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that is exactly why the right does not want to use the popular vote...…..only issue 3 times in history and all 3 times given to the right....makes you wonder ….well maybe not you...….the cult cave has a print out for the day telling you what to say and think....if there was no electoral college.....republicans probably never get the office.....after all their record once in there sucks!
understanding things is NOT something you can handle well...…..once he is in office....hard to get him out......all that republican collusion you know
Well, based on his first 3 years, IF, in fact, he is re-elected, he may be able to incite another civil war ... Trump Militia & Volunteers against the US Government and Patriotic Citizens. Shouldn't last all that long ... couple weeks to a month, lots of property damage.
I believe his four years, following the election, however will be served in a State penitentiary sitting on a bunkbed with a hugely hung "Bubba" who'll make his ass hole the size of a White House china plate by the first weekend.
Anyone that wants the people in LA LA land picking our leaders is totally daft and with the popular vote the coastal elites in California and New York would decide all the elections - NO THANKS !!!!!
The framers had more sense thank God Almighty!!!!!!
just a little biased there...well not a little....completely fucking biased because all were republican......had it gone the other way I'm sure you would be crying the blues....hell you cry enough on here as it is!
I would much rather it go to the La La land people than a cult.....waiting to be told what to say and think and looking for the Kool Aid glass
and typical of a trumptards thinking.....but for the most part America runs on majority rule.....except in the case of trump..... bush and a couple others.....all of whom have gone on to destroy the country
Presidents Elected Without Winning the Popular Vote
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Five U.S. presidents have taken office without winning the popular vote. In other words, they did not receive a plurality regarding the popular vote. They were elected, instead, by the Electoral College—or in the case of John Quincy Adams, by the House of Representatives after a …
The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between the population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.
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The Electoral College is a body of electors established by the United States Constitution, which forms every four years for the sole purpose of electing the president and vice president of the United States. The Electoral College consists of 538 electors, and an absolute majority of at least 270 electoral votes is required to win election. According to Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution, each state legislature determines the manner by which its state's electors are chosen. Each state's number of electors is equal to the combined total of the state's membership in the Senate and House of Representatives; currently there are 100 senators and 435 representatives. Additionally, the Twenty-third Amendment, ratified in 1961, provides that the District of Columbia is entitled to the number of electors it would have if it were the least populated state. U.S. territories are not entitled to any electors as they are not states.
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How the Electoral College Rigged the Election for Donald Trump
America’s electoral system gives smaller, more conservative states more weight – and that benefited Trump
I don’t agree with Donald Trump on much. We both like New York City. We both believe in the importance of oxygen for sustaining living beings. Beyond that, and especially in the political realm, we don’t often see eye-to-eye.
However, it has become painfully clear that one of the central claims of the Trump campaign is undoubtedly true: The election was indeed rigged. But it wasn’t rigged in the direction Trump claimed – rather, it was rigged in Trump’s and his party’s favor. This happened in a number of ways – felon disenfranchisement, voter suppression and Puerto Rico having no say whatsoever, for instance – but one huge one that was under-appreciated by many Americans before this week is the Electoral College system.
The facts are indisputable: Last Tuesday, there was an election for president. One candidate received more votes than the other. And that candidate lost.
Right now, Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by over a million votes. As all the absentee ballots from California, Washington and New York are counted, experts expect that number to climb to over two million, with a margin of victory around 1.5 percent. As has been noted in The New York Times, that would be a greater margin of victory in the popular vote than the ones with which John F. Kennedy won in 1960 and Richard Nixon won in 1968.
Of course, Trump won the election because he won the most electoral votes. The U.S. Constitution allots each state a number of electoral votes based on the combined number of members of Congress each state has. Therefore, Wyoming, with one representative in the House and two senators, has three electoral votes, while California, with 53 representatives and two senators, has 55 electoral votes. In all but Nebraska and Maine, all electoral votes go to the candidate who wins the state’s popular vote. Thus, a candidate who wins by one vote in a state gets the same number of that state’s electoral votes – all of them – as a candidate who wins by millions of votes.
So the election was rigged in the sense that the Founding Fathers created a system that, at this point in history, tilts the playing field in favor of candidates who appeal to low-population states and a small set of contested “swing” states, rather than those who appeal to big urban centers in population-rich states that are not contested.
First, the swing states: By giving all the electors in a swing state to the candidate who wins that state, even if only by a small number of votes, the system heavily favors the candidate who appeals to those few states. All the other states, where the candidates may win by much larger margins, become less relevant.
In this election, Clinton won some of the most populous states in the nation – New York and California – by substantial margins. Texas was the largest state Trump won, but he won that by a much smaller margin. Of course, Trump won the important swing states, but also by very narrow margins. Because of the winner-take-all system, Trump’s narrow advantage in those few swing states mattered much more than Clinton’s massive advantage in the unconstested states.
Second, basic math illustrates the point that all low-population states, not just swing states, are favored in this system. According to the last census (in 2010), Wyoming, the nation’s lowest population state, has just over 560,000 people. Those people get three electoral votes, or one per 186,000 people. California, our most populous state, has more than 37 million people. Those Californians have 55 electoral votes, or one per 670,000 people. Comparatively, people in Wyoming have nearly four times the power in the Electoral College as people in California. Put another way, if California had the same proportion of electoral votes per person as Wyoming, it would have about 200 electoral votes.
If you look at a map generated by Slate showing this difference, the states with the greatest power in the Electoral College – those whose citizens’ votes count the most – are mostly low-population, conservative states. Meanwhile, the states with the least power in the Electoral College are more of a mixed bag of conservative, swing and liberal states. Importantly, among the five least powerful (most populous) states are three that deliver overwhelming Democratic majorities every four years: California, New York and Illinois.
What this means is that America’s electoral system is rigged to give these smaller, more conservative states more weight. In fact, that’s one of the reasons the Constitution’s framers created the system in the first place: to give those smaller states a say in the process (and to help slave states). To illustrate this, think about what a pure popular vote system would do to the election. The small states would be largely ignored, and the biggest states with the most populous cities would get the most attention.
The Framers thus chose a system that would give power to the small states over the big states, a system that now favors conservative Republicans over more liberal Democrats. It’s no coincidence that the two presidential candidates in this century who have won the popular but lost the election were Democrats (the other being Al Gore, in 2000).
We have to call this system what it is: rigged.
Interestingly, Trump himself recognized the unfairness of the Electoral College in a series of tweets in 2012. He called the system “a disaster for a democracy,” “a total sham and a travesty,” and a “laughing stock.” Of course, he tweeted this commentary when he mistakenly believed that Barack Obama had lost the popular vote against Mitt Romney. Trump also said, before learning Obama had in fact won both the popular and electoral votes, that there should be a “revolution in this country,” that we should “fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice” and that we “can’t let this happen” and “should march on Washington.”
Funny how now Trump is saying something completely different. Since he won the election but lost the popular vote, he’s tweeted about the “genius” of the Electoral College, saying “it brings all states, including smaller ones, into play.” He also (rightly) pointed out that he would have campaigned differently if there were a pure popular vote. There’s no reason to believe that the large liberal states would have turned out for Trump if only he had campaigned there. But there is every reason to believe Clinton’s popular-vote margin would have been even greater had everyone in California and New York had an incentive to vote.
The root problem here is the Constitution’s guarantee that every state has two senators, regardless of size. If Senate representation were proportional, so much about this country would be different. However, it isn’t, and we have not only the lopsided Electoral College, but outsized influence in Congress for small, rural states – which, of course, tend to vote Republican.
So Donald Trump was right about the system being rigged. There are and always have been attempts to reform this system – un-rig it if you will – but those are likely to go nowhere in the near (nor possibly distant) future. Instead, we have to live with the reality that, with Trump winning the election while losing the popular vote, there’s no way to argue the system is anything but rigged in his favor.
America’s electoral system gives smaller, more conservative states more weight – and that benefited Trump
I don’t agree with Donald Trump on much. We both like New York City. We both believe in the importance of oxygen for sustaining living beings. Beyond that, and especially in the political realm, we don’t often see eye-to-eye.
However, it has become painfully clear that one of the central claims of the Trump campaign is undoubtedly true: The election was indeed rigged. But it wasn’t rigged in the direction Trump claimed – rather, it was rigged in Trump’s and his party’s favor. This happened in a number of ways – felon disenfranchisement, voter suppression and Puerto Rico having no say whatsoever, for instance – but one huge one that was under-appreciated by many Americans before this week is the Electoral College system.
The facts are indisputable: Last Tuesday, there was an election for president. One candidate received more votes than the other. And that candidate lost.
Right now, Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by over a million votes. As all the absentee ballots from California, Washington and New York are counted, experts expect that number to climb to over two million, with a margin of victory around 1.5 percent. As has been noted in The New York Times, that would be a greater margin of victory in the popular vote than the ones with which John F. Kennedy won in 1960 and Richard Nixon won in 1968.
Of course, Trump won the election because he won the most electoral votes. The U.S. Constitution allots each state a number of electoral votes based on the combined number of members of Congress each state has. Therefore, Wyoming, with one representative in the House and two senators, has three electoral votes, while California, with 53 representatives and two senators, has 55 electoral votes. In all but Nebraska and Maine, all electoral votes go to the candidate who wins the state’s popular vote. Thus, a candidate who wins by one vote in a state gets the same number of that state’s electoral votes – all of them – as a candidate who wins by millions of votes.
So the election was rigged in the sense that the Founding Fathers created a system that, at this point in history, tilts the playing field in favor of candidates who appeal to low-population states and a small set of contested “swing” states, rather than those who appeal to big urban centers in population-rich states that are not contested.
First, the swing states: By giving all the electors in a swing state to the candidate who wins that state, even if only by a small number of votes, the system heavily favors the candidate who appeals to those few states. All the other states, where the candidates may win by much larger margins, become less relevant.
In this election, Clinton won some of the most populous states in the nation – New York and California – by substantial margins. Texas was the largest state Trump won, but he won that by a much smaller margin. Of course, Trump won the important swing states, but also by very narrow margins. Because of the winner-take-all system, Trump’s narrow advantage in those few swing states mattered much more than Clinton’s massive advantage in the unconstested states.
Second, basic math illustrates the point that all low-population states, not just swing states, are favored in this system. According to the last census (in 2010), Wyoming, the nation’s lowest population state, has just over 560,000 people. Those people get three electoral votes, or one per 186,000 people. California, our most populous state, has more than 37 million people. Those Californians have 55 electoral votes, or one per 670,000 people. Comparatively, people in Wyoming have nearly four times the power in the Electoral College as people in California. Put another way, if California had the same proportion of electoral votes per person as Wyoming, it would have about 200 electoral votes.
If you look at a map generated by Slate showing this difference, the states with the greatest power in the Electoral College – those whose citizens’ votes count the most – are mostly low-population, conservative states. Meanwhile, the states with the least power in the Electoral College are more of a mixed bag of conservative, swing and liberal states. Importantly, among the five least powerful (most populous) states are three that deliver overwhelming Democratic majorities every four years: California, New York and Illinois.
What this means is that America’s electoral system is rigged to give these smaller, more conservative states more weight. In fact, that’s one of the reasons the Constitution’s framers created the system in the first place: to give those smaller states a say in the process (and to help slave states). To illustrate this, think about what a pure popular vote system would do to the election. The small states would be largely ignored, and the biggest states with the most populous cities would get the most attention.
The Framers thus chose a system that would give power to the small states over the big states, a system that now favors conservative Republicans over more liberal Democrats. It’s no coincidence that the two presidential candidates in this century who have won the popular but lost the election were Democrats (the other being Al Gore, in 2000).
We have to call this system what it is: rigged.
Interestingly, Trump himself recognized the unfairness of the Electoral College in a series of tweets in 2012. He called the system “a disaster for a democracy,” “a total sham and a travesty,” and a “laughing stock.” Of course, he tweeted this commentary when he mistakenly believed that Barack Obama had lost the popular vote against Mitt Romney. Trump also said, before learning Obama had in fact won both the popular and electoral votes, that there should be a “revolution in this country,” that we should “fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice” and that we “can’t let this happen” and “should march on Washington.”
Funny how now Trump is saying something completely different. Since he won the election but lost the popular vote, he’s tweeted about the “genius” of the Electoral College, saying “it brings all states, including smaller ones, into play.” He also (rightly) pointed out that he would have campaigned differently if there were a pure popular vote. There’s no reason to believe that the large liberal states would have turned out for Trump if only he had campaigned there. But there is every reason to believe Clinton’s popular-vote margin would have been even greater had everyone in California and New York had an incentive to vote.
The root problem here is the Constitution’s guarantee that every state has two senators, regardless of size. If Senate representation were proportional, so much about this country would be different. However, it isn’t, and we have not only the lopsided Electoral College, but outsized influence in Congress for small, rural states – which, of course, tend to vote Republican.
So Donald Trump was right about the system being rigged. There are and always have been attempts to reform this system – un-rig it if you will – but those are likely to go nowhere in the near (nor possibly distant) future. Instead, we have to live with the reality that, with Trump winning the election while losing the popular vote, there’s no way to argue the system is anything but rigged in his favor.
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So how did President Donald Trump do in the poll? He was a slim fourth out of five in the confidence department, but dropped to the bottom with 64% in the absolute lack of confidence measure.
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Perhaps the world really would be better off if women ran it. Or maybe more world leaders would be trusted.
According to a Pew Research Center study, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is the most trusted world leader when it comes to making international decisions. Between the leaders of Germany, France, Russia, the U.S. and China, Merkel instilled the most confidence among those surveyed.
So how did President Donald Trump do in the poll? He was a slim fourth out of five in the confidence department, but dropped to the bottom with 64% in the absolute lack of confidence measure.
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BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. (AP) — Jill Mott doesn’t like the tweets. The hard line on the border is too hard. And when asked whether she will vote for President Donald Trump a second time, she lets out a long, deep sigh.
“That is the question,” said Mott, a Republican from suburban Detroit.
In her moment of hesitancy, Mott is the portrait of a small, but significant slice of voters poised to wield considerable influence in the 2020 presidential campaign. They are the 18 percent of voters who described themselves as only “somewhat” approving of the president.
It’s a group whose backing for Trump is most tenuous and whose reservations about his personality and his policies reveal warning signs for Republicans, perhaps even more so as he dug in on his demand for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, leading to a budget impasse with Congress that has shut down the government around Christmas.
An analysis of VoteCast, a nationwide poll of more than 115,000 midterm voters conducted for The Associated Press by NORC at the University of Chicago, highlights the fractures.
Compared with the 27 percent of voters who describe themselves as strong Trump supporters, the “somewhat” Trump voters are much more likely to disapprove of Trump on key issues such as immigration and health care, and to express divergent opinions on a need for a border wall, gun control and climate change. They are much more likely to question his trustworthiness and temperament.
They are less likely to call themselves conservative, less likely to be evangelical Christians and more likely to have voted for Democrats in 2018. They are more educated, somewhat more likely to be women, and more likely to live in suburbs.
“How he presents himself is the biggest issue,” said Mott, a 52-year-old occupational therapist, who addressed her concerns this past week during a break from Christmas shopping outside the Gucci store at the Somerset Collection luxury mall. She also worries about the president’s fiery approach to immigration.
“I understand what he’s going for — trying to keep out criminal activity,” Mott said, pointing to Trump’s rhetoric about a caravan of Latin American migrants seeking asylum at the U.S. border. “However, I think he could do much better in showing concern for these people, offering short-term help.”
As Trump barrels into his third year in office, and tightens his focus on his own re-election, he has paid scant attention to shoring up support from voters such as Mott.
Still, Trump’s political future may depend on whether he can retain their support, particularly among the more educated and affluent suburban women who set aside their concerns about Trump two years ago and will be asked to do so again in 2020. Their backing helped Trump carve a path to the presidency through the industrial Midwest, but with little margin for error. The president won Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by fewer than 80,000 votes combined.
VoteCast found that 16 percent of those who “somewhat” supported Trump’s job performance decided to vote for Democratic House candidates in the November midterms. That’s compared with 6 percent of those who self-identified as Trump’s “strong” supporters.
That difference helped Democrats capture the House majority, picking up 21 of their 40 new seats in districts Trump carried only two years earlier. The flipped Trump districts include Michigan’s 8th Congressional District, a swath of suburban middle-class America set between Detroit and Lansing.
Dozens of recent interviews across the area show that most reluctant Trump supporters aren’t ready to turn their backs on him or his party.
Michael Bernstein voted for Trump in 2016 and said he is likely would do so again in 2020. Bernstein, 52, points to the economy and to Trump’s success in getting justices approved to the U.S. Supreme Court as evidence that he chose the right candidate, but the freelance auto writer from suburban Detroit could do without some of what Trump brings.
“He’s supposed to represent the country and the people who don’t like him,” Bernstein added. “He doesn’t. He prefers to play in the dirt.”
Still, November’s elections bear out signs of erosion. In Michigan’s 8th Congressional District, two-term Republican Mike Bishop was ousted by Democratic newcomer Elissa Slotkin, who attributes her victory in part to skeptical Trump supporters.
“That’s part of the reason we won — those voters who kept an open mind, who never really liked the tweeting and the chaos and the vitriol who maybe thought the president would become more presidential,” Slotkin said in an interview.
“We had lots of voters who said I was the first Democrat they ever voted for,” she said. “They’re not necessarily becoming Democrats. They just voted for the candidate who most represents their values.”
The VoteCast analysis suggests that a significant share of these wary Trump supporters have some views in common with Democrats in the Trump era.
About half of Trump’s “somewhat” supporters said Trump has the right temperament to serve effectively as president or considered him honest and trustworthy.
On health care, reluctant supporters are more likely to think government should be responsible for making sure all Americans have coverage and they’re far less likely to think President Barack Obama’s health care law should be repealed entirely.
Trump’s reluctant supporters also are far more concerned about climate change than are other Trump backers and more likely to call for tighter gun laws.
Immigration exposed another clear rift in the Trump coalition.
Most Trump supporters favor building the border wall, but just 32 percent of his somewhat supporters are strongly in favor, compared with 80 percent of his strong approvers.
While 60 percent of strong Trump backers said immigrants living in the United States illegally should be deported, about 6 in 10 reluctant supporters said those immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status.
Still, it’s not safe to assume that reluctant Trump supporters will abandon the president in his 2020 re-election, said Republican pollster Frank Luntz, also a Trump skeptic.
“They have rejected the Democrats. But they don’t fully embrace Trump. So, the question is whether they stay with Trump or whether they stay home,” Luntz said.
Republican leaders are aware of the divisions within Trump’s base of support, yet few expect Trump to moderate his tone or policies to appeal to wavering supporters. Some hope he’ll learn to focus his message on the economy.
About 90 percent of Trump’s somewhat supporters are still supporting of his handling of the economy, and 8 in 10 said he is a strong leader, he is bringing needed change to the government and he stands up for what he believes.
“Of course there are frustrations at times, however I know I have more money in my paycheck, more people working in our community, home values are up,” said Theresa Mungioli, the GOP chairwoman of Oakland County, Michigan, where Republicans lost two congressional seats this fall.
She acknowledged that some midterm voters, particularly women, may have soured on Trump’s leadership, especially as it pertains to security issues.
“Maybe in part because the president can be — likes to bluff in his negotiations, which makes it look like we’re on the brink of war,” Mungioli said. “That kind of instability was something that voters expressed.”
“That is the question,” said Mott, a Republican from suburban Detroit.
In her moment of hesitancy, Mott is the portrait of a small, but significant slice of voters poised to wield considerable influence in the 2020 presidential campaign. They are the 18 percent of voters who described themselves as only “somewhat” approving of the president.
It’s a group whose backing for Trump is most tenuous and whose reservations about his personality and his policies reveal warning signs for Republicans, perhaps even more so as he dug in on his demand for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, leading to a budget impasse with Congress that has shut down the government around Christmas.
An analysis of VoteCast, a nationwide poll of more than 115,000 midterm voters conducted for The Associated Press by NORC at the University of Chicago, highlights the fractures.
Compared with the 27 percent of voters who describe themselves as strong Trump supporters, the “somewhat” Trump voters are much more likely to disapprove of Trump on key issues such as immigration and health care, and to express divergent opinions on a need for a border wall, gun control and climate change. They are much more likely to question his trustworthiness and temperament.
They are less likely to call themselves conservative, less likely to be evangelical Christians and more likely to have voted for Democrats in 2018. They are more educated, somewhat more likely to be women, and more likely to live in suburbs.
“How he presents himself is the biggest issue,” said Mott, a 52-year-old occupational therapist, who addressed her concerns this past week during a break from Christmas shopping outside the Gucci store at the Somerset Collection luxury mall. She also worries about the president’s fiery approach to immigration.
“I understand what he’s going for — trying to keep out criminal activity,” Mott said, pointing to Trump’s rhetoric about a caravan of Latin American migrants seeking asylum at the U.S. border. “However, I think he could do much better in showing concern for these people, offering short-term help.”
As Trump barrels into his third year in office, and tightens his focus on his own re-election, he has paid scant attention to shoring up support from voters such as Mott.
Still, Trump’s political future may depend on whether he can retain their support, particularly among the more educated and affluent suburban women who set aside their concerns about Trump two years ago and will be asked to do so again in 2020. Their backing helped Trump carve a path to the presidency through the industrial Midwest, but with little margin for error. The president won Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by fewer than 80,000 votes combined.
VoteCast found that 16 percent of those who “somewhat” supported Trump’s job performance decided to vote for Democratic House candidates in the November midterms. That’s compared with 6 percent of those who self-identified as Trump’s “strong” supporters.
That difference helped Democrats capture the House majority, picking up 21 of their 40 new seats in districts Trump carried only two years earlier. The flipped Trump districts include Michigan’s 8th Congressional District, a swath of suburban middle-class America set between Detroit and Lansing.
Dozens of recent interviews across the area show that most reluctant Trump supporters aren’t ready to turn their backs on him or his party.
Michael Bernstein voted for Trump in 2016 and said he is likely would do so again in 2020. Bernstein, 52, points to the economy and to Trump’s success in getting justices approved to the U.S. Supreme Court as evidence that he chose the right candidate, but the freelance auto writer from suburban Detroit could do without some of what Trump brings.
“He’s supposed to represent the country and the people who don’t like him,” Bernstein added. “He doesn’t. He prefers to play in the dirt.”
Still, November’s elections bear out signs of erosion. In Michigan’s 8th Congressional District, two-term Republican Mike Bishop was ousted by Democratic newcomer Elissa Slotkin, who attributes her victory in part to skeptical Trump supporters.
“That’s part of the reason we won — those voters who kept an open mind, who never really liked the tweeting and the chaos and the vitriol who maybe thought the president would become more presidential,” Slotkin said in an interview.
“We had lots of voters who said I was the first Democrat they ever voted for,” she said. “They’re not necessarily becoming Democrats. They just voted for the candidate who most represents their values.”
The VoteCast analysis suggests that a significant share of these wary Trump supporters have some views in common with Democrats in the Trump era.
About half of Trump’s “somewhat” supporters said Trump has the right temperament to serve effectively as president or considered him honest and trustworthy.
On health care, reluctant supporters are more likely to think government should be responsible for making sure all Americans have coverage and they’re far less likely to think President Barack Obama’s health care law should be repealed entirely.
Trump’s reluctant supporters also are far more concerned about climate change than are other Trump backers and more likely to call for tighter gun laws.
Immigration exposed another clear rift in the Trump coalition.
Most Trump supporters favor building the border wall, but just 32 percent of his somewhat supporters are strongly in favor, compared with 80 percent of his strong approvers.
While 60 percent of strong Trump backers said immigrants living in the United States illegally should be deported, about 6 in 10 reluctant supporters said those immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status.
Still, it’s not safe to assume that reluctant Trump supporters will abandon the president in his 2020 re-election, said Republican pollster Frank Luntz, also a Trump skeptic.
“They have rejected the Democrats. But they don’t fully embrace Trump. So, the question is whether they stay with Trump or whether they stay home,” Luntz said.
Republican leaders are aware of the divisions within Trump’s base of support, yet few expect Trump to moderate his tone or policies to appeal to wavering supporters. Some hope he’ll learn to focus his message on the economy.
About 90 percent of Trump’s somewhat supporters are still supporting of his handling of the economy, and 8 in 10 said he is a strong leader, he is bringing needed change to the government and he stands up for what he believes.
“Of course there are frustrations at times, however I know I have more money in my paycheck, more people working in our community, home values are up,” said Theresa Mungioli, the GOP chairwoman of Oakland County, Michigan, where Republicans lost two congressional seats this fall.
She acknowledged that some midterm voters, particularly women, may have soured on Trump’s leadership, especially as it pertains to security issues.
“Maybe in part because the president can be — likes to bluff in his negotiations, which makes it look like we’re on the brink of war,” Mungioli said. “That kind of instability was something that voters expressed.”
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And thus the electoral college is needed to keep our America from falling into the system of Democratic rule as in all the blue cities that are disasters. If the people in all those big cities would simply vote instead of stay home because they feel it is hopeless, The Party in Power always wins. Come on people in the big cities get out and vote your mind.
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