, 8/13/14]
Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.” [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14]
Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:
“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,” Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.
“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”
Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14]
CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”:
We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts.
The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions.
We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones. [Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14]
The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.” [The Independent, 7/11/14]
The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.” [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14]
100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.” (Please see below)
Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:
Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims. [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14]
Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.” [Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14]
So, the next time you hear someone say, “Few Muslim voices have condemned ISIS or any other extremist group,” know that this statement is clearly not true.
Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists...ned-isis-think-again.html#8IrSoctTbQXlPSOC.99
In my opinion, I think we as Americans should focus more into what is going inside the states and not the Middle eastern. When we do something even for the goodness of the heart, there will those who will be effected by it and we will get a backlash. Plus there is a lot ******* going on in our country like School Shootings, police ******* and more.
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The problem is if we take the "head in the sand" approach, we eventually get 9/11. I would much rather fight them over there, then try to find them over here, mixed in amongst our citizens. The border is a sieve. The DHS is, for the most part, a joke and couldn't find a weapon on someone if you stood up and showed it in your hands (They are more concerned with nail clippers). It would be extremely easy for ISIS to smuggle suicide squads into this country with faked papers, especially if the President gets his way with an influx of muslim refugees who have been screened according to the ever so stringent degree required by INS.
bm, I thought I was quite clear, there, ... " Only reason so much is being made of international terrorists coming here is because it buys the Republicans a platform besides their Trickle Down ". And that IS the case ... they have no other platform to scare voters with ... they demonize everything Obama does, saying he's taking terrorism too lightly. International terrorism is only being dwelled heavily on by Republicans to scare people to believe Obama doesn't care and they need to be afraid of international terrorists.
I can appreciate your irritation to that source I used, but my intention was to draw attention to a bigger concern for home grown terrorists vs international terrorists, that's all. I could care less what color the perpetrators were ... if the writer of the article got something incorrect, my apologies, but terrorism in the US is growing and it isn't Muslims necessarily doing the killings ... they're US citizens pissed off at some faction of our government ... abortion clinics, etc.
By the way, this past Christmas week in my county of NC, we had 3 new murders by guns ... arrested, 4 black males, and one of the victims was a 3 year old baby, black girl, being held by her mom when the baby was struck and killed on Christmas EVE ... she died yesterday. They believe all 3 murders were ******* or gang related.
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