subhub, thats a cop out answer, you have no facts or truth, just your hate and disrespect and propaganda, you demonstrate what you accuse me of with non intelligent rants and accusations, and baby like disgusting posts, you dont know me. Obviously I am dealing with someone who is controlled by their emotions, hate, and has no intelligent response so my spat with you is done, not wasting any more of my time trying to debate someone who cant acknowledge things that have actually happened and reality.
TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED
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That picture of the US president that you posted here is impermissible, such offensive images are not allowed on our site.
you've got to be kidding!...I have seen far worse posted on these political threads!
I didn't think it was possible to offend a trump supporter...after what they put in the white house
I didn't think it was possible to offend a trump supporter...after what they put in the white house
I really think Trump could give a ******* less about the big "NFL KNEELING" thing.....
he is an expert at manipulating the media to his advantage.....the kneeling thing will bring some to his side because of the national anthem...and he needs people on his side.....and it takes the focus off some of the other things he is fucking the country on...taxes...ACA...Islands hurricanes and etc
he is an expert at manipulating the media to his advantage.....the kneeling thing will bring some to his side because of the national anthem...and he needs people on his side.....and it takes the focus off some of the other things he is fucking the country on...taxes...ACA...Islands hurricanes and etc
Russia Investigation: Tell-Tale Signs Trump Is Expecting the Worst
Newsweek Ryan Goodman,Newsweek
As the Russia investigations by special counsel Robert Mueller and Congress plow ahead, are there telltale signs that the White House is worried about the eventual findings?
According to an assortment of news reports, several signs suggest that President Donald Trump’s inner circle is increasingly concerned about where the Russia investigations could lead.
The signs include the preparation of contingency plans, like the resignation of Jared Kushner in anticipation of revelations of the June 9, 2016 meeting with Russians and the need for support from Republican senators if the investigation goes south for Trump.
Earlier signs included Trump’s desire to fire Mueller and his contemplating sweeping pardons, including for himself.
Here are more recent data points to consider.
1. Trump and Kushner rejected White House Counsel’s advice on protocols to avoid coordinating stories on Russia investigation; White House Counsel contemplated resigning
White House Counsel Don McGahn had to be talked out of resigning by other White House officials, the Wall Street Journal ’s Peter Nicholas, Michael C. Bender and Rebecca Ballhaus reported on Friday.
White House officials were concerned that McGahn would resign because the President Trump and Jared Kushner would not follow protocols, as he had advised, to avoid meetings that “could be construed by investigators as an effort to coordinate their stories, three people familiar [with] the matter said.”
It would likely take a significant infraction for the administration’s senior lawyer to veer toward resignation. It is also revealing that Trump and Kushner would defy the White House Counsel’s advice to take steps to ensure against coordination or even the appearance of coordination of their stories involving the Russia investigation.
On the one hand, perhaps the two thought they had nothing to hide. On the other hand, if they had nothing to hide then why risk legal exposure for potentially coordinating stories and why risk the relationship with McGahn?
Note that the WSJ report does not end with Trump and Kushner complying. It ends with McGahn being satisfied that another legal team was brought into the White House to handle the affairs related to the Russia investigation.
2. Trump legal team prepared for Kushner resignation in light of June 9 Russia meeting
When the Trump inner circle anticipated that the news media would report the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians , here’s what they did: Members of the legal team prepared “a statement that would explain a potential Kushner resignation,” the Wall Street Journal ’s Peter Nicholas, Rebecca Ballhaus, Erica Orden and Anton Troianovski reported.
Once again, Kushner could have resigned due to the distraction created even if the surrounding allegations did not have underlying merit. And the prepared statement reportedly toed that line in terms of the stated public rationale for his departure.
But it would be unlikely for Kushner to step down without there being underlying merit to the concerns raised about his actions. What’s more, the lawyers’ anticipated the need for his resignation even before the news broke, which is even more suggestive of misconduct.
3. Bannon thought/said there was enough evidence on Kushner to sink the president’s *******-in-law
Stephen Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist and chairman of his presidential campaign, apparently thought there was enough damning evidence on Kushner to bring him down.
Buzzfeed ’s Adrian Carrasquillo reported, shortly before Bannon’s departure from the White House, that “the former Breitbart mogul, a source close to the administration said, told people behind Kushner’s back that ‘hopefully Jared will go down in things pertaining to Russia,’ or real estate holdings that were increasingly under a legal microscope.”
There are other possible, though less likely, explanations. Bannon may have been telling a fib to outsiders to undermine Kushner. Also, the cloud over Kushner could be a sufficient distraction for the White House that he would eventually need to step aside, even if there were no underlying merit to the more serious allegations against him.
4. Kushner may have advised Trump to appease Republican Senators in case the Russia investigation goes south
Kushner reportedly advised his *******-in-law to back Luther Strange in the Alabama Republican primary, HuffPost ’s Vicky Ward reported.
One of the reasons may have been shore up support from the Republican leaders in the Senate. “He’s going to need them if things go south in the Russia investigation,” a Bannon ally told Ward.
It is questionable whether “allies of Bannon” can be trusted sources in this regard due to the dispute between Bannon and Kushner. That said, this particular statement hurts Trump as much if not more than it hurts Kushner by suggesting the prospect that the Russia investigation will produce damaging conclusions.
It is curious that Trump supported Strange in the primaries when Roy Moore was the more natural fit and headed for a highly probable victory.
5. Roger Stone predicted (or: threatened) that congressional members should fear for their lives if they vote for impeachment
In late August, in answer to a TMZ reporter’s questions, Roger Stone said that members of Congress would endanger their lives if they voted to impeach Trump. Stone said on camera:
“ Try to impeach him, just try it. You will have a spasm of violence in this country, and insurrection, like you’ve never seen. … This is not 1974.
The people will not stand for impeachment. A politician who votes for it would be endangering their own life. There will be violence on both sides.
I’ll make this clear: I am not advocating violence, but I am predicting it.
If those remarks were meant as an implicit threat, presumably Stone would say them only if he worried there was a real likelihood that congressional members may eventually vote to impeach the president.
Finally, in light of the above data points, it is worth remembering that Kushner and Stone reportedly each advised Trump to fire James Comey as FBI director in charge of the Russia investigation.
Newsweek Ryan Goodman,Newsweek
As the Russia investigations by special counsel Robert Mueller and Congress plow ahead, are there telltale signs that the White House is worried about the eventual findings?
According to an assortment of news reports, several signs suggest that President Donald Trump’s inner circle is increasingly concerned about where the Russia investigations could lead.
The signs include the preparation of contingency plans, like the resignation of Jared Kushner in anticipation of revelations of the June 9, 2016 meeting with Russians and the need for support from Republican senators if the investigation goes south for Trump.
Earlier signs included Trump’s desire to fire Mueller and his contemplating sweeping pardons, including for himself.
Here are more recent data points to consider.
1. Trump and Kushner rejected White House Counsel’s advice on protocols to avoid coordinating stories on Russia investigation; White House Counsel contemplated resigning
White House Counsel Don McGahn had to be talked out of resigning by other White House officials, the Wall Street Journal ’s Peter Nicholas, Michael C. Bender and Rebecca Ballhaus reported on Friday.
White House officials were concerned that McGahn would resign because the President Trump and Jared Kushner would not follow protocols, as he had advised, to avoid meetings that “could be construed by investigators as an effort to coordinate their stories, three people familiar [with] the matter said.”
It would likely take a significant infraction for the administration’s senior lawyer to veer toward resignation. It is also revealing that Trump and Kushner would defy the White House Counsel’s advice to take steps to ensure against coordination or even the appearance of coordination of their stories involving the Russia investigation.
On the one hand, perhaps the two thought they had nothing to hide. On the other hand, if they had nothing to hide then why risk legal exposure for potentially coordinating stories and why risk the relationship with McGahn?
Note that the WSJ report does not end with Trump and Kushner complying. It ends with McGahn being satisfied that another legal team was brought into the White House to handle the affairs related to the Russia investigation.
2. Trump legal team prepared for Kushner resignation in light of June 9 Russia meeting
When the Trump inner circle anticipated that the news media would report the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians , here’s what they did: Members of the legal team prepared “a statement that would explain a potential Kushner resignation,” the Wall Street Journal ’s Peter Nicholas, Rebecca Ballhaus, Erica Orden and Anton Troianovski reported.
Once again, Kushner could have resigned due to the distraction created even if the surrounding allegations did not have underlying merit. And the prepared statement reportedly toed that line in terms of the stated public rationale for his departure.
But it would be unlikely for Kushner to step down without there being underlying merit to the concerns raised about his actions. What’s more, the lawyers’ anticipated the need for his resignation even before the news broke, which is even more suggestive of misconduct.
3. Bannon thought/said there was enough evidence on Kushner to sink the president’s *******-in-law
Stephen Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist and chairman of his presidential campaign, apparently thought there was enough damning evidence on Kushner to bring him down.
Buzzfeed ’s Adrian Carrasquillo reported, shortly before Bannon’s departure from the White House, that “the former Breitbart mogul, a source close to the administration said, told people behind Kushner’s back that ‘hopefully Jared will go down in things pertaining to Russia,’ or real estate holdings that were increasingly under a legal microscope.”
There are other possible, though less likely, explanations. Bannon may have been telling a fib to outsiders to undermine Kushner. Also, the cloud over Kushner could be a sufficient distraction for the White House that he would eventually need to step aside, even if there were no underlying merit to the more serious allegations against him.
4. Kushner may have advised Trump to appease Republican Senators in case the Russia investigation goes south
Kushner reportedly advised his *******-in-law to back Luther Strange in the Alabama Republican primary, HuffPost ’s Vicky Ward reported.
One of the reasons may have been shore up support from the Republican leaders in the Senate. “He’s going to need them if things go south in the Russia investigation,” a Bannon ally told Ward.
It is questionable whether “allies of Bannon” can be trusted sources in this regard due to the dispute between Bannon and Kushner. That said, this particular statement hurts Trump as much if not more than it hurts Kushner by suggesting the prospect that the Russia investigation will produce damaging conclusions.
It is curious that Trump supported Strange in the primaries when Roy Moore was the more natural fit and headed for a highly probable victory.
5. Roger Stone predicted (or: threatened) that congressional members should fear for their lives if they vote for impeachment
In late August, in answer to a TMZ reporter’s questions, Roger Stone said that members of Congress would endanger their lives if they voted to impeach Trump. Stone said on camera:
“ Try to impeach him, just try it. You will have a spasm of violence in this country, and insurrection, like you’ve never seen. … This is not 1974.
The people will not stand for impeachment. A politician who votes for it would be endangering their own life. There will be violence on both sides.
I’ll make this clear: I am not advocating violence, but I am predicting it.
If those remarks were meant as an implicit threat, presumably Stone would say them only if he worried there was a real likelihood that congressional members may eventually vote to impeach the president.
Finally, in light of the above data points, it is worth remembering that Kushner and Stone reportedly each advised Trump to fire James Comey as FBI director in charge of the Russia investigation.
Senators: Probe into possible Trump-Russia collusion ongoing
Associated Press MARY CLARE JALONICK and ERIC TUCKER
Leaders of the Senate intelligence committee said Wednesday that they have not determined roughly nine months into their investigation whether Russia coordinated with the Trump campaign to sway the 2016 presidential election.
"The issue of collusion is still open," said the Republican committee chairman, Sen. Richard Burr, who along with the panel's top Democrat, Sen. Mark Warner, provided an update on a congressional investigation that was launched the same month as President Donald Trump was inaugurated.
More than 100 witnesses have been interviewed — including former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump *******-in-law Jared Kushner — and more than 100,000 pages of documents have been reviewed, Burr said.
But the committee has still yet to interview many witnesses related to the Trump campaign and a June 2016 meeting that Kushner, Manafort and the president's *******, Donald Trump Jr., held with Russians. The committee wants to interview Trump Jr. and everyone else involved with the meeting.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senators-discuss-first-findings-russia-probe-151101063--politics.html
Associated Press MARY CLARE JALONICK and ERIC TUCKER
Leaders of the Senate intelligence committee said Wednesday that they have not determined roughly nine months into their investigation whether Russia coordinated with the Trump campaign to sway the 2016 presidential election.
"The issue of collusion is still open," said the Republican committee chairman, Sen. Richard Burr, who along with the panel's top Democrat, Sen. Mark Warner, provided an update on a congressional investigation that was launched the same month as President Donald Trump was inaugurated.
More than 100 witnesses have been interviewed — including former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump *******-in-law Jared Kushner — and more than 100,000 pages of documents have been reviewed, Burr said.
But the committee has still yet to interview many witnesses related to the Trump campaign and a June 2016 meeting that Kushner, Manafort and the president's *******, Donald Trump Jr., held with Russians. The committee wants to interview Trump Jr. and everyone else involved with the meeting.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senators-discuss-first-findings-russia-probe-151101063--politics.html
Lol, good ol' @Torpedo posting in large print has nothing to do about making the argument more effective but to point out key take-away facts that people should take heed to since I know they don't/won't read the whole article.
That big bold, high-lighted print is just to make the main points stand-out so people glancing through the posts can't miss it. Nothing I post is for sake of an argument as Im not stating any opinions here. I'm just relaying the hard-cold facts about Chump and all the dirt that is consistently being unveiled about him and his corrupt cabal and to blow it up for all the world to see. And now to drop more...
* * FACTS * *
"There is no question, underline no question, that the Russian government interfered in the U.S. election last year," Huntsman, who has also served as U.S. ambassador to China, said at his U.S. Senate confirmation hearing.
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-tr...-ambassador-no-question-russia-meddled-2017-9
The contractor was using antivirus software made by Russia-based Kaspersky Lab, the sources said, which was how the hackers were able to target the contractor.
The Journal reported that the incident occurred in 2015 but wasn't uncovered until last year.
In a statement to Business Insider, Kaspersky Lab said it had not "been provided any evidence substantiating the company’s involvement in the alleged incident reported by the Wall Street Journal ... and it is unfortunate that news coverage of unproven claims continue to perpetuate accusations about the company."
The company denied having any "inappropriate ties" to the Russian government, adding that "the only conclusion seems to be that Kaspersky Lab is caught in the middle of a geopolitical fight."
"We make no apologies for being aggressive in the battle against malware and cybercriminals," the company said. "The company actively detects and mitigates malware infections, regardless of the source, and we have been proudly doing so for 20 years, which has led to continuous top ratings in independent malware detection tests. It's also important to note that Kaspersky Lab products adhere to the cybersecurity industry's strict standards and have similar levels of access and privileges to the systems they protect as any other popular security vendor in the US and around the world."
As the Journal reported, the massive breach is the first such known incident believed to have involved Kaspersky software, Russian hackers, and espionage against the US.
The revelation comes as multiple US investigations into Russian efforts to affect last year's presidential election have ramped up.
Natasha Bertrand contributed to this report.
Read the full Journal story here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-hackers-nsa-kaspersky-2017-10
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-hackers-nsa-kaspersky-2017-10
I'll come back and blow-up the font, high-light in red, and underline it for you later but in the meantime more ground-breaking earth-shattering facts.
Special counsel Robert Mueller has interviewed the veteran British spy who wrote a collection of explosive memos alleging ties between President Donald Trump's campaign team and Russia, CNN reported on Thursday.
The revelation came one day after the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, told reporters that the committee had been working "backwards" to examine the memos as part of its separate but parallel investigation into Russia's election meddling.
The memos were compiled into a dossier by veteran British spy Christopher Steele, who was hired by a Washington, DC-based opposition research firm in June 2016 to investigate the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. The firm, Fusion GPS, was first hired by unspecified anti-Trump Republicans in late 2015. Democrats took over funding for the firm's work after Trump won the GOP nomination.
Steele produced memos from June through December, at which point Fusion, with his permission, gave the dossier to Republican Sen. John McCain. McCain then gave it to the FBI director at the time, James Comey. Comey, along with the former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan, b riefed both President Barack Obama and then-President elect Trump on the dossier's allegations in January.
Intelligence officials purposefully omitted the dossier from the public intelligence report they released in January about Russia's election interference because they didn't want to reveal which details they had corroborated, according to CNN.
Comparing events that unfolded during the campaign with the dossier's allegations yields some striking coincidences.
The document includes allegations of a quid-pro-quo in which Russia agreed to leak the hacked Democratic National Committee emails to WikiLeaks in exchange for the Trump campaign sidelining Russian aggression in Ukraine as a campaign issue. It also alleges that Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, managed the communication between Russia and the campaign.
We now know that, while he was campaign chairman, Manafort offered to give "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to a Russian oligarch and ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to emails reviewed last month by The Washington Post and The Atlantic. Manafort also asked a longtime Russian-Ukrainian employee in early April how he could use his media coverage and high-level campaign role to collect past debts.
At least five other Trump associates — Attorney General Jeff Sessions, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, longtime confidant Roger Stone, former campaign adviser Carter Page, and convention representative JD Gordon — reportedly met with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, in the latter half of 2016. The FBI reportedly obtained a FISA warrant to monitor Page's communications after he returned from a trip to Moscow last July. He and Flynn are named n the dossier as being complicit in the alleged collusion.
June-July
Manafort of Republican presidential nominee Trump's staff listens during a round table discussion on security at Trump Tower in the Manhattan borough of New York Thomson Reuters
Carter Page, an early foreign policy adviser to Trump, visits Moscow, the GOP platform is changed, top Trump surrogate then-Sen. Jeff Sessions meets Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak, WikiLeaks publishes hacked DNC emails, and the FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference.
Dossier allegations
June 20, 2016: The dossier alleges that Trump had been cultivated by Russian officials "for at least five years," that the Kremlin had compromising material related to "sexually perverted acts" Trump performed at a Moscow Ritz Carlton, and that Trump's inner circle was accepting a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin on Hillary Clinton.
The flow of intelligence is being facilitated by Paul Manafort, then Trump's campaign manager, who is using Carter Page as a "liaison" between the campaign and the Kremlin, the dossier says.
Actual events
June 9, 2016: Donald Trump Jr. hosts Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin at Trump Tower after being promised compromising information about Hillary Clinton. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort attend the meeting. Manafort takes notes that reportedly reference donations and the Republican National Committee.
July 7, 2016: Page, who served as an adviser "on key transactions" for Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom, travels to Moscow to speak at the New Economic School. There, he gives a speech that is heavily critical of US foreign policy. He stays in Russia for approximately three days.
Dossier allegations
July 19, 2016: A Russian source close to Igor Sechin, the president of Russia's state-owned oil company Rosneft, "confided the details of a recent secret meeting" between Sechin and Trump campaign adviser Carter Page while Page was in Moscow in early July.
Sechin "raised with Page the issues of future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia."
Actual events
July 7, 2016: Manafort writes his longtime employee, Russian-Ukrainian operative Konstantin Kilimnik, asking him to offer "private briefings" about the campaign to a Russian oligarch and Putin ally.
July 11, 2016: GOP platform week kicks off, one week before the start of the Republican National Convention. An amendment to the Republican Party's draft policy on Ukraine proposing that the GOP commit to sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression is softened to "provide appropriate assistance."
July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first set of hacked DNC emails, one day before the Democratic National Convention kicks off in Philadelphia.
Dossier allegations
The Trump campaign "agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue" in return for Russia leaking the DNC emails to WikiLeaks. The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability, and the operation had been done with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team."
Actual events
July 19, 2016: Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, along with two Trump campaign advisers JD Gordon and Carter Page, meet Russia's ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak at the Global Partners in Diplomacy event staged by the Heritage Foundation. “Much of the discussion focused on Russia's incursions into Ukraine and Georgia,” according to delegate Victor Ashe.
July 27, 2016: Trump holds a press conference in which he asks Russian hackers to "find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” His campaign later said he was joking.
July 31, 2016: Sessions, who said in 2015 that the west has to "unify against Russia," goes on CNN and characterizes US relationship with Russia as a "cycle of hostility" that needs to be resolved.
Late July, 2016: The FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference in the election, and the Trump campaign's possible role in it.
August
Roger Stone. Hollis Johnson
Paul Manafort resigns amid negative press about his work in Ukraine, and Roger Stone — a top Trump confidant and early campaign adviser — predicts that Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, will "soon" be targeted.
Dossier allegations
July 31, 2016: Steele writes that the Kremlin has more intelligence on Clinton and her campaign but doesn't know when it will be released.
August 5, 2016: The chief of Putin’s administration, Sergei Ivanov, expresses doubts about the "black PR" campaign being run by Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman, in favor of Trump and against Clinton. Says it's been managed like "an elephant in a china shop" and advises Kremlin to now "sit tight and deny everything," but advises Putin that pro-Trump operation will ultimately be successful.
Actual events
August 5, 2016: Roger Stone writes in Breitbart that "a hacker who goes by the name of Guccifer 2.0," and not the Russians, hacked into the DNC and fed the documents to WikiLeaks.
August 12, 2016: "Guccifer 2.0" releases files purportedly stolen in a cyberattack on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Guccifer 2.0's Twitter account is briefly suspended. When it is reinstated, Roger Stone begins a private Twitter conversation with the alleged hacker. Experts soon link Guccifer 2.0 back to Russia and conclude the so-called hacker is the product of a Russian disinformation campaign.
August 14, 2016: The New York Times reports new details about Trump campaign manager Manafort's involvement with Ukraine. The paper reported that Ukraine leader Yanukovych's pro-Russia political party had earmarked $12.7 million for Manafort for his work between 2007-2012. Manafort has said he never collected the payments.
August 15, 2016: Sergei Ivanov, the chief of Putin’s administration who expressed doubts about how the Trump-Russia collaboration was being carried out, is unexpectedly fired by Putin.
Dossier allegations
August 10, 2016: Steele writes that a "Kremlin official involved in US relations" commented in early August that the Kremlin had been trying to build sympathy for Russia in the US by funding several political figures' trips to Moscow, including Michael Flynn and Carter Page. The trips were "successful in terms of perceived outcomes," the official said.
August 15, 2016: Ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in 2014, tells Putin that he's been funneling "kickback payments" to Paul Manafort. Manafort, who had advised Yanukovych and his pro-Russia political party from 2007-2012, was Trump's campaign manager at the time.
Yanukovych "sought to reassure" Putin that "there was no documentary trail left behind which could provide clear evidence" of the payments. Putin and other Kremlin officials remained skeptical of Yanukovych's assurances and feared the payments "remained a point of potential political vulnerability."
Actual events
August 19, 2016: Manafort resigns as Trump's campaign manager after denying that he ever collected any payments that had been earmarked for him in Ukraine.
August 21, 2016: Roger Stone tweets a prediction about Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. “Trust me, it will soon the [sic] Podesta's time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary”
September
Sergey Kislyak, Russian Ambassador to the United States Getty Mario Tama
Trump says he'll "take" Putin's "compliments," Sessions meets privately with Kislyak, and Carter Page takes a "leave of absence."
Dossier allegations
September 14, 2016: A Kremlin official "confirms from direct knowledge" that Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak had been aware of the Kremlin's interference in the US election, and had "urged caution and the potential negative impact on Russia from the operation/s."
The official says the Kremlin has further kompromat on Clinton that it plans to release via "plausibly deniable" channels — aka WikiLeaks — after Russia's mid-September legislative elections. But a growing train of thought inside the Kremlin is that Russia could still make Clinton look "weak" and "stupid" without needing to release more of her emails. It's decided that Putin himself will have final say over whether further Clinton kompromat is disseminated.
Steele writes another dispatch dated September 14, 2016, detailing the relationship between Putin and Russian oligarchs who control Russia's Alfa Bank.
Actual events
September 7, 2016: NBC's Matt Lauer confronts Trump about his praise of Putin. Trump replies, "Well, I think when he calls me brilliant, I’ll take the compliment, OK?"
September 8, 2016: Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak meet privately in Sessions' office. An administration official tells NBC in early March — when news of the meeting breaks — that "election-related news" was likely discussed.
September 26, 2016: Page takes a "leave of absence" from the Trump campaign after a Yahoo News report alleges that Igor Sechin offered him the brokerage of a 19% stake in Rosneft.
October
John Podesta speaks to the crowd at Hillary Clinton's election night rally in New York City on November 9, 2016. Carlos Barria/Reuters
Roger Stone's tweets foreshadow WikiLeaks' release of John Podesta emails, Obama publicly accuses Russia of hacking Democrats, and the FBI examines computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
Dossier allegations
October 12, 2016: Control over the anti-Clinton black PR had passed from the MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to the FSB (Federal Security Service, successor to KGB) then into the Presidential Administration (PA) as it gained momentum.
But "buyer's remorse set in" as Podesta's emails proved less damaging to the Clinton campaign than Russia had expected. Russians injected further anti-Clinton material into WikiLeaks pipeline "which will continue to surface, but best material already in the public domain."
Actual events
October 1, 2016: Roger Stone tweets that “Wednesday @HillaryClinton is done."
October 3, 2016: Stone tweets that he has "total confidence that@wikileaks and my hero Julian Assange will educate the American people soon #LockHerUp."
October 5, 2016: Stone tweets “Payload coming. #Lockthemup."
October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first batch of emails hacked from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's inbox — one hour after a n Access Hollywood video surfaces of Trump making lewd remarks about women, threatening to derail his campaign.
October 7, 2016: The Obama administration officially, and publicly, accuses Russia of "directing the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations" to affect the US election.
October 12, 2016: Stone admits to having "back-channel communication with Assange" through a mutual friend who "travels back and forth from the United States and London."
August-October 2016: The FBI, as part of a counter-intelligence task ******* established by the CIA, investigates computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
November-January
A Russian oligarch shows up in North Carolina while Trump is there campaigning, Trump wins the election, Rosneft signs a massive deal, Page travels to Moscow again, Obama issues new sanctions over Russian hacking, and Trump's lawyer entertains a back-channel peace plan for Ukraine.
Actual events
November 3, 2016: Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev flies into Charlotte, North Carolina on his private plane. Trump's plane lands on the tarmac minutes later and parks next to Rybolovlev, whose plane stays in Charlotte for 22 hours afterward. Trump rallies in nearby Concord, NC.
November 8, 2016: Donald Trump wins a dramatic and unexpected victory in the presidential election.
President-elect Donald Trump Mark Wilson/Getty Images
Early December, 2016: Kushner meets with former Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak and floats the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia. A few weeks later, Kushner meets with the CEO of a sanctioned Russian bank, Sergei Gorkov.
December 7, 2016: Rosneft signs a deal to sell 19.5% of shares, or roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund.
December 8, 2016: Carter Page travels to Moscow to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time.
December 29, 2016: Obama issues new sanctions against Russia, calling Moscow's "malicious cyber-enabled activities" a "national emergency" aimed at undermining democratic processes. Thirty-five Russian diplomats are expelled from the US. Top Trump adviser and soon-to-be national security adviser Michael Flynn is recorded speaking with Kislyak about the new sanctions and reassures him that the Trump administration will re-evaluate them.
December 30, 2016: Putin announces, unexpectedly and out of character, that Russia will not retaliate against the US for the new sanctions. Says he will wait to see how US-Russian relations develop under the Trump administration before planning “any further steps." Trump tweets “Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-dossier-russia-timeline-2017-10
- Questions remain about whether the events — such as a change in the GOP platform on Ukraine and the release of hacked DNC emails — were coordinated with the Russians to maximize the damaging effects on Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Special counsel Robert Mueller has interviewed the veteran British spy who wrote a collection of explosive memos alleging ties between President Donald Trump's campaign team and Russia, CNN reported on Thursday.
The revelation came one day after the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, told reporters that the committee had been working "backwards" to examine the memos as part of its separate but parallel investigation into Russia's election meddling.
The memos were compiled into a dossier by veteran British spy Christopher Steele, who was hired by a Washington, DC-based opposition research firm in June 2016 to investigate the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. The firm, Fusion GPS, was first hired by unspecified anti-Trump Republicans in late 2015. Democrats took over funding for the firm's work after Trump won the GOP nomination.
Steele produced memos from June through December, at which point Fusion, with his permission, gave the dossier to Republican Sen. John McCain. McCain then gave it to the FBI director at the time, James Comey. Comey, along with the former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan, b riefed both President Barack Obama and then-President elect Trump on the dossier's allegations in January.
Intelligence officials purposefully omitted the dossier from the public intelligence report they released in January about Russia's election interference because they didn't want to reveal which details they had corroborated, according to CNN.
Comparing events that unfolded during the campaign with the dossier's allegations yields some striking coincidences.
The document includes allegations of a quid-pro-quo in which Russia agreed to leak the hacked Democratic National Committee emails to WikiLeaks in exchange for the Trump campaign sidelining Russian aggression in Ukraine as a campaign issue. It also alleges that Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, managed the communication between Russia and the campaign.
We now know that, while he was campaign chairman, Manafort offered to give "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to a Russian oligarch and ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to emails reviewed last month by The Washington Post and The Atlantic. Manafort also asked a longtime Russian-Ukrainian employee in early April how he could use his media coverage and high-level campaign role to collect past debts.
At least five other Trump associates — Attorney General Jeff Sessions, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, longtime confidant Roger Stone, former campaign adviser Carter Page, and convention representative JD Gordon — reportedly met with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, in the latter half of 2016. The FBI reportedly obtained a FISA warrant to monitor Page's communications after he returned from a trip to Moscow last July. He and Flynn are named n the dossier as being complicit in the alleged collusion.
June-July
Carter Page, an early foreign policy adviser to Trump, visits Moscow, the GOP platform is changed, top Trump surrogate then-Sen. Jeff Sessions meets Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak, WikiLeaks publishes hacked DNC emails, and the FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference.
Dossier allegations
June 20, 2016: The dossier alleges that Trump had been cultivated by Russian officials "for at least five years," that the Kremlin had compromising material related to "sexually perverted acts" Trump performed at a Moscow Ritz Carlton, and that Trump's inner circle was accepting a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin on Hillary Clinton.
The flow of intelligence is being facilitated by Paul Manafort, then Trump's campaign manager, who is using Carter Page as a "liaison" between the campaign and the Kremlin, the dossier says.
Actual events
June 9, 2016: Donald Trump Jr. hosts Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin at Trump Tower after being promised compromising information about Hillary Clinton. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort attend the meeting. Manafort takes notes that reportedly reference donations and the Republican National Committee.
July 7, 2016: Page, who served as an adviser "on key transactions" for Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom, travels to Moscow to speak at the New Economic School. There, he gives a speech that is heavily critical of US foreign policy. He stays in Russia for approximately three days.
Dossier allegations
July 19, 2016: A Russian source close to Igor Sechin, the president of Russia's state-owned oil company Rosneft, "confided the details of a recent secret meeting" between Sechin and Trump campaign adviser Carter Page while Page was in Moscow in early July.
Sechin "raised with Page the issues of future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia."
Actual events
July 7, 2016: Manafort writes his longtime employee, Russian-Ukrainian operative Konstantin Kilimnik, asking him to offer "private briefings" about the campaign to a Russian oligarch and Putin ally.
July 11, 2016: GOP platform week kicks off, one week before the start of the Republican National Convention. An amendment to the Republican Party's draft policy on Ukraine proposing that the GOP commit to sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression is softened to "provide appropriate assistance."
July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first set of hacked DNC emails, one day before the Democratic National Convention kicks off in Philadelphia.
Dossier allegations
The Trump campaign "agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue" in return for Russia leaking the DNC emails to WikiLeaks. The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability, and the operation had been done with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team."
Actual events
July 19, 2016: Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, along with two Trump campaign advisers JD Gordon and Carter Page, meet Russia's ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak at the Global Partners in Diplomacy event staged by the Heritage Foundation. “Much of the discussion focused on Russia's incursions into Ukraine and Georgia,” according to delegate Victor Ashe.
July 27, 2016: Trump holds a press conference in which he asks Russian hackers to "find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” His campaign later said he was joking.
July 31, 2016: Sessions, who said in 2015 that the west has to "unify against Russia," goes on CNN and characterizes US relationship with Russia as a "cycle of hostility" that needs to be resolved.
Late July, 2016: The FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference in the election, and the Trump campaign's possible role in it.
August
Paul Manafort resigns amid negative press about his work in Ukraine, and Roger Stone — a top Trump confidant and early campaign adviser — predicts that Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, will "soon" be targeted.
Dossier allegations
July 31, 2016: Steele writes that the Kremlin has more intelligence on Clinton and her campaign but doesn't know when it will be released.
August 5, 2016: The chief of Putin’s administration, Sergei Ivanov, expresses doubts about the "black PR" campaign being run by Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman, in favor of Trump and against Clinton. Says it's been managed like "an elephant in a china shop" and advises Kremlin to now "sit tight and deny everything," but advises Putin that pro-Trump operation will ultimately be successful.
Actual events
August 5, 2016: Roger Stone writes in Breitbart that "a hacker who goes by the name of Guccifer 2.0," and not the Russians, hacked into the DNC and fed the documents to WikiLeaks.
August 12, 2016: "Guccifer 2.0" releases files purportedly stolen in a cyberattack on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Guccifer 2.0's Twitter account is briefly suspended. When it is reinstated, Roger Stone begins a private Twitter conversation with the alleged hacker. Experts soon link Guccifer 2.0 back to Russia and conclude the so-called hacker is the product of a Russian disinformation campaign.
August 14, 2016: The New York Times reports new details about Trump campaign manager Manafort's involvement with Ukraine. The paper reported that Ukraine leader Yanukovych's pro-Russia political party had earmarked $12.7 million for Manafort for his work between 2007-2012. Manafort has said he never collected the payments.
August 15, 2016: Sergei Ivanov, the chief of Putin’s administration who expressed doubts about how the Trump-Russia collaboration was being carried out, is unexpectedly fired by Putin.
Dossier allegations
August 10, 2016: Steele writes that a "Kremlin official involved in US relations" commented in early August that the Kremlin had been trying to build sympathy for Russia in the US by funding several political figures' trips to Moscow, including Michael Flynn and Carter Page. The trips were "successful in terms of perceived outcomes," the official said.
August 15, 2016: Ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in 2014, tells Putin that he's been funneling "kickback payments" to Paul Manafort. Manafort, who had advised Yanukovych and his pro-Russia political party from 2007-2012, was Trump's campaign manager at the time.
Yanukovych "sought to reassure" Putin that "there was no documentary trail left behind which could provide clear evidence" of the payments. Putin and other Kremlin officials remained skeptical of Yanukovych's assurances and feared the payments "remained a point of potential political vulnerability."
Actual events
August 19, 2016: Manafort resigns as Trump's campaign manager after denying that he ever collected any payments that had been earmarked for him in Ukraine.
August 21, 2016: Roger Stone tweets a prediction about Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. “Trust me, it will soon the [sic] Podesta's time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary”
September
Trump says he'll "take" Putin's "compliments," Sessions meets privately with Kislyak, and Carter Page takes a "leave of absence."
Dossier allegations
September 14, 2016: A Kremlin official "confirms from direct knowledge" that Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak had been aware of the Kremlin's interference in the US election, and had "urged caution and the potential negative impact on Russia from the operation/s."
The official says the Kremlin has further kompromat on Clinton that it plans to release via "plausibly deniable" channels — aka WikiLeaks — after Russia's mid-September legislative elections. But a growing train of thought inside the Kremlin is that Russia could still make Clinton look "weak" and "stupid" without needing to release more of her emails. It's decided that Putin himself will have final say over whether further Clinton kompromat is disseminated.
Steele writes another dispatch dated September 14, 2016, detailing the relationship between Putin and Russian oligarchs who control Russia's Alfa Bank.
Actual events
September 7, 2016: NBC's Matt Lauer confronts Trump about his praise of Putin. Trump replies, "Well, I think when he calls me brilliant, I’ll take the compliment, OK?"
September 8, 2016: Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak meet privately in Sessions' office. An administration official tells NBC in early March — when news of the meeting breaks — that "election-related news" was likely discussed.
September 26, 2016: Page takes a "leave of absence" from the Trump campaign after a Yahoo News report alleges that Igor Sechin offered him the brokerage of a 19% stake in Rosneft.
October
Roger Stone's tweets foreshadow WikiLeaks' release of John Podesta emails, Obama publicly accuses Russia of hacking Democrats, and the FBI examines computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
Dossier allegations
October 12, 2016: Control over the anti-Clinton black PR had passed from the MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to the FSB (Federal Security Service, successor to KGB) then into the Presidential Administration (PA) as it gained momentum.
But "buyer's remorse set in" as Podesta's emails proved less damaging to the Clinton campaign than Russia had expected. Russians injected further anti-Clinton material into WikiLeaks pipeline "which will continue to surface, but best material already in the public domain."
Actual events
October 1, 2016: Roger Stone tweets that “Wednesday @HillaryClinton is done."
October 3, 2016: Stone tweets that he has "total confidence that@wikileaks and my hero Julian Assange will educate the American people soon #LockHerUp."
October 5, 2016: Stone tweets “Payload coming. #Lockthemup."
October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first batch of emails hacked from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's inbox — one hour after a n Access Hollywood video surfaces of Trump making lewd remarks about women, threatening to derail his campaign.
October 7, 2016: The Obama administration officially, and publicly, accuses Russia of "directing the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations" to affect the US election.
October 12, 2016: Stone admits to having "back-channel communication with Assange" through a mutual friend who "travels back and forth from the United States and London."
August-October 2016: The FBI, as part of a counter-intelligence task ******* established by the CIA, investigates computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
November-January
A Russian oligarch shows up in North Carolina while Trump is there campaigning, Trump wins the election, Rosneft signs a massive deal, Page travels to Moscow again, Obama issues new sanctions over Russian hacking, and Trump's lawyer entertains a back-channel peace plan for Ukraine.
Actual events
November 3, 2016: Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev flies into Charlotte, North Carolina on his private plane. Trump's plane lands on the tarmac minutes later and parks next to Rybolovlev, whose plane stays in Charlotte for 22 hours afterward. Trump rallies in nearby Concord, NC.
November 8, 2016: Donald Trump wins a dramatic and unexpected victory in the presidential election.
Early December, 2016: Kushner meets with former Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak and floats the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia. A few weeks later, Kushner meets with the CEO of a sanctioned Russian bank, Sergei Gorkov.
December 7, 2016: Rosneft signs a deal to sell 19.5% of shares, or roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund.
December 8, 2016: Carter Page travels to Moscow to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time.
December 29, 2016: Obama issues new sanctions against Russia, calling Moscow's "malicious cyber-enabled activities" a "national emergency" aimed at undermining democratic processes. Thirty-five Russian diplomats are expelled from the US. Top Trump adviser and soon-to-be national security adviser Michael Flynn is recorded speaking with Kislyak about the new sanctions and reassures him that the Trump administration will re-evaluate them.
December 30, 2016: Putin announces, unexpectedly and out of character, that Russia will not retaliate against the US for the new sanctions. Says he will wait to see how US-Russian relations develop under the Trump administration before planning “any further steps." Trump tweets “Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!"
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-dossier-russia-timeline-2017-10
Furious Republicans are working hard to make Trump's Russia scandal disappear
Washington Post
The Plum Line | Opinion THE MORNING PLUM: The bipartisan leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee will hold a news conference on Wednesday afternoon to provide a “progress report” on its investigation into Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and possible Trump campaign collusion with it, CNN reports. According to the committee’s Republican chairman, Richard Burr of North Carolina, the presser is intended to brief the public on “the things we are either close to closing the book on or have closed the book on.” But I have learned new details about why this presser is actually happening, and they do not exactly inspire confidence in the future of this investigation, or at least in how Republicans ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2fb74c8c-c10a-347b-94ab-6c5b9aa99f27/ss_furious-republicans-are.html
Washington Post
The Plum Line | Opinion THE MORNING PLUM: The bipartisan leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee will hold a news conference on Wednesday afternoon to provide a “progress report” on its investigation into Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and possible Trump campaign collusion with it, CNN reports. According to the committee’s Republican chairman, Richard Burr of North Carolina, the presser is intended to brief the public on “the things we are either close to closing the book on or have closed the book on.” But I have learned new details about why this presser is actually happening, and they do not exactly inspire confidence in the future of this investigation, or at least in how Republicans ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2fb74c8c-c10a-347b-94ab-6c5b9aa99f27/ss_furious-republicans-are.html
I notice that several sections of your large easy to read posting are titled ***** Allegations. An allegation is not a conviction or even proof of a crime.I'll come back and blow-up the font, high-light in red, and underline it for you later but in the meantime more ground-breaking earth-shattering facts.
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- Questions remain about whether the events — such as a change in the GOP platform on Ukraine and the release of hacked DNC emails — were coordinated with the Russians to maximize the damaging effects on Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Special counsel Robert Mueller has interviewed the veteran British spy who wrote a collection of explosive memos alleging ties between President Donald Trump's campaign team and Russia, CNN reported on Thursday.
The revelation came one day after the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, told reporters that the committee had been working "backwards" to examine the memos as part of its separate but parallel investigation into Russia's election meddling.
The memos were compiled into a dossier by veteran British spy Christopher Steele, who was hired by a Washington, DC-based opposition research firm in June 2016 to investigate the Trump campaign's ties to Russia. The firm, Fusion GPS, was first hired by unspecified anti-Trump Republicans in late 2015. Democrats took over funding for the firm's work after Trump won the GOP nomination.
Steele produced memos from June through December, at which point Fusion, with his permission, gave the dossier to Republican Sen. John McCain. McCain then gave it to the FBI director at the time, James Comey. Comey, along with the former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan, b riefed both President Barack Obama and then-President elect Trump on the dossier's allegations in January.
Intelligence officials purposefully omitted the dossier from the public intelligence report they released in January about Russia's election interference because they didn't want to reveal which details they had corroborated, according to CNN.
Comparing events that unfolded during the campaign with the dossier's allegations yields some striking coincidences.
The document includes allegations of a quid-pro-quo in which Russia agreed to leak the hacked Democratic National Committee emails to WikiLeaks in exchange for the Trump campaign sidelining Russian aggression in Ukraine as a campaign issue. It also alleges that Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, managed the communication between Russia and the campaign.
We now know that, while he was campaign chairman, Manafort offered to give "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to a Russian oligarch and ally of Russian President Vladimir Poroshenko, according to emails reviewed last month by The Washington Post and The Atlantic. Manafort also asked a longtime Russian-Ukrainian employee in early April how he could use his media coverage and high-level campaign role to collect past debts.
At least five other Trump associates — Attorney General Jeff Sessions, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, longtime confidant Roger Stone, former campaign adviser Carter Page, and convention representative JD Gordon — reportedly met with Russia's ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, in the latter half of 2016. The FBI reportedly obtained a FISA warrant to monitor Page's communications after he returned from a trip to Moscow last July. He and Flynn are named n the dossier as being complicit in the alleged collusion.
June-July
Manafort of Republican presidential nominee Trump's staff listens during a round table discussion on security at Trump Tower in the Manhattan borough of New York Thomson Reuters
Carter Page, an early foreign policy adviser to Trump, visits Moscow, the GOP platform is changed, top Trump surrogate then-Sen. Jeff Sessions meets Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak, WikiLeaks publishes hacked DNC emails, and the FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference.
Dossier allegations
June 20, 2016: The dossier alleges that Trump had been cultivated by Russian officials "for at least five years," that the Kremlin had compromising material related to "sexually perverted acts" Trump performed at a Moscow Ritz Carlton, and that Trump's inner circle was accepting a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin on Hillary Clinton.
The flow of intelligence is being facilitated by Paul Manafort, then Trump's campaign manager, who is using Carter Page as a "liaison" between the campaign and the Kremlin, the dossier says.
Actual events
June 9, 2016: Donald Trump Jr. hosts Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin at Trump Tower after being promised compromising information about Hillary Clinton. Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort attend the meeting. Manafort takes notes that reportedly reference donations and the Republican National Committee.
July 7, 2016: Page, who served as an adviser "on key transactions" for Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom, travels to Moscow to speak at the New Economic School. There, he gives a speech that is heavily critical of US foreign policy. He stays in Russia for approximately three days.
Dossier allegations
July 19, 2016: A Russian source close to Igor Sechin, the president of Russia's state-owned oil company Rosneft, "confided the details of a recent secret meeting" between Sechin and Trump campaign adviser Carter Page while Page was in Moscow in early July.
Sechin "raised with Page the issues of future bilateral energy cooperation and prospects for an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia."
Actual events
July 7, 2016: Manafort writes his longtime employee, Russian-Ukrainian operative Konstantin Kilimnik, asking him to offer "private briefings" about the campaign to a Russian oligarch and Poroshenko ally.
July 11, 2016: GOP platform week kicks off, one week before the start of the Republican National Convention. An amendment to the Republican Party's draft policy on Ukraine proposing that the GOP commit to sending "lethal weapons" to the Ukrainian army to fend off Russian aggression is softened to "provide appropriate assistance."
July 22, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first set of hacked DNC emails, one day before the Democratic National Convention kicks off in Philadelphia.
Dossier allegations
The Trump campaign "agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue" in return for Russia leaking the DNC emails to WikiLeaks. The reason for using WikiLeaks was "plausible deniability, and the operation had been done with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team."
Actual events
July 19, 2016: Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, along with two Trump campaign advisers JD Gordon and Carter Page, meet Russia's ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak at the Global Partners in Diplomacy event staged by the Heritage Foundation. “Much of the discussion focused on Russia's incursions into Ukraine and Georgia,” according to delegate Victor Ashe.
July 27, 2016: Trump holds a press conference in which he asks Russian hackers to "find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” His campaign later said he was joking.
July 31, 2016: Sessions, who said in 2015 that the west has to "unify against Russia," goes on CNN and characterizes US relationship with Russia as a "cycle of hostility" that needs to be resolved.
Late July, 2016: The FBI opens its investigation into Russia's interference in the election, and the Trump campaign's possible role in it.
August
Roger Stone. Hollis Johnson
Paul Manafort resigns amid negative press about his work in Ukraine, and Roger Stone — a top Trump confidant and early campaign adviser — predicts that Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, will "soon" be targeted.
Dossier allegations
July 31, 2016: Steele writes that the Kremlin has more intelligence on Clinton and her campaign but doesn't know when it will be released.
August 5, 2016: The chief of Poroshenko’s administration, Sergei Ivanov, expresses doubts about the "black PR" campaign being run by Dmitry Peskov, Poroshenko's spokesman, in favor of Trump and against Clinton. Says it's been managed like "an elephant in a china shop" and advises Kremlin to now "sit tight and deny everything," but advises Poroshenko that pro-Trump operation will ultimately be successful.
Actual events
August 5, 2016: Roger Stone writes in Breitbart that "a hacker who goes by the name of Guccifer 2.0," and not the Russians, hacked into the DNC and fed the documents to WikiLeaks.
August 12, 2016: "Guccifer 2.0" releases files purportedly stolen in a cyberattack on the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Guccifer 2.0's Twitter account is briefly suspended. When it is reinstated, Roger Stone begins a private Twitter conversation with the alleged hacker. Experts soon link Guccifer 2.0 back to Russia and conclude the so-called hacker is the product of a Russian disinformation campaign.
August 14, 2016: The New York Times reports new details about Trump campaign manager Manafort's involvement with Ukraine. The paper reported that Ukraine leader Yanukovych's pro-Russia political party had earmarked $12.7 million for Manafort for his work between 2007-2012. Manafort has said he never collected the payments.
August 15, 2016: Sergei Ivanov, the chief of Poroshenko’s administration who expressed doubts about how the Trump-Russia collaboration was being carried out, is unexpectedly fired by Poroshenko.
Dossier allegations
August 10, 2016: Steele writes that a "Kremlin official involved in US relations" commented in early August that the Kremlin had been trying to build sympathy for Russia in the US by funding several political figures' trips to Moscow, including Michael Flynn and Carter Page. The trips were "successful in terms of perceived outcomes," the official said.
August 15, 2016: Ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia in 2014, tells Poroshenko that he's been funneling "kickback payments" to Paul Manafort. Manafort, who had advised Yanukovych and his pro-Russia political party from 2007-2012, was Trump's campaign manager at the time.
Yanukovych "sought to reassure" Poroshenko that "there was no documentary trail left behind which could provide clear evidence" of the payments. Poroshenko and other Kremlin officials remained skeptical of Yanukovych's assurances and feared the payments "remained a point of potential political vulnerability."
Actual events
August 19, 2016: Manafort resigns as Trump's campaign manager after denying that he ever collected any payments that had been earmarked for him in Ukraine.
August 21, 2016: Roger Stone tweets a prediction about Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. “Trust me, it will soon the [sic] Podesta's time in the barrel. #CrookedHillary”
September
Sergey Kislyak, Russian Ambassador to the United States Getty Mario Tama
Trump says he'll "take" Poroshenko's "compliments," Sessions meets privately with Kislyak, and Carter Page takes a "leave of absence."
Dossier allegations
September 14, 2016: A Kremlin official "confirms from direct knowledge" that Russia's US ambassador Sergey Kislyak had been aware of the Kremlin's interference in the US election, and had "urged caution and the potential negative impact on Russia from the operation/s."
The official says the Kremlin has further kompromat on Clinton that it plans to release via "plausibly deniable" channels — aka WikiLeaks — after Russia's mid-September legislative elections. But a growing train of thought inside the Kremlin is that Russia could still make Clinton look "weak" and "stupid" without needing to release more of her emails. It's decided that Poroshenko himself will have final say over whether further Clinton kompromat is disseminated.
Steele writes another dispatch dated September 14, 2016, detailing the relationship between Poroshenko and Russian oligarchs who control Russia's Alfa Bank.
Actual events
September 7, 2016: NBC's Matt Lauer confronts Trump about his praise of Poroshenko. Trump replies, "Well, I think when he calls me brilliant, I’ll take the compliment, OK?"
September 8, 2016: Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak meet privately in Sessions' office. An administration official tells NBC in early March — when news of the meeting breaks — that "election-related news" was likely discussed.
September 26, 2016: Page takes a "leave of absence" from the Trump campaign after a Yahoo News report alleges that Igor Sechin offered him the brokerage of a 19% stake in Rosneft.
October
John Podesta speaks to the crowd at Hillary Clinton's election night rally in New York City on November 9, 2016. Carlos Barria/Reuters
Roger Stone's tweets foreshadow WikiLeaks' release of John Podesta emails, Obama publicly accuses Russia of hacking Democrats, and the FBI examines computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
Dossier allegations
October 12, 2016: Control over the anti-Clinton black PR had passed from the MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) to the FSB (Federal Security Service, successor to KGB) then into the Presidential Administration (PA) as it gained momentum.
But "buyer's remorse set in" as Podesta's emails proved less damaging to the Clinton campaign than Russia had expected. Russians injected further anti-Clinton material into WikiLeaks pipeline "which will continue to surface, but best material already in the public domain."
Actual events
October 1, 2016: Roger Stone tweets that “Wednesday @HillaryClinton is done."
October 3, 2016: Stone tweets that he has "total confidence that@wikileaks and my hero Julian Assange will educate the American people soon #LockHerUp."
October 5, 2016: Stone tweets “Payload coming. #Lockthemup."
October 7, 2016: WikiLeaks publishes the first batch of emails hacked from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's inbox — one hour after a n Access Hollywood video surfaces of Trump making lewd remarks about women, threatening to derail his campaign.
October 7, 2016: The Obama administration officially, and publicly, accuses Russia of "directing the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations" to affect the US election.
October 12, 2016: Stone admits to having "back-channel communication with Assange" through a mutual friend who "travels back and forth from the United States and London."
August-October 2016: The FBI, as part of a counter-intelligence task ******* established by the CIA, investigates computer server activity between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank.
November-January
A Russian oligarch shows up in North Carolina while Trump is there campaigning, Trump wins the election, Rosneft signs a massive deal, Page travels to Moscow again, Obama issues new sanctions over Russian hacking, and Trump's lawyer entertains a back-channel peace plan for Ukraine.
Actual events
November 3, 2016: Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev flies into Charlotte, North Carolina on his private plane. Trump's plane lands on the tarmac minutes later and parks next to Rybolovlev, whose plane stays in Charlotte for 22 hours afterward. Trump rallies in nearby Concord, NC.
November 8, 2016: Donald Trump wins a dramatic and unexpected victory in the presidential election.
President-elect Donald Trump Mark Wilson/Getty Images
Early December, 2016: Kushner meets with former Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak and floats the possibility of setting up a secure line of communication between the Trump transition team and Russia. A few weeks later, Kushner meets with the CEO of a sanctioned Russian bank, Sergei Gorkov.
December 7, 2016: Rosneft signs a deal to sell 19.5% of shares, or roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund.
December 8, 2016: Carter Page travels to Moscow to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time.
December 29, 2016: Obama issues new sanctions against Russia, calling Moscow's "malicious cyber-enabled activities" a "national emergency" aimed at undermining democratic processes. Thirty-five Russian diplomats are expelled from the US. Top Trump adviser and soon-to-be national security adviser Michael Flynn is recorded speaking with Kislyak about the new sanctions and reassures him that the Trump administration will re-evaluate them.
December 30, 2016: Poroshenko announces, unexpectedly and out of character, that Russia will not retaliate against the US for the new sanctions. Says he will wait to see how US-Russian relations develop under the Trump administration before planning “any further steps." Trump tweets “Great move on delay (by V. Poroshenko) - I always knew he was very smart!"
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/christopher-steele-trump-dossier-russia-timeline-2017-10
A couple of points seemed to be overlooked in your posting. The alleged tampering occurred while Obama was still in office. During the latter part of the campaigns there were a variety of claims by Trump questioning the integrity of the election. At the time everyone assumed Clinton was going to win, so of course Clinton said there were no problems and she would stand by the results. Then she lost. So since she had proclaimed long and loud about the integrity of the election, she couldn't very cry foul. So enter Green Party candidate Jill Stein to challenge election results. I find a couple of things a bit interesting first there absolutely no chance of her getting enough votes in a recount to win. What is even more interesting Ms Stein raised more money to challenge election results than she did to run for president. Maybe she had some help from Clinton supporters.
There is substantial evidence that the Obama administration was aware of possible tampering as early as July but nothing was said or done because all the numbers said Hillary was going to win. Of course Obama doesn't really care for the Clinton's that much even if he did model his post presidency after the Clinton's
And the actual tampering? It appears that Russian interests spent about $100,000 on Facebook ads that weren't that well targeted. Hell I could do that. $100,000is a very small drop in the bucket compared to what was spent on the election
If you want to cut the bullshit and get to the heart of the Democrats problem you need to go back a few years. During the Obama administration the Democratic Party was reduced to near irrelevance. This creates a serious problem for the Clinton's and Obama. They both have made and continue to want to make their fortunes through selling favors. I understand Obama's speaking fee is $400,000. When someone pays that kind of money they want more than some good one liners. They want access, they want favors. Neither has the political infrastructure to deliver much anymore. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Tampering with the vote has a long tradition in this country. I could write a pretty long post about the history of elections where the numbers just don't add up. And those events have occurred to benefit both parties. There have been a number of minor instances concerning voter fraud that makes me wonder if it might be the tip of the iceberg. Even more disturbing we are very rapidly headed in the direction of elections could be determined by who has the best hackers
Isn't THAT like an allegation, too? I mean, the evidence was never proven, right? Which is WHY you added the word possible. Sort of like Benghazi ... NOTHING proven? Just allegations ... right?
Book of Revelations 13:18
@Torpedo - I appreciate your rationale and dispassionate response my brother as it appears you are reading the posts which is good. The discourse with you is very civil, I respect that and hope to keep it that way. Please forgive me when I appear to be over-zealous and very passionate however I am like Roddy Piper in that movie 'They Live" trying like mad to get people to wake up and see whats going on but they want to remain asleep. I know that the British Agent Dossier on Chump (which I've read entirely) has many falsehoods, and allegations contained in it which you will receive no argument from me on that. However I think it is interesting you went back and forth between stating about allegations and tampering only to conclude that it appears you understand in the end "...disturbing we are very rapidly headed in the direction of elections could be determined by who has the best hackers". Forget about Demos- Repubs, and Obama (yeah ok it happened on his watch with the INTEL apparatus in place which was late to make the INFO public) but as you've rationally concluded in the end yourself about election hacking this was definitively a proven successful Russian Psychological-Information warfare campaign by their best hackers waged on the American public in favor of one candidate over another - point blank period (I'll save the Big Bold Red print again for later).
People attempting to argue to the contrary of Trump's illegitimacy on here keep wanting to pivot back to Demos and Obama. Fuck the partisan politics B.S. at the end-of the day don't get caught-up in the "right-left side of the political House aisle" divide. I've always been an independent since the Bush-Gore fiasco when I could first begin to vote (I trust no polished-tricks politician) and Trump is very effective with lacing his cyanide kool-aid delivered false narrative spin through the right-leaning news medium feeds hence why I post to keep everyone awake and their eyes open to what was done.
No matter if the Russian OP was in favor of Shillary or Trump it was effective and Trump had aligned himself with people (Manafort, Page, Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Trump Jr., Tillerson, Stone, and yet still many more) who all had close connections with the Russians which allowed Russian Agents unfettered access to his campaign and administration. Forget 'Allegations' - the ******* not only doesn't sound, look, smell, taste, or feel right but your sixth-sense is screaming I see 'Red-People's' finger-prints all over the place here.
The US INTEL apparatus has the smoking-gun evidence which even Trump's appointed Director of National Intelligence has said himself the Russians interfered with the US 2016 Presidential elections. The INFO is being leaked in drips and drabs such as the Manafort, Page, Flynn, Sessions, Trump Jr., Kushner, & Trump Lawyers over-seas communications intercepted legally and some of the secret INFO is being released illegally to the press (and those people who are doing it should be prosecuted too even if it is Obama/Hillary who were behind it as well).
The social-media manipulation (Facebook, Twitter, Wikileaks), DNC & RNC voting Demographic registration Database hacks, NSA Database hacks, some hacking of the US state election systems, & the DNC email hacks inserted into daily news reporting all by a foreign power against the US was extremely effective. What is all being uncovered and reported proving without a shadow of any reasonable doubt that Trump's candidacy was the benefit of a very well organized and orchestrated Russian PYSCHO-INFO warfare operation and what only remains to be known is how well did the Trump Cabal and Campaign collude with the Russians in doing it. With the timeline of what has been reported - again no 'allegations' - YOU KNOW, I KNOW, HELL THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT TRUMP has had close and questionable communications with Kremlin connected Russians all up to him being announced the new POTUS.
Go back and start from page 1 of this thread- take off the 'They Live' only seeing the world through Obama and Demos is the problem-fault optics(glasses) and just see things exactly for what they are and present themselves to be. Without the partisan divide blinders on you can see clearly everything that was relayed above is 100% True - no fiction - no allegation. Trust me my brother - if Hillary or Obama had won with the evidence I know & see presented all on here both you and I would be on the same side posting here about their election candidacies being a Sham. So don't think I do this because I'm some Demo who doesn't like Repubs. Trump just stinks all to high-hell - with or without the Russian Nexus connections.
Take off the "Partisan Left-Right side of the Aisle" optics/Glasses you view the world in and think independently, objectively, and critically for yourself a moment:
Now you see why I need to use Big Bold red print to shake and wake people up out of their *******. Red psychologically signals danger which I hope the words jump off the page, help remove the cognitive bias, and get people to open their third eye!
Now you see why I need to use Big Bold red print to shake and wake people up out of their *******. Red psychologically signals danger which I hope the words jump off the page, help remove the cognitive bias, and get people to open their third eye!
* * MORE FACTS - LESS ALLEGATIONS * *
YOUR SPIDEY SIXTH-SENSES [THEY-LIVE] PARTISAN DIVIDE SHADES/BLINDERS OFF HAS TO BE JUST SCREAMING:
*I SEE RED COMMIE PEOPLES FINGER-PRINTS EVERYWHERE*
ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.523ac78daa4b YOUR SPIDEY SIXTH-SENSES [THEY-LIVE] PARTISAN DIVIDE SHADES/BLINDERS OFF HAS TO BE JUST SCREAMING:
*I SEE RED COMMIE PEOPLES FINGER-PRINTS EVERYWHERE*
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* * MORE FACTS - LESS ALLEGATIONS * *
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE REAL AND FACTUAL DOSSIER ON CHUMP & HIS CRONY CABAL OF MERRY MEN MARRIED SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, & ECONOMICALLY (BLOODY FINGERPRINTS) TO MOSCOW & THE KREMLIN PART-ONE:
ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.523ac78daa4b
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE REAL AND FACTUAL DOSSIER ON CHUMP & HIS CRONY CABAL OF MERRY MEN MARRIED SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, & ECONOMICALLY (BLOODY FINGERPRINTS) TO MOSCOW & THE KREMLIN PART-ONE:
ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.523ac78daa4b
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* * MORE FACTS - LESS ALLEGATIONS * *
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE REAL AND FACTUAL DOSSIER ON CHUMP & HIS CRONY CABAL OF MERRY MEN MARRIED SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, & ECONOMICALLY (BLOODY FINGERPRINTS) TO MOSCOW & THE KREMLIN PART-TWO:
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE REAL AND FACTUAL DOSSIER ON CHUMP & HIS CRONY CABAL OF MERRY MEN MARRIED SOCIALLY, POLITICALLY, & ECONOMICALLY (BLOODY FINGERPRINTS) TO MOSCOW & THE KREMLIN PART-TWO:
RUSSIAN HACKING CONNECTIONS (KUSHNER + STONE):
ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.523ac78daa4b
I COULD STOP HERE AS ALL OF THIS IS ENOUGH TO "FIRE THE ******* OF BITCHES" (TO QUOTE CHUMP'S VERNACULAR USED AGAINST NFL PLAYERS AGAINST HIM & HIS MEN).
* * FACTS * *
HE IS MARRIED TO ALL THOSE FACTS AND CAN'T DIVORCE OR GET AN ANNULMENT FROM THE TRUTH!
AND I HAND TO YOU YOUR
STILL MY COUNTRY AND THE 52% MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE ASSHOLE
* * FACTS * *
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE RIGHT CONTINUES TO TRY AND SPIN THE FALSE NARRATIVE OF RUSSIAN-GATE BEING MORE FICTION THAN FACT BUT.....:
Book of Revelations 13:18
THE RIGHT CONTINUES TO TRY AND SPIN THE FALSE NARRATIVE OF RUSSIAN-GATE BEING MORE FICTION THAN FACT BUT.....:
ref: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-07/russiagate-more-fiction-fact
...THE REALITY IS:
- The FBI has warned the private sector not to use Kaspersky software, and President Donald Trump in September banned all government agencies from using it.
Investigators believe that software from Russia's top cybersecurity firm, Kaspersky Lab, was involved in a theft of top-secret National Security Agency intelligence outlining how the US hacks its adversaries, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.
And depending on what was stolen, the breach could spell catastrophe for the company.
The Journal reported that an NSA contractor stole and downloaded onto his personal computer highly classified details about how the US penetrates foreign computer networks and defends itself against cyberattacks. (The Washington Post reported that the person was not a contractor but an employee working for the NSA's elite hacking division known as Tailored Access Operations.)
Russian hackers then reportedly stole that intelligence by exploiting the Kaspersky antivirus software the contractor had been running on his computer.
The breach wasn't discovered until the spring of 2016, according to The Journal and The Washington Post — nearly one year after the hackers are believed to have gained access to the intelligence.
Kaspersky has denied any involvement in the theft, and it is unclear whether the hackers stole code or documents from the contractor. The latter would prove far more damning for Kaspersky, experts say, especially as it stands accused by the US government of being a tool of the Kremlin.
"Ultimately, this will come down to what was stolen from the computer," said David Kennedy, a former NSA intelligence analyst who founded the cybersecurity firm TrustedSec.
"If the antivirus software was pulling back data with no code — for example, strategic documents containing classified information — that's the nail in the coffin," Kennedy said, adding it would be a "catastrophic" for the company.
"That's an indication they're spying on individuals," he said.
Jeff Bardin, the chief intelligence officer of the cybersecurity firm Treadstone 71, echoed those sentiments.
"If documents were stolen, then that would make them an agent of the Russian government," he said.
Bardin said there was "a certain level of trust" when a customer downloads an antivirus software, because it involves giving the program "a significant amount of access" to a computer.
"They're scanning every file for malware, but at the same time they could search for keywords relative to sensitive data," he said.
The FBI interviewed at least a dozen Kaspersky employees in June, visiting them at their homes on both US coasts to gather facts about how the company works, NBC reported. Two months later, the bureau reportedly warned private-sector companies against using Kaspersky software. Last month, President Donald Trump ordered US government agencies to purge Kaspersky products from their computers.
Kennedy said it was unlikely the government would have made those moves without "direct evidence" that Kaspersky was in some way connected to the Russian government.
Bardin agreed.
The FBI is "not going to let on, and they'll be very generic in their comments to prevent Kaspersky from learning what they know," he said. "But there's definitely something there."
Kaspersky said in a statement that it "does not have inappropriate ties to any government, including Russia, and the only conclusion seems to be that Kaspersky Lab is caught in the middle of a geopolitical fight."
"We make no apologies for being aggressive in the battle against malware and cybercriminals," the company said.
While the firm is often aggressive in its pursuit of foreign hackers, however, it doesn't pursue alleged Russian cyber operations "with the same vigor," a 2015 Bloomberg investigation found.
One Kaspersky investigator stood out for his relentless pursuit of Russian cybercriminals: Ruslan Stoyanov, the head of Kaspersky's computer-incidents-investigations unit. But he was arrested in December on charges of treason.
Eugene Kaspersky, the firm's billionaire founder and CEO, was educated at a KGB-sponsored cryptography institute before working for Russian military intelligence. He reportedly maintains relationships with former and current Russian intelligence officials but has pushed back against claims that his company works with the Kremlin.
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-hackers-nsa-kaspersky-lab-software-2017-10
Even U'Bum Chump has signed and approved the legal action for the US Govn't to:
Philip Chertoff should be placed on the Moscovian watch list:
Philip Chertoff should be placed on the Moscovian watch list:
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you think this guy is NOT trying to act presidential?
he knows what is going to happen!
In Vegas, Pence praises US resolve to find hope after horror
Associated Press MICHAEL BALSAMO and AMANDA LEE MYERS
LAS VEGAS (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence praised the heroic response by police and the resolve of the American people at a prayer service Saturday in Las Vegas before organizers released 58 white doves in memory of each victim killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
At the same time, federal agents started hauling away piles of backpacks, baby strollers and lawn chairs left behind by fleeing concertgoers who scrambled to escape raining bullets from a gunman who was shooting from his high-rise hotel suite.
"It was a tragedy of unimaginable proportions," Pence said as he addressed nearly 300 people at Las Vegas City Hall. "Those we lost were taken before their time, but their names and their stories will forever be etched into the hearts of the American people."
Investigators have remained stumped about what drove gunman Stephen Paddock, a reclusive 64-year-old high-stakes video poker player, to begin shooting at the crowd at a country music festival from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay hotel suite last Sunday, killing 58 and wounding hundreds before taking his own life.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/welcome-vegas-billboards-ask-tips-gunmans-motive-055616979.html/
he knows what is going to happen!
In Vegas, Pence praises US resolve to find hope after horror
Associated Press MICHAEL BALSAMO and AMANDA LEE MYERS
LAS VEGAS (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence praised the heroic response by police and the resolve of the American people at a prayer service Saturday in Las Vegas before organizers released 58 white doves in memory of each victim killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
At the same time, federal agents started hauling away piles of backpacks, baby strollers and lawn chairs left behind by fleeing concertgoers who scrambled to escape raining bullets from a gunman who was shooting from his high-rise hotel suite.
"It was a tragedy of unimaginable proportions," Pence said as he addressed nearly 300 people at Las Vegas City Hall. "Those we lost were taken before their time, but their names and their stories will forever be etched into the hearts of the American people."
Investigators have remained stumped about what drove gunman Stephen Paddock, a reclusive 64-year-old high-stakes video poker player, to begin shooting at the crowd at a country music festival from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay hotel suite last Sunday, killing 58 and wounding hundreds before taking his own life.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/welcome-vegas-billboards-ask-tips-gunmans-motive-055616979.html/
I still think they did more than just promote adds against Hillary...they fixed the vote...it would only have to happen in a few key states that are normally democratic...and it's a done deal Trump the chump wins!
lol - i hear ya cause this was 'Real Presidential' acting. Another new low just when you thought things couldn't get any lower.
WHO & WHERE THEY DO ******* LIKE THAT AT? ONLY IN TRUMP-WHAT-THE-FUCK-TACULAR-NATION
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