TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED
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nongolfer
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Bob Woodward, and obviously right leaning Trump supporter, starts to see the writing on the wall:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...bage-steele-dossier-needs-to-be-investigated/
This seems to be the correct thread to post fact, so I'll update here, and giggle at the reactions in the other threads.
This hasn't even begun.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...bage-steele-dossier-needs-to-be-investigated/
This seems to be the correct thread to post fact, so I'll update here, and giggle at the reactions in the other threads.
This hasn't even begun.
jamesriske
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nothing will happen.
When he's re-elected in 2020 and when Pence is elected in 2024 you guys will still be crying about impeachment.
At my age, I've seen it all and this nonsense repeats itself every ten years or so.
In 2032 a liberal will be elected and the Republicans will be crying about impeachment then too.
'lather, rinse, repeat'. ....................
Sooner or later, most of you will become old enough to recognize bullshit when you see it. Stop wasting our lives arguing about politics that's all bullshit anyway.
When he's re-elected in 2020 and when Pence is elected in 2024 you guys will still be crying about impeachment.
At my age, I've seen it all and this nonsense repeats itself every ten years or so.
In 2032 a liberal will be elected and the Republicans will be crying about impeachment then too.
'lather, rinse, repeat'. ....................
Sooner or later, most of you will become old enough to recognize bullshit when you see it. Stop wasting our lives arguing about politics that's all bullshit anyway.
* * F U N F A C T S * *
- President Trump met with Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey tuesday 4/23/2019, and according to theWashington Post, the leader of the free world spent a significant amount of time complaining to Dorsey about his perception that Twitter has intentionally lowered his follower count.
- Katie Perry and Obama are at #1 & #2 for over 100 Million Twitter followers worldwide and even Taylor Swift is kicking Trump's twitter following ass with 83 million to Trump's peaked 59.9 million followers.
- All of the top Twitter ACCTs with the most followers are vehemently opposed to Trump and vocal about disagreements with his policies which constantly agitates him.
- Mueller's report indicted and detailed the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) Twitter bot farm in which he also detailed examples of how Trump himself in addition to his campaign had interacted on Twitter with the IRA bot ACCTs although unknowingly *so Trump would say - but Roger Stone knew.
REF: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273172/twitter-accounts-with-the-most-followers-worldwide/
Example of One of the many of Internet Research Agency (IRA) Russian Bot Twitter accounts that follow Trump and retweets propaganda from Russia that are Pro-trump:
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REF: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/03/226208/taylor-swift-donald-trump-2020-elle-interview
REF: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/08/politics/trump-responds-to-taylor-swift/index.html
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That's because he has absolutely NOTHING to do all day. Wish I had his address, I'd send him a couple books of puzzles to work on during the day.
* * F A C T S * *
- There are still many sane Republicans and Independents who are vocal and right about their concern of Trump's poor leadership style and how its leading America in the wrong direction.
- Life-long Republican and former Secretary of State under George Bush 43rd POTUS Collin Powell has stated that his three favorite words in the U.S. Constitution had long been "We the people," but Trump's short time in office has morphed the famous founding fathers' line into "me the president."
- Life-long Republican George Mason University Law Professor J.W. Verret — who's advised every Republican presidential pre-transition team for the last 10 years and served as counsel for Republicans on the House Financial Services committee — went viral on Twitter for stating that he supports impeachment after reading the Mueller report.
BY BENJAMIN FEARNOW ON 10/7/18 AT 12:53 PM EDT
Former U.S. Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright both questioned the dramatic negative effects the Trump administration has had on the United States and its people.
Speaking with CNN's Fareed Zakaria on October 7, Powell criticized Trump's various attacks on the news media, close U.S. allies and even the country's own citizens. Powell lamented that his three favorite words in the U.S. Constitution had long been "We the people," but Trump's short time in office has morphed the famous founding fathers' line into "me the president."
“You see things that should not be happening,” Powell told Zakaria. “How can a president of the United States get up and say that the media is the enemy of Americans? Hasn’t he read the First Amendment? You are not supposed to like everything the press says, or what anyone says…that’s why we have a First Amendment, to protect that kind of speech.”
Powell reiterated why he became a voice against a Trump presidency during the 2016 campaign.
“I hope the president can come to the realization that he should really stop insulting people,” Powell continued. “I used this two years ago when I said I could not vote for him in the 2016 election. Why? He insulted everybody. He insulted African-Americans, he insulted women, he insulted immigrants. He insulted our best friends around the world—all of his fellow candidates up on the stage during the debates. I don’t think that’s what should be coming out of a president of the United States. But I don’t see anything that’s changed in the last two years.”
Powell asked Americans and Congress to "take a hard look at yourself" to realize what "you're doing to keep these forces in check." He ridiculed not just what the Trump administration was doing but also what others "are not doing as the United States of America. What are we doing? We’re walking away from agreements, we’re walking away from alliances.”
“The world is watching,” Powell added. “They cannot believe we’re doing things like separating mothers and children who are trying to get across the border from south of our border. They can’t believe we’re making such an effort to cease immigration coming into the country. It’s what’s kept us alive!”
REF: https://www.newsweek.com/colin-powe...eople-madeleine-albright-constitution-1157119
'I realized enough was enough': A [Life-Long Republican *Insert] law professor and former Trump transition staffer says Congress should impeach Trump
- George Mason University Law Professor J.W. Verret went viral on Twitter for stating that he supports impeachment after reading the Mueller report.
- Verret, who briefly advised the Trump pre-transition team in 2016, said he viewed the Mueller report as a "tipping point" and the Republican party's current standing by Trump as verging into "a blind devotion that serves to enable criminal conduct."
And now, a longtime Republican lawyer is also voicing support for Congress to initiate impeachment proceedings. This past weekend, George Mason University Law Professor J.W. Verret — who's advised every Republican presidential pre-transition team for the last 10 years and served as counsel for Republicans on the House Financial Services committee — went viral on Twitter for stating that he supports impeachment after reading the Mueller report.
"Finished a second read through the Mueller Report. I don't say this lightly, as a lifelong Republican, former [Republican] Hill staffer, and someone who has worked on every [Republican] campaign and pre-transition team for the last ten years. There is enough here to begin impeachment proceedings," he wrote.
In a follow-up piece for The Atlantic, Verret, who teaches corporate and securities law, said he joined Trump's pre-transition team (each major party presidential candidate sets up a team before the election to get a head start on the transition) despite misgivings about the then-Republican nominee.
Verret explained that even after leaving his post as an economic policy advisor on the Trump pre-transition effort in October 2016 over "awkward" policy disagreements, he didn't join the so-called "Never Trump" movement.
He wrote that while "politics is a team sport" where people can be reasonably expected to follow their leader even if they sometimes disagree with them, he viewed the Mueller report as a "tipping point" and the Republican party's current standing by Trump as verging into "a blind devotion that serves to enable criminal conduct."
While the report documented extensive contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to charge Trump or anyone associated with his campaign with criminal conspiracy related to Russia's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.
On the question of obstruction, the Mueller report laid out 11 different areas of Trump's conduct they examined for potential obstruction but said the office could not come to a "traditional prosecutorial decision" as to whether Trump obstructed justice.
Read more:Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
The report said that while they could not indict the president on charges of obstruction of justice, they were also unable to "reach a judgment" that "the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice" — leaving the next steps up to Congress to determine whether Trump's actions warrant impeachment.
Some have questioned the political feasibility of impeachment, given that Trump would need to be not only impeached by the House but convicted by a two-thirds majority of the currently Republican-controlled Senate.
But Verret argued that the House opening up impeachment hearings, which he compared to a grand jury hearing, could bring more information to light and the resulting shift in popular opinion could result in congressional Republicans feeling "emboldened" to convict.
"Republicans who stand up to Trump today may face some friendly fire," Verret said. "Yet, in time, we can help rebuild the Republican Party, enabling it to rise from the ashes of the post-Trump apocalypse into a party with renewed commitment to principles of liberty, opportunity, and the rule of law."
REF: https://www.businessinsider.com/jw-...ransition-staffer-supports-impeachment-2019-4
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* * F A C T S * *
- Former POTUS Bill Clinton was impeached on far less charges in 1999, and evidence of a crime than even what has piled up against Trump at this point right now in 2019.
- Collin Powell asked Americans and Congress to "take a hard look at yourself" to realize what "you're doing to keep these forces in check." He ridiculed not just what the Trump administration was doing but also what others "are not doing as the United States of America. What are we doing? We’re walking away from agreements, we’re walking away from alliances.”
- Life-Long Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, the former GOP presidential nominee, condemned President Donald Trump after reading the special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report on Friday. He stated, "I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President," Romney wrote.
- 14 Republican senators are on-record holding a president accountable for obstruction of Justice with lesser evidence than was delivered in the Mueller report during the time of Bill Clinton. Life-Long Republican and Trump Supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham had wrote on the issue of Impeachment in 1999 the following:
“If you believe he obstructed justice in a civil rights lawsuit, don’t move the bar any more,” Graham implored the senators. “We have moved the bar for this case a thousand times.”
“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” he said at another point. “mpeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
Sen. Mitt Romney, the former GOP presidential nominee, condemned President Donald Trump after reading the special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report on Friday.
Romney said that while it's "good news" that Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to charge Trump and his aides with conspiracy to collude with Russia, he added that the report lays out a disturbing portrait of presidential "dishonesty."
"I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President," Romney wrote in a statement on Friday afternoon.
Read more: Democrats have an intra-party battle brewing over impeaching Trump after the Mueller report's release
Romney, who famously excoriated Trump on the campaign trail in 2016 and later considered joining his administration, took particular issue with Trump campaign aides welcoming help from Russia.
As Trump closed in on the GOP nomination in 2016, Romney fiercely attacked Trump's character and record, calling him a "phony" and a "fraud" whose "promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University."
Trump hit back repeatedly, calling Romney "one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the history of Republican politics" and a "dope" who "choked like a dog" when he lost to Obama in 2012.
But just a few months later, Romney met with the president-elect on multiple occasions, reportedly angling to become Trump's secretary of state.
Trump ultimately endorsed Romney's Senate run last year. But Romney spurned the president once again in January, when he penned an op-ed for The Washington Post arguing that Trump "has not risen to the mantle of the office."
REF https://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-sickened-trump-behavior-mueller-report-2019-4?IR=T
14 Republican senators are on-record holding a president accountable for obstruction: Bill Clinton
On Aug. 5, 1974, shortly after losing a case at the Supreme Court, the administration of Richard Nixon released an Oval Office recording that it had kept secret to that point. In the tape, Nixon and his aides discussed how to cover up the administration’s involvement in the break-in at the Watergate Hotel, determining that former CIA deputy director Vernon Walters could call acting FBI director Pat Gray and tell the FBI to back off any further investigations.
The release of the tape was definitive proof that Nixon himself was involved in an effort to coverup the break-in and block investigations. The House Judiciary Committee had already voted to advance articles of impeachment against Nixon to the full House, including one focused on obstruction of justice and Nixon’s having “engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation” into the Watergate incident. Nixon’s position was untenable and he resigned, preventing any impeachment from happening.
A few decades later, there was a president impeached for obstruction of justice: Bill Clinton. Clinton at one point faced four articles of impeachment, two centered on perjury (including lying under oath when offering testimony for an affidavit) and one on obstruction related to his efforts to prevent information about his affair with Monica Lewinsky from coming to light — including encouraging her to give false testimony.
“Republicans say that, before Lewinsky became a possible witness, she and the president discussed fabricated stories to use to cover up their relationship,” The Post reported in 1999, “and that, according to Lewinsky’s testimony, the president repeated those stories when he telephoned her on Dec. 17 to say she was on the Paula Jones witness list. As Lewinsky recalled that conversation, Clinton said, ‘You know, you can always say you were coming to see Betty or that you were bringing me letters.’”
The House Judiciary Committee delivered four impeachment charges against Clinton. Two were ultimately approved by the House.
Both the Nixon and Clinton incidents have taken on new significance with the report Thursday evening from BuzzFeed News that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III had evidence — including from President Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen — that Trump had encouraged Cohen to lie to Congress about a proposed development deal in Moscow. Cohen’s already admitted guilt in providing that false testimony, which included denials that discussions about the project had continued past January 2016 and that he hadn’t considered asking Trump to travel to Moscow to move it forward.
The response from Democrats to this report was swift. Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) called for the House Judiciary Committee to bring hearings to consider if Trump committed high crimes — one of the criteria for impeachment. Were the House to pass articles of impeachment against Trump, they would then go to the Senate, where a two-thirds majority would be required to remove Trump from office. In 1999, Clinton survived the removal vote, and he served out his term.
What’s interesting about that vote 20 years ago, though, is that there are still a number of members of Congress who were around at that point and supported punishing Clinton for obstruction of justice — including 14 Republican senators. That’s interesting in part because of another number: Assuming every Senate Democrat voted to oust Trump, they would need to be joined by 20 Republicans.
Who are those 14 senators? Well, at the time, eight were members of the House who supported the third article of impeachment against Clinton. (Two representatives who sat on the House Judiciary Committee in the prior Congress, Reps. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) and Steve Chabot (R-Ohio), also voted to impeach Clinton.)
That includes now-Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who not only voted to impeach Clinton on obstruction but actually served as one of the prosecutors of the case against Clinton before the full Senate.
“If you believe he obstructed justice in a civil rights lawsuit, don’t move the bar any more,” Graham implored the senators. “We have moved the bar for this case a thousand times.”
“You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” he said at another point. “mpeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
Among the then-sitting senators he and the other prosecutors swayed — 50 of the 67 needed to remove Clinton from office — were six current senators.
This list was longer two years ago. At that point a total of 17 senators had voted to impeach Clinton on obstruction of justice charges or to have him removed from office as punishment. It’s not likely that even all 14 of those who supported punishing Clinton would support punishing Trump now; you’ll have noticed that the bars in the above diagrams are pretty uniform in their coloration as a function of party solidarity. Would these 14 Republican senators hold the same position now, should BuzzFeed News’s reporting be confirmed with public evidence? Does Graham, now one of Trump’s closest allies, still worry about cleansing the Oval Office? Would 20 Republicans buck their president in a time as polarized as this one?
We may well find out.
REF: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...table-obstruction-bill-clinton/?noredirect=on
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* * OPINION * *
- In a new INSIDER survey, 64% of Americans said they thought trying and failing to obstruct justice is as bad or worse than obstruction of justice.
- The special counsel Robert Mueller's final report on the Russia investigation listed numerous occasions during which President Donald Trump's aides refused to carry out the president's requests to interfere in ongoing investigations
- 55% of respondents said it was equally as bad to attempt and fail, and 10% said it was in fact worse.
- The 10% has more wealth than the 90% - what is that BS? Only 30% of the people support trump in which that # hasn't changed and that's the only % that matters in this thread exchange. And of that 30% 90% of them are not wealthy and compromise of the mostly low-educated of the population.
- Trump's campaign and administration was investigated by Mueller's team for the legal charge of criminal conspiracy and not for 'COLLUSION'. Muellers team cleared Trump of any criminal conspiracy charges but did not exonerated him for Collusion and on the issue of Obstruction of Justice Mueller's report concludes with the final statement:
"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state," the report said. "Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."
TRUMP HAD INTENT, OPPORTUNITY, CAPABILITY & ATTEMPTED TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE WHILE ALTHOUGH HE FAILED IS STILL JUST AS BAD IF NOT EQUAL TO THE ACTUAL CRIME _- PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Case open and closed.
On April 18, the Department of Justice released a redacted version of special counsel Mueller's report on Russian interference in the 2016 US election and whether President Donald Trump and other administration officials attempted to obstruct federal investigations.
While the report documented extensive contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, Mueller did not find sufficient evidence to charge Trump or anyone associated with his campaign with conspiracy.
The report did say "the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome" and the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."
On the issue of obstruction, the Mueller report said that, in many cases, Trump failed in his efforts to impede the Mueller probe and other federal investigations because his own aides chose not to follow through with his requests.
Trump and his allies claimed victory after the Attorney General William Barr published a four-page summary of the Mueller report, and again when the full, redacted document came out, falsely claiming the report had cleared him of obstruction. INSIDER's poll found that 59% of Americans surveyed think that attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice itself.
To approach the question of whether an unsuccessful attempt was just as bad as the actual execution of obstructing justice, respondents were asked to rate the severity of those crimes across two questions:
- For a public official, how serious an offense is obstruction of justice? Please answer on a scale of zero to 10, with zero being "not warranting any action" and 10 being "warranting prosecution and removal from office."
- For a public official, how serious an offense is attempting but failing to obstruct justice? Please answer on a scale of zero to 10, with zero being "not warranting any action" and 10 being "warranting prosecution and removal from office."
For a significant majority, the answer is no. Only 36% of respondents provided a lower number for the attempted and unsuccessful obstruction of justice than actual obstruction of justice, and 64% gave a figure as high or higher.
More specifically, 55% gave the exact same score and 10% numerically indicated that trying and failing was in fact worse than simply doing it. Of the 36% who think simply attempting to obstruct justice is not as severe as actual obstruction, most thought it was only slightly better: 24% assigned a score just 1 or 2 points lower for attempting and failing.
The Mueller report listed 11 separate instances the special counsel examined for possible obstruction by Trump. Those include his firing of FBI Director James Comey in May 2017, his attempts to fire the special counsel who was appointed after Comey's dismissal, and signaling that he would be opening to pardoning Michael Flynn and Michael Cohen.
Mueller's report listed numerous occasions during which Trump aides refused to carry out of the president's requests to interfere in ongoing investigations. They included
- James Comey refusing to drop the FBI's investigation into former national security advisor Michael Flynn.
- Former White House counsel Don McGahn not carrying out Trump's request of him to tell Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller.
- Former campaign advisers Corey Lewandowski and Rick Dearborn declining to ask Attorney General Jeff Sessions to limit the scope of the Russia probe to future election interference.
- McGahn also refusing to publicly deny The New York Times' reporting that he got in the way of Trump's efforts to fire Mueller and even threatened to resign.
"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state," the report said. "Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."
SurveyMonkey Audience polls from a national sample balanced by census data of age and gender. Respondents are incentivized to complete surveys through charitable contributions. Generally speaking, digital polling tends to skew toward people with access to the internet.
SurveyMonkey Audience doesn't try to weight its sample based on race or income. Total 1,110 respondents collected from the evening of April 18 through April 19, 2019, a margin of error plus or minus 3 percentage points with a 95% confidence level
REF: https://www.businessinsider.com/what-americans-think-about-obstruction-of-justice-2019-4?IR=T
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* * F A C T S * *
And before all the trolls start reposting here, just to reiterate for all the people who are the brainwashed ones who keep repeating there was no crime and no collusion - please review the facts again which I will keep hitting you over and over again in the head with:
- AG Barr was the one who tried to spin the narrative in the public apparatus along with Trump's brief press statements and tweets that there was "no collusion" between Trump and/or anyone associated with his campaign and the Russian government.
- But Mueller's report specified that prosecutors used the framework of conspiracy law — not "collusion" — when determining if there was coordination between the campaign and the Russian government.
- Mueller's report states the following: "Collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law," the report said. "For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in criminal law." Ultimately, Mueller's team did not find sufficient evidence to bring a conspiracy charge against the campaign or anyone associated with it.
- AG Barr omitted a significant caveat prosecutors included in their findings. Specifically, Mueller's team wrote that "the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and ... the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."
- In the obstruction probe, the special counsel found that Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."
- The special counsel then outlined several instances in which Trump ordered an adviser or administration official to do something, and they declined to do so.
- It doesn't hinge on a lack of evidence. Instead, the special counsel appears to determine that even if he wanted to charge Trump with a crime — and he laid out multiple instances in which the president appeared to meet the threshold necessary for obstruction — he is constrained by the current legal framework. It is up to Congress to determine whether the evidence found in the report warrant for charging a sitting President.
- When Trump learned Mueller had been appointed special counsel, he said, "I'm f--ked. This is the end of my presidency."
LETS MAGA
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I'm sure for trump....it is like being in a giant rectum and being pressured...America wants rid of this turd!
Good visual there - media being that thar rectum :}
nongolfer
Male
Keeping posts in this thread to actual, documented fact. Addressing the ABA, RR, an obvious Trump supporter had this to say:
"At my confirmation hearing in March 2017, a Republican Senator asked me to make a commitment. He said: “You’re going to be in charge of this [Russia] investigation. I want you to look me in the eye and tell me that you’ll do it right, that you’ll take it to its conclusion and you’ll report [your results] to the American people.”
I did pledge to do it right and take it to the appropriate conclusion. I did not promise to report all results to the public, because grand jury investigations are ex parte proceedings. It is not our job to render conclusive factual findings. We just decide whether it is appropriate to file criminal charges.
Some critical decisions about the Russia investigation were made before I got there. The previous Administration chose not to publicize the full story about Russian computer hackers and social media trolls, and how they relate to a broader strategy to undermine America. The FBI disclosed classified evidence about the investigation to ranking legislators and their staffers. Someone selectively leaked details to the news media. The FBI Director announced at a congressional hearing that there was a counterintelligence investigation that might result in criminal charges. Then the former FBI Director alleged that the President pressured him to close the investigation, and the President denied that the conversation occurred..."
Like I have predicted, the title of this thread needs to be changed. Also like I predicted, this is far from over.
"At my confirmation hearing in March 2017, a Republican Senator asked me to make a commitment. He said: “You’re going to be in charge of this [Russia] investigation. I want you to look me in the eye and tell me that you’ll do it right, that you’ll take it to its conclusion and you’ll report [your results] to the American people.”
I did pledge to do it right and take it to the appropriate conclusion. I did not promise to report all results to the public, because grand jury investigations are ex parte proceedings. It is not our job to render conclusive factual findings. We just decide whether it is appropriate to file criminal charges.
Some critical decisions about the Russia investigation were made before I got there. The previous Administration chose not to publicize the full story about Russian computer hackers and social media trolls, and how they relate to a broader strategy to undermine America. The FBI disclosed classified evidence about the investigation to ranking legislators and their staffers. Someone selectively leaked details to the news media. The FBI Director announced at a congressional hearing that there was a counterintelligence investigation that might result in criminal charges. Then the former FBI Director alleged that the President pressured him to close the investigation, and the President denied that the conversation occurred..."
Like I have predicted, the title of this thread needs to be changed. Also like I predicted, this is far from over.
nongolfer
Male
Carl is still clueless it appears, but his former partner, and obvious Trump shill seems to have an instinct about what is going to be happening soon.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...bage-steele-dossier-needs-to-be-investigated/
National Review, not a source I favor, but Mr. Woodward's interview is on videotape, so I guess it actually happening. Unlike reporting at CNN, the New York Times etc.
We'll keep you posted on this thread as "real" news happens. Real, as in no collusion, no obstruction. Not fake as in when will Trump get impeached.
How do we knows news is real and not fake? Because real news actually happens.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...bage-steele-dossier-needs-to-be-investigated/
National Review, not a source I favor, but Mr. Woodward's interview is on videotape, so I guess it actually happening. Unlike reporting at CNN, the New York Times etc.
We'll keep you posted on this thread as "real" news happens. Real, as in no collusion, no obstruction. Not fake as in when will Trump get impeached.
How do we knows news is real and not fake? Because real news actually happens.
nongolfer
Male
https://saraacarter.com/john-brennan-trumps-sociopathic-ramblings-i-wasnt-part-of-a-coup/
Several things to note:
1) Compare and contracts body language and speaking style. Someone is under stress, POTUS is either a really good faker, or not under stress. Consequently, and necessarily, someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying.
2) Comey thrown under the bus. Violently.
3) Rosenstein thrown under the bus. Not as violently.
They continue to turn on each other.
Also the accusation by Brennan. Not something someone on the winning side, or the side of truth generally does.
Sara Carter is one smart lady, and although I'm not sure linking to MSNBC was intentional, if it was, it wouldn't surprise me.
Sara Carter and Joe DiGenova continue to be two people I watch closely. And I mean closely, as in body language etc. Brennan also.
The contrast in apparent stress level is visible, and stark.
Again, my predictions are highly visible, and are coming to fruition on a daily basis.
Several things to note:
1) Compare and contracts body language and speaking style. Someone is under stress, POTUS is either a really good faker, or not under stress. Consequently, and necessarily, someone is telling the truth, and someone is lying.
2) Comey thrown under the bus. Violently.
3) Rosenstein thrown under the bus. Not as violently.
They continue to turn on each other.
Also the accusation by Brennan. Not something someone on the winning side, or the side of truth generally does.
Sara Carter is one smart lady, and although I'm not sure linking to MSNBC was intentional, if it was, it wouldn't surprise me.
Sara Carter and Joe DiGenova continue to be two people I watch closely. And I mean closely, as in body language etc. Brennan also.
The contrast in apparent stress level is visible, and stark.
Again, my predictions are highly visible, and are coming to fruition on a daily basis.
When it finally comes out that the Obama administration fully weaponized the FBI and DOJ to spy on and go after Trump by any means necessary - to falsely let Hillary skate on very obvious obstruction of justice and numerous other charges to be able to run against Trump - and then turned their full weight against him when he won - so they could delegitimize him and deflect from what THEY had done - maybe just maybe the liberals will finally see the light - but I doubt they will - their hate for Trump will prolly just make them justify it all in some warped way.
Yeah except not ANYWHERE where raving lefties will see it - or - BELIEVE it.
Really gotta hit CNN or MSNBC - for them to start to MAYBE consider the error of their ways - don’t ya think.
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