Wake Up, America! Wake Up! PLEASE!!

[ed4mwf]

So you've changed your story from the word is unacceptable "period" to it's a matter of context and "never OK in a heated exchange" . That's reasonable...shame you didn't state that at first instead of saying it is unacceptable "period"

So why don't we do a little dive into the "context" which prompted all this?

Twobi replied to Subby regarding his opinion on appropriate levels of quarantining/distancing vs the spread & risk of the virus. I don't see anything heated in either of their posts. Here's Twobi's:


You then inserted youself into the conversation, replying to Twobi's post. Your post wasn't heated either, other than a tiny bit in the last sentence where you called Twobi's thinking "ignorant" followed by saying "that's a Trumper for ya."



Twobi then replied to your post with what seems to be a generally calm response. Here's Twobi's reply (with the stricken words reinserted in italics for purpose of context)



When this clearly became a "heated exchange" was when you replied to Twobi's post with:





In post 13523 you cited my quote from Blkcumsheavy where he called me a "BITCH ASS WHITE BOI". That wasn't part of an exchange, heated or otherwise...it was an unsolicited PM. You instead of acknowledging the blatant racism in it, stated "Personal affront, is not a racist attack." You now excuse it away as an attempt to sissify, ignoring the bitch ass white portion, and ignoring the other quote I gave you where he spelled it as boy. He's also called me "BITCH ASS WHITE BOY" in several other unsolicited PMs. You pretend you don't understand. Yet I bet you do and excuse away his blatant racism.

Try calling one of your white coworkers in corporate america a "BITCH ASS WHITE BOI"...I'm looking forward to hearing you convince HR that isn't a racist statement here in realityland.

So sorry I called you out for your multiple examples now of hypocrisy;...and for lying about what I said.

I'll gladly accept your apology now for lying about what I said and also for calling or implying I'm a racist.

The only hypocrisy is that you two come on a site like this and cry about being called out for who you are.
Maya Angelou: 'When People Show You Who They Are, Believe Them' or,
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then you can be sure it's not a flux capacitor.

 

[ed4mwf]

What a Prolonged Shutdown Will Cost in Human Life | RealClearPolitics

Ezekiel Emanuel, adviser to presidential candidate Joe Biden and Obamacare architect, just called for a 12-to-18-month lockdown to battle COVID-19, asking us...

www.realclearpolitics.com

Nice opinion piece from RCP. I like their gathering of polls and data.

General Election: Trump vs. Biden

Polling Data

Poll	Date	Sample	MoE	Biden (D)	Trump (R)	Spread
RCP Average	4/2 - 4/16	--	--	48.3	42.5	Biden +5.8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	4/13 - 4/15	900 RV	3.3	49	42	Biden +7
Harvard-Harris	4/14 - 4/16	LV	--	53	47	Biden +6
Economist/YouGov	4/12 - 4/14	1166 RV	3.4	48	43	Biden +5
Monmouth	4/3 - 4/7	743 RV	3.6	48	44	Biden +4
FOX News	4/4 - 4/7	1107 RV	3.0	42	42	Tie
CNBC	4/3 - 4/6	604 RV	4.0	44	39	Biden +5
CNN	4/3 - 4/6	875 RV	3.9	53	42	Biden +11
Quinnipiac	4/2 - 4/6	2077 RV	2.2	49	41	Biden +8

Don't forget 45's approval numbers (or consistent disapproval):


President Trump Job Approval

Polling Data

Poll	Date	Sample	Approve	Disapprove	Spread
RCP Average	4/1 - 4/20	--	45.8	51.1	-5.3
Rasmussen Reports	4/16 - 4/20	1500 LV	44	55	-11
Harvard-Harris	4/14 - 4/16	2394 RV	49	51	-2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	4/13 - 4/15	900 RV	46	51	-5
Reuters/Ipsos	4/13 - 4/14	937 RV	46	51	-5
Economist/YouGov	4/12 - 4/14	1166 RV	45	53	-8
The Hill/HarrisX	4/10 - 4/13	2854 RV	48	52	-4
Politico/Morning Consult	4/10 - 4/12	1990 RV	45	52	-7
Gallup	4/1 - 4/14	1017 A	43	54	-11
FOX News	4/4 - 4/7	1107 RV	49	49	Tie
Monmouth	4/3 - 4/7	743 RV	46	49	-3
CNBC	4/3 - 4/6	804 A	46	43	+3
CNN	4/3 - 4/6	875 RV	44	53	-9
Quinnipiac	4/2 - 4/6	2077 RV	45	51	-6

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

President Trump Job Approval | Election Other | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[Allforthewifey]

Nice opinion piece from RCP. I like their gathering of polls and data.

General Election: Trump vs. Biden

Polling Data

Poll	Date	Sample	MoE	Biden (D)	Trump (R)	Spread
RCP Average	4/2 - 4/16	--	--	48.3	42.5	Biden +5.8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	4/13 - 4/15	900 RV	3.3	49	42	Biden +7
Harvard-Harris	4/14 - 4/16	LV	--	53	47	Biden +6
Economist/YouGov	4/12 - 4/14	1166 RV	3.4	48	43	Biden +5
Monmouth	4/3 - 4/7	743 RV	3.6	48	44	Biden +4
FOX News	4/4 - 4/7	1107 RV	3.0	42	42	Tie
CNBC	4/3 - 4/6	604 RV	4.0	44	39	Biden +5
CNN	4/3 - 4/6	875 RV	3.9	53	42	Biden +11
Quinnipiac	4/2 - 4/6	2077 RV	2.2	49	41	Biden +8

Don't forget 45's approval numbers (or consistent disapproval):


President Trump Job Approval

Polling Data

Poll	Date	Sample	Approve	Disapprove	Spread
RCP Average	4/1 - 4/20	--	45.8	51.1	-5.3
Rasmussen Reports	4/16 - 4/20	1500 LV	44	55	-11
Harvard-Harris	4/14 - 4/16	2394 RV	49	51	-2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	4/13 - 4/15	900 RV	46	51	-5
Reuters/Ipsos	4/13 - 4/14	937 RV	46	51	-5
Economist/YouGov	4/12 - 4/14	1166 RV	45	53	-8
The Hill/HarrisX	4/10 - 4/13	2854 RV	48	52	-4
Politico/Morning Consult	4/10 - 4/12	1990 RV	45	52	-7
Gallup	4/1 - 4/14	1017 A	43	54	-11
FOX News	4/4 - 4/7	1107 RV	49	49	Tie
Monmouth	4/3 - 4/7	743 RV	46	49	-3
CNBC	4/3 - 4/6	804 A	46	43	+3
CNN	4/3 - 4/6	875 RV	44	53	-9
Quinnipiac	4/2 - 4/6	2077 RV	45	51	-6

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

www.realclearpolitics.com

President Trump Job Approval | Election Other | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

www.realclearpolitics.com

So agree or disagree shutdown kills people

 

[Allforthewifey]

So agree or disagree shutdown kills people

We must count the deaths from shutdowns as well as from coronavirus

Since the coronavirus shutdown began, nearly 17 million Americans have lost their jobs. That’s one-tenth of the nation’s workforce. It’s a public-health disaster. If the shutdown drags on, as many …

nypost.com

The shutdown is killing the economy

We need to be smart about the costs and benefits.

thehill.com

 

[TwoBiFour]

Interesting web site.

WORLD DEATH TOTALS

See leading causes of death in the world displayed in real time with this powerful simulation module.

www.worldlifeexpectancy.com

 

[ed4mwf]

So agree or disagree shutdown kills people

Well, seeing that we are talking about suicide, cancer, domestic violence, and health issues unchecked. YES. People will die during the shutdown. However, without a shutdown, people will die- from Coronavirus.
With the shutdown, people will die of things they have been dying of before.
Without the shutdown, people will be dying of those they died from before, plus, Coronavirus.
What people are going to patron businesses knowing the COVID 19 is still active out there?

 

[Allforthewifey]

Well, seeing that we are talking about suicide, cancer, domestic violence, and health issues unchecked. YES. People will die during the shutdown. However, without a shutdown, people will die- from Coronavirus.
With the shutdown, people will die of things they have been dying of before.
Without the shutdown, people will be dying of those they died from before, plus, Coronavirus.
What people are going to patron businesses knowing the COVID 19 is still active out there?

So why is one life more important. Why should the government decide

 

[TwoBiFour]

So agree or disagree shutdown kills people

These lives don't matter to the left - it's not something that could directly affect them.

 

[Subby]

Interesting web site.

WORLD DEATH TOTALS

See leading causes of death in the world displayed in real time with this powerful simulation module.

www.worldlifeexpectancy.com

Wow, that just shows how dangerous this virus is!

It is killing that many people and most of the world is locked down. I get your point TwoBiFour, imagine how it would be if the virus was left to spread as it would unchecked.

Scary.

 

[ed4mwf]

So why is one life more important. Why should the government decide

It's governments job to make decisions on protecting the public. Handling a pandemic is absolutely governments job.

Either way, we loose lives. Which way will lose the least lives? My position is that by eliminating or at least mitigating one death factor (covid-19) will save the most lives. That's the one we can handle.
However, mass diagnostic testing would at least tell us who can safely be in public and who should continue to shelter in. We don't have to shelter in until a vaccine is found or it passes naturally.

 

[Allforthewifey]

It's governments job to make decisions on protecting the public. Handling a pandemic is absolutely governments job.

Either way, we loose lives. Which way will lose the least lives? My position is that by eliminating or at least mitigating one death factor (covid-19) will save the most lives. That's the one we can handle.
However, mass diagnostic testing would at least tell us who can safely be in public and who should continue to shelter in. We don't have to shelter in until a vaccine is found or it passes naturally.

It is not the governments job to say who lives and who dies. I would rather die on my feet then hiding from anything

 

[Allforthewifey]

Wow, that just shows how dangerous this virus is!

It is killing that many people and most of the world is locked down. I get your point TwoBiFour, imagine how it would be if the virus was left to spread as it would unchecked.

Scary.

You have the same chance of dying a million different ways , lot better chance just from running your mouth at the wrong place wrong time

 

[ed4mwf]

So why is one life more important. Why should the government decide

I'm going to end this here before you and your ilk start on the same circular argument. You want to accuse of me not caring about those lives that are lost during the shutdown. I have never said such a thing, and it's liberal policies that push tax dollars toward addressing mental health (suicide), cancer research, higher unemployment insurance, domestic abuse shelters, free healthcare for preventative treatments like cancer checks, and etc. Every last one of those shut-in death factors, I can show where Republicans have cut budgets addressing these issue, and refuse to fund them.
Now you come on here and act like you give a damn.

In general, NOTHING you presented is a new form of death that the government was not addressing before. COVID-19 is a new form of death that spreads through the community do to no action or fault of the individuals, except for proximity to another. Until we either get a vaccination, or some kind of diagnostic to know who has it, it's just plain fucking stupid to allow people to be in close proximity of each other Especially when we are still unclear on so many factors.

 

[Subby]

You have the same chance of dying a million different ways , lot better chance just from running your mouth at the wrong place wrong time

Laughing.

You can ******* yourself however you want pal, but we're not talking about people making the individual choice to risk their own life are we?

No Einstein, if you live in a place where the virus is active and you go out and mix, then you risk killing others, which is totally irresponsible and the act of a selfish prick.

 

[Allforthewifey]

I'm going to end this here before you and your ilk start on the same circular argument. You want to accuse of me not caring about those lives that are lost during the shutdown. I have never said such a thing, and it's liberal policies that push tax dollars toward addressing mental health (suicide), cancer research, higher unemployment insurance, domestic abuse shelters, free healthcare for preventative treatments like cancer checks, and etc. Every last one of those shut-in death factors, I can show where Republicans have cut budgets addressing these issue, and refuse to fund them.
Now you come on here and act like you give a damn.

In general, NOTHING you presented is a new form of death that the government was not addressing before. COVID-19 is a new form of death that spreads through the community do to no action or fault of the individuals, except for proximity to another. Until we either get a vaccination, or some kind of diagnostic to know who has it, it's just plain fucking stupid to allow people to be in close proximity of each other Especially when we are still unclear on so many factors.

There is a direct correlation between unemployment and suicide and this is ****** unemployment for most Americans

 

[ed4mwf]

It is not the governments job to say who lives and who dies. I would rather die on my feet then hiding from anything

It is the government's job to protect the public. If it's not, go be a martyr, go to work.
However you don't live in a vacuum. Your actions have consequences tough guy. You could pass it to person would rather build a life and live to enjoy grandchildren and retirement. Who the fuck are you to dismiss their right to life, because you want to sling a hammer or whatever you say you do.

 

[ed4mwf]

There is a direct correlation between unemployment and suicide and this is ****** unemployment for most Americans

Where the fuck are you and your conservative voices for the unemployed when there isn't a pandemic?

 

[TwoBiFour]

Where the fuck are you and your conservative voices for the unemployed when there isn't a pandemic?

Why do you think we are against democratic policies - they CREATE unemployment. Just look at the unemployment numbers when we have a democratic president.

Where are you and your voices when Heart disease and cancer ******* so many people every year? - oh yeah, doesn't concern you because you can't catch it.

 

[TwoBiFour]

No Einstein, if you live in a place where the virus is active and you go out and mix, then you risk killing others, which is totally irresponsible and the act of a selfish prick.

I agree we shouldn't be going out in croweds - I also feel we should be wearing a mask when we need to go the grocery. But I see nothing wrong with people going fishing as long as they are alone, or walking in the park alone or with a family member that already live in the same house. These kind of things are over reach and is what sparked the protesters.

 

[Allforthewifey]

Laughing.

You can ******* yourself however you want pal, but we're not talking about people making the individual choice to risk their own life are we?

No Einstein, if you live in a place where the virus is active and you go out and mix, then you risk killing others, which is totally irresponsible and the act of a selfish prick.
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Where the fuck are you and your conservative voices for the unemployed when there isn't a pandemic?

We had a damn low unemployment number