TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED

How long will it be before Trump gets impeached:

  • Before Finishing 1st year?

    Votes: 54 25.6%
  • After 1st year?

    Votes: 26 12.3%
  • After 2nd year in office?

    Votes: 25 11.8%
  • After 3rd year and before he completes his full term?

    Votes: 50 23.7%
  • I hate America, I don't believe in Justice and that Trump is guilty or should be Impeached.

    Votes: 56 26.5%

  • Total voters
    211
The trade deal that Bill Clinton concluded with China while President

Damn you just can't move past the Clintons!...

you always try to demonize the left with opinions and immortalize the right with false facts and yet claim to be an independent?????????

Let's talk Reagan want to?...there are facts on how he fucked the country...rather than just right wing opinions on how Clinton did!
there are facts on how corrupt his white house was and how many actually served time..... similar to where Trumps team is headed

you right wingers don't want to talk your party's failures...instead you want to talk twisted facts and opinions on the left....when all the facts and records show different....but the republicans are not interested in facts

and again you are going to insist you are not a republican ....yet go out of your way to defend them and bash the left!


you just can't help yourself Torp.....to much Fox news!

and just like last time when you got mad and left....I'm just showing you the facts... the same one's you ignore!
 
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Noose Tightening Around Trump Family in Russia Probe, Top Democrat Warns
Newsweek Melina Delkic,Newsweek

Even though President Donald Trump has calmed his firestorm of tweets about the investigation into alleged ties between Russia and his campaign—he hasn’t called it a “witch hunt” in weeks—top Democrats say that the noose is tightening around the Trump family, and that it is now crucial to protect Special Counsel Robert Mueller so he can complete the investigation.

"As the noose starts to close around the White House and around the Trump family, a very different set of behaviors could emerge,” Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) told Politicoon Tuesday. "It’s under those kinds of pressures that the special counsel needs to be able to continue its work.”

He was talking about two bipartisan bills introduced last week that could block Trump from firing Mueller. One bill would requires a review of any terimation by three federal judges, and the other would require top officials at the Department of Justice to go before a panel of judges to explain any decision to fire Mueller.

Whitehouse also said that the current lack of complaints from the White House about the probe was not a guarantee of cooperation, and that it's not time to stop seeking protective measures for Mueller. “I think it would be a mistake to base that decision on present circumstances," he said.

Whitehouse said the two bills likely would be merged.

“It doesn’t make sense to have competing ones so we’ll have to either agree to support one or the other or work on a compromise version,” he toldPolitico.

The latest contribution to the Russia probe comes from the IRS, which this week has begun sharing information with Mueller, CNN reported. Though the FBI and the IRS were at odds early in the investigation, the latter is now sharing a decade worth of financial information about a former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and about a former national security advisor, Michael Flynn.

On Monday, Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said Manafort and Flynn were “almost sure” to be hit with criminal charges. “I’m about 99 percent sure there will be some criminal charges from this investigation,” he told Politico.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/noose-tightening-around-trump-family-132009624.html
 
you right wingers don't want to talk your party's failures...
... and they're getting ready to FAIL again. Today they started pushing their UNBUDJETED tax cuts program, which they STILL haven't given any details as to what specifically it includes OR how they are going to pay for it past their usual "cut taxes and jobs grow out of the ground, pussy becomes FREE, and you'll have to empty your wallet every morning of all the money you make" TRICKLE DOWN bs. Its how the first $10 trillion of national debt was established ... unbudgeted tax cuts.
Now HERE'S what I heard in the whisperings of Washington ... doing away with the mortgage interest deduction. So, as I have always said, when the Republicans give TAX CUTS, they always find ways to get the taxes back from the middleclass and poor.
By the way, its not TAX REFORM ... its Massive Tax Cuts benefiting those with Massive Incomes.
 
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Something more than a blowjob. OK. The trade deal that Bill Clinton concluded with China while President. He claimed it would cut our deficit with Chine and bring jobs to America. In fact our trade deficit with China tripled over the next 8 or 9 years and we lost around 6 million jobs, coincidentally about the same number China gained. And around 30 million dollars in contributions from Chinese business fueled his second term election. He quashed investigation of those donations. Hell we can go back before Clinton was in the White House. There was Whitewater there are still efforts to get information about the investigation through FOIA. Then while Hillary was SOT we spent a pile of taxpayers dollars rebuilding Haiti. Coincidentally am sure, but ever contractor involved in the Haitian recovery had made 6 figure donations to the Clinton non profit. The Haitian government was not impressed with our "help"

Obama's two biggest scam job's on the American people were Obamacare. It was designed only to outlast his presidency. There are a couple of "poison pills that were added under executive order that guarantee Obama'a successor substantial problems. Given his rather vindictive nature it wasn't really surprising. He didn't like Hillary and if a a Republican got elected he was guaranteed ammunition And Dodd-Frank which effectively stopped the the charter of new banks (there has been none in Wisconsin since it passed) It effectively guaranteed the "too big to fail" will have the government on the hook for bailout far into the future. And he royally fucked the Democratic party. When he entered the White House the Democrats were the dominant political ******* in most states and in both houses of Congress. By the time he left the Democratic party was reduced to near irrelevance. And you still love him and think he did you such a great service

I see Trump as far from perfect, but at least he is doing what he believes is best for the country. It would be nice if he stopped tweeting but the media is so opposed to him I am sure that he feels it is him only way to reach the people. A lot of things take more than 120(I don't tweet so I am not sure if 120 is correct) characters

Obama and the Clinton's has little or no wealth when they entered the political arena. Now they are worth millions it makes me wonder what their priorities were/are. The presidential pension was started because of Harry Truman. He entered the White with very little and never made an effort to sell influence or to enrich himself with political connections. Both Clinton and Obama receive presidential pensions. I am reasonably certain neither of the Bush's do.

So Mac if you want to get pissed off go ahead and do it. I would strongly suggest that you take the time to really understand what has happened with the Democratic party since the Reagan years. Neither side is blameless but there is a good deal more going on than the two major parties care to admit to it's respective followers.

And as to North Korea, you seem to be concerned about Nuclear war. If you truly were concerned you would stand up and support the president. The little fat prick in North Korea knows there is dissent and disagreement in this country. That only serves to encourage him. If we stand up and in a single voice support the president it would greatly reduce the chance of the nuclear genie being let out of the bottle. But that won't happen because partisan politics are a way of life in this country. Further evidence that both the Democrats and the Republicans have outlived their usefulness
Damn you just can't move past the Clintons!...

you always try to demonize the left with opinions and immortalize the right with false facts and yet claim to be an independent?????????

Let's talk Reagan want to?...there are facts on how he fucked the country...rather than just right wing opinions on how Clinton did!
there are facts on how corrupt his white house was and how many actually served time..... similar to where Trumps team is headed

you right wingers don't want to talk your party's failures...instead you want to talk twisted facts and opinions on the left....when all the facts and records show different....but the republicans are not interested in facts

and again you are going to insist you are not a republican ....yet go out of your way to defend them and bash the left!


you just can't help yourself Torp.....to much Fox news!

and just like last time when you got mad and left....I'm just showing you the facts... the same one's you ignore!
@Torpedo, and everyone else slinging political mud back and forth evading the common issues we face today.

If we have something significant to contribute on why or why not Trump should be impeached then please present them.

Don't get me wrong my man, if Hillary was elected with the same issues as with Chump here I'd be posting everyday about the criminality of the ******* she did and how she needs to be investigated and impeached too. I wouldn't let Obama's ass slide or his staff if it comes out that they leaked any classified info as well about Trump with the unmasking and what not. I got no love for Shillary or her hubby really at all either.

But please let go of all the talk of the Clintons or of Obama and save it for the politics thread. The past is the past - they got nothing to do with the 'Clear and Present Danger' we have right now with an idiot and chief along with his cabal who is offering 'aid and comfort' to our crony commie enemies.

This thread is to make the masses aware of the problems and challenges we face today and not to go back down memory lane of how someone else did something so long ago.

Now back to the main thread topic:

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Dedicated to @MacNfries, @subhub174014, @Torpedo, and all the other people watching on the sidelines. This was a good segment I saw on one of my favorite non-partisan investigative reporting programs 60 minutes. If you haven't seen this you need to watch it and listen to the opposing view-points instead of just talking in our echo chambers. I got a guy to the right and left of me who are big Trump supporters so I'm surrounded and we both listen to each other and it does keep us fair and balanced sometimes.

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Eight months into the presidency of Donald Trump, we wanted to know if the divide was still as deep and bitter as before, so we traveled to a state that played a pivotal role in the election: Michigan. There, we gathered a diverse group of voters and asked them to lay everything out on the table. The group included a farmer, a ******* counselor, a speech therapist, a former GM factory worker and a sales manager. And they all had a lot to say about the state of our union in the early days of the Trump administration.

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Watch the video here:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/post-election-is-the-u-s-still-a-nation-divided-oprah-winfrey-reports/

Check this video out to about people getting too personal with the attacks on social media and all suspension of civility. We have no more self-censoring and say things online we wouldn't normally say in person. I'm not innocent myself but I do try to show restraint as much as possible.


Also for what its worth, Dr. Phil who spent alot of time with Donald Chump very closely gives his thoughts on him. I thought it was funny.

 
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Trump's disapproval rating is 57%, with only 36% of voters approving of the job he's doing amid his administration's response to the devastation in Puerto Rico and his party's failure to pass legislation repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.

Trump's support among Republicans remains still high, however: 84% of Republicans say he is fit to serve in the Oval Office, compared to just 5% of Democrats and 40% of independents.

Here are some of the poll's highlights:

  • 69% of voters want Trump to give up his Twitter account, which he has used in recent days to castigate professional athletes from the NBA and NFL, as well as his political opponents.
  • 62% of voters disapprove of the way Trump is handling race relations, with 55% of white voters and 95% of black voters disapproving.
  • 51% of voters say they are embarrassed to have Trump as president.
  • 67% say he isn't level-headed.
"There is no upside. With an approval rating frozen in the mid-thirties, his character and judgment questioned, President Donald Trump must confront the harsh fact that the majority of American voters feel he is simply unfit to serve in the highest office in the land," said Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.


The bad news filters down to Trump's party as well. Overall, 78% of voters disapprove of the job Congressional Republicans are doing, up from 70% when the question was last polled in June. And just 32% of Republican voters approve of the job their elected representatives in Congress are doing.

However, only 47% of voters say they want Democrats to win control of the House in the 2018 midterms.

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ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-trump-approval-rating-unfit-quinnipiac-tweet-twitter-2017-9

*NOTE* The Quinnipiac poll has been cited by major news outlets throughout North America and Europe, including The Washington Post,[5] Fox News,[6] USA Today,[7] The New York Times,[8] CNN,[9] and Reuters.[10] Quinnipiac University Poll receives national recognition for its independent surveys of residents throughout the United States. It conducts public opinion polls on politics and public policy as a public service as well as for academic research.[1][3] Andrew S. Tanenbaum, the founder of the poll-analysis website Electoral-vote.com, compared major pollsters' performances in the 2010 midterm Senate elections and concluded that Quinnipiac was the most accurate, with a mean error of 2.0 percent.
 
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Trump's disapproval rating is 57%, with only 36% of voters approving of the job he's doing amid his administration's response to the devastation in Puerto Rico and his party's failure to pass legislation repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.

Trump's support among Republicans remains still high, however: 84% of Republicans say he is fit to serve in the Oval Office, compared to just 5% of Democrats and 40% of independents.

Here are some of the poll's highlights:

  • 69% of voters want Trump to give up his Twitter account, which he has used in recent days to castigate professional athletes from the NBA and NFL, as well as his political opponents.
  • 62% of voters disapprove of the way Trump is handling race relations, with 55% of white voters and 95% of black voters disapproving.
  • 51% of voters say they are embarrassed to have Trump as president.
  • 67% say he isn't level-headed.
"There is no upside. With an approval rating frozen in the mid-thirties, his character and judgment questioned, President Donald Trump must confront the harsh fact that the majority of American voters feel he is simply unfit to serve in the highest office in the land," said Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.


The bad news filters down to Trump's party as well. Overall, 78% of voters disapprove of the job Congressional Republicans are doing, up from 70% when the question was last polled in June. And just 32% of Republican voters approve of the job their elected representatives in Congress are doing.

However, only 47% of voters say they want Democrats to win control of the House in the 2018 midterms.


ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-trump-approval-rating-unfit-quinnipiac-tweet-twitter-2017-9

*NOTE* The Quinnipiac poll has been cited by major news outlets throughout North America and Europe, including The Washington Post,[5] Fox News,[6] USA Today,[7] The New York Times,[8] CNN,[9] and Reuters.[10] Quinnipiac University Poll receives national recognition for its independent surveys of residents throughout the United States. It conducts public opinion polls on politics and public policy as a public service as well as for academic research.[1][3] Andrew S. Tanenbaum, the founder of the poll-analysis website Electoral-vote.com, compared major pollsters' performances in the 2010 midterm Senate elections and concluded that Quinnipiac was the most accurate, with a mean error of 2.0 percent.
If you read what I post you should realize I have no particular love for either party. On more than one occasion I have stated that both major parties have outlived their usefulness and in 2018 the best thing that could happen for this country is that neither the Democrats or the Republicans control either house of Congress. As to posting all this another thread this whole section is about topics that don't relate to IR sex. It does puzzle me though why so many have to post their posts in such large print. Is there a belief that large print makes the argument more effective?
 
you right wingers don't want to talk your party's failures...instead you want to talk twisted facts and opinions on the left....when all the facts and records show different....but the republicans are not interested in facts
There you go again assuming that because I don't agree with you I am a Republican. Last election I votrd Lertarian because they were the only ones that had a realistic economic plan. The Democrats and Republicans did a fine job of keeping them out of the debates
 
you right wingers don't want to talk your party's failures...instead you want to talk twisted facts and opinions on the left....when all the facts and records show different....but the republicans are not interested in facts
And you think Obama did such a great job? Every thing in the article below is easily verifiable. Pay special attention to the last two paragraphs

How Obama knee capped his own health reform

by Kimberly Leonard | Sep 25, 2017, 12:02 AM

Democrats are fond of blaming Republicans for undermining Obamacare, especially as conservatives attempt to overhaul the law. But experts and insurers point out that while Republicans aren't blameless when it comes to the strength or fragility of the law, many of Obamacare's wounds were inflicted by the Obama administration itself.

The law struggled for years when Obama was in office, even though his administration created it. Many of the problems were the result of short-term fixes by the Obama administration through the use of executive decisions, waivers, and deadline extensions. These inflicted losses for insurers in the exchanges. Those decisions by Obama slashed choices for customers and hiked prices, especially for those who were not receiving federal subsidies.

The Obamacare law gives the secretary of Health and Human Services latitude to decide questions about open enrollment, customer outreach, and special enrollment periods. Leaving such issues up to a government healthcare agency meant experts could weigh in and provided flexibility and adjustment during the early years. This was arguably necessary, to a degree, experts say, given that the law overhauled the healthcare system and caused disruption for millions of people.

But some of the decisions that were made also injected instability into the insurance marketplace. Republicans and regulatory experts sometimes sued to prevent Obama's adminstratives, which they said overstepped the limits of presidential authority. This was particularly so when the president authorized federal payments to insurers, "cost-sharing reduction subsidies," without Congress making the necessary appropriation.

The way the law was written, and the executive actions heaped on top of that fragile structure, have made it easier to dismantle now that Obama is gone. The details of the law can change easily and significantly based on which political party is running the administration. Now many of the problems have been raised under President Trump, who does not want Obamacare to succeed but, rather, wants it to "implode" or be replaced.

"The current morass is in no small part due to the failure of Congress to protect its legislative authority over years of executive overreach," said Jonathan Turley, a law professor at the George Washington University School of Law. "Both parties have contributed to the rise of an uber presidency that can effectively negate or amend federal laws through executive orders. I have been a long critic of this trend and encouraged Congress to re-assert its inherent authority over both legislation and the purse. Presidents now wrongly treat bills passed by Congress as the start of the legislative process, subject to their unilateral corrections."

Insurers' struggles under Obama

Since Obamacare was made law, the White House and Congress have repeatedly changed the rules governing for insurers. Those moves have, for example, changed what types of plans insurers may sell, and withheld monies that insurers expected to receive under the law the way it was written, making it difficult for companies to profit and for customers to have access to the competitive market they were promised.

"Insurers can compete effectively in any game as long as they know the rules of the game from the start and as long as the rules don't change midway," said Greg Fann, a fellow of the Society of Actuaries.

But the rules did change. An early sign of trouble came during the first open enrollment period in 2013, when people began receiving cancellation notices about policies that did not meet Obamacare's requirements. They spoke out against Obama for breaking his oft-repeated promise that people would be able to keep their healthcare plans if they wanted to.

After that promise was proved false, the administration took action on Nov. 14, 2013, when the president announced that some people who purchased plans between 2010 and 2013 could keep the plans they already had. These, known as the "grandmothered" option (grandfathered plans were purchased before 2010), didn't have some of the protections Obamacare offered, such as the guarantee of coverage for preexisting illnesses or coverage for a range of services that included maternity care and mental health. White House officials commonly referred to them as "junk" insurance.

But to many healthier consumers, lower prices coupled with some coverage for preventive care offered an appropriate tradeoff, so they kept them.

Insurers were furious with the decision. They had been selling Obamacare plans for six weeks and had months to go. They had to contend with the chaos that ensued after the launch of the healthcare.gov website, which is where customers were supposed to buy insurance, which didn't work after it went live.

And then, there were also deadline changes.

"After open enrollment had already begun, and after plans already began enrolling people, suddenly insurers had to go back and throw whole calculations out the window in terms of whom they thought would be enrolling," said a health insurance industry insider who asked to remain anonymous to speak candidly. "That screwed up projections."

Healthier people stayed on their grandmothered plans because they didn't have a strong incentive to pay more for a plan they didn't believe they'd need. As a result, insurers had too few healthy customers in relation to sicker customers, creating what is known as an unbalanced risk pool. Disproportionately sicker and more expensive customers enrolled through the exchanges.

In later years, the Obama administration continued to allow states to keep older plans, and the Trump administration allowed this again for next year. Some 1.5 million customers in 32 states who might otherwise buy Obamacare insurance are expected to keep their grandmothered plans in 2018.

"I think there was a misestimation of how price-sensitive people are when they are shopping for coverage," said Dania Palanker, assistant research professor at Georgetown University's Center on Health Insurance Reforms. "I think from a point of view of risk pools in the exchanges, that was problematic policy."

Customers in the exchange were more expensive to cover than insurers expected. One study by Blue Cross Blue Shield Association found that in 2015, Obamacare customers cost an average of $559 a month compared to $457 a month for customers who get coverage through work, because people who purchase exchange plans see doctors and go to the hospital more often, and have more prescriptions.

The action on plans by Obama, intended to temper political backlash and give consumers more flexibility in the short term, sacrificed long-term stability and created uncertainty for insurers. It wasn't his only alteration to the law.

Obamacare called for many other decisions to be made as it was rolled out, but certain actions stood in the way of higher enrollment numbers, legal experts say. The first year, Obama delayed the employer mandate and provided waivers for people to side step the individual mandate that requires people to buy insurance or pay a fine. Then, Obama authorized cost-sharing subsidies to insurers without an appropriation from Congress. Insurers didn't know whether to continue assuming the payments would be made after a U.S. district judge last year ruled them unconstitutional. The Obama administration appealed the case, and it remains in limbo. Insurers continue to face uncertainty as the funds are being authorized under Trump, who has said he would consider cutting them off.

Josh Blackman, whose book Unraveled: Obamacare, Religious Liberty, and Executive Power, details administrative actions under Obamacare, said he believes the exemptions to the individual mandate had a significant impact on the troubles the law faced.

"The failure to rigorously enforce the mandate has to be the biggest sabotage to the Affordable Care Act," Blackman said.

Invoking Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's partial shutdown of the government in 2013 in an effort to defund Obamacare, Blackman added: "Obama did worse than Ted Cruz ever did."

Administrative decisions played a role in shortfalls to the law's expectations. Early Congressional Budget Office estimates of Obamacare forecast that 24 million people would be enrolled in the exchanges by 2016. But by the end of open enrollment, 11.1 million had signed up for the plans. About half of the shortfall can be attributed to employers not dropping people from their coverage and sending them to the exchanges, as had been anticipated, but the rest is attributed to people seeking alternatives or forgoing coverage.

For years, the most coveted customers have eschewed Obamacare plans: the healthy, young people who are too old to get coverage under a parent's plan. Analysts estimated that insurers lost about $5 billion through Obamacare in 2015, including big players such as Aetna, Humana, and UnitedHealth Group.

As Obama prepared to leave office and before the 2016 presidential election, insurers were pulling out in droves and premiums on mid-level plans were expected to rise by 22 percent nationwide.

Customers also expressed dissatisfactions with the plans they had. In some cases, insurers are able to keep premiums at bay by narrowing their provider networks, but that means patients have fewer options for providers and face higher deductibles. The move, which may help an insurer's bottom line while still adhering to Obamacare's mandates, can be a struggle for patients as well as for doctors, who face lower reimbursement rates.

"Anytime someone's provider choice is not in their network it's a frustration, and a valid frustration, and will affect how they feel about the program," Palanker said. "The level of how detrimental it is to consumers comes down to a number of issues, including whether the network, while limited, is adequate."

All of these outcomes provided fodder for Trump to run on the promise of ending what he often called the "disastrous" and "failing" Obamacare.

The exchange market is projected to be even more diminished in 2018. Roughly 2.6 million Obamacare exchange customers live in counties where only one insurer is expected to sell coverage, though more insurers still could drop out.

And they continue to incur losses. Humana expects to lose $45 million and Aetna expects to lose $200 million this year. Molina has lost $230 million during the second quarter, some of which it attributed to the high costs of claims in the exchanges. Centene is one of few insurers that said it has profited under Obamacare, which it credits to having a model that is similar to its partnerships with Medicaid. It covers a small share of the market, roughly 1.2 million customers, but is planning to expand next year.

Obamacare's exchanges meet Trump and GOP

A number of factors led to those results.

From a business perspective, insurers had to overcome a large number of obstacles. Many counties where insurers struggled were in rural areas with few providers and few potential customers. Enrollees also were more expensive to cover than insurers expected, and they didn't know enough about their medical needs to price their premiums accurately. Before Obamacare, they could turn away customers with preexisting illnesses.

But policy and political decisions played a significant role. For instance, some health policy analysts have accused insurers of setting prices that were too low at the start, noting that a Congressional Budget Office report said they expected plans to cost more.

Robert Hinckley, chief strategy officer at Capital District Physicians' Health Plan, a nonprofit health plan that offers coverage in New York, counters that insurers priced as they did because of the pressure they faced from the federal government.

"I think the organizations that ran them came in with low prices because they were politically being told they had to, and what that did was drive down competition toward that price," he said. "In the first year or two, you had all these plans coming in way under price."

But Republicans aren't without blame. They also compounded the difficulties the law faced by injecting more uncertainty into the already fragile exchanges.

They brought the healthcare law's requirement for states to expand Medicaid to the Supreme Court, which ruled that the provision was optional. As a result, 19 states haven't expanded the program.

More people would have medical coverage now if more states had expanded Medicaid. Low-income people in non-expansion states, often with costlier medical needs, went to the exchange market, further destabilizing the risk pool. Those customers make up about 40 percent of the Obamacare enrollment population in the non-expansion states, compared with 6 percent in expansion states.

As part of a spending bill, Republicans also cut off risk-corridor payments, which were to meant to reiumburse insurers for their losses during the early years of Obamacare. The move was led by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who called the payments "a taxpayer-funded bailout for insurance companies."

Fewer insurers would have lost funding they expected to receive from the federal government if Republicans hadn't cut off these payments, which largely caused nonprofit insurance cooperatives created under the law to go out of business.

"Defunding the risk corridors was important step that started to make insurers nervous about the stability of the market going forward," Hinckley said. "It was a promise in the bill."

Fann said those kinds of changes from Congress made it difficult for insurers to price plans. "Insurers can adapt to market rules, but it's important that they understand market rules and they aren't changed at the time of premium rate development," he said.

After Trump took office, Republicans, in not presenting a clear strategy for a replacement plan and in seeking to undermine the law, compounded the troubles by adding even more uncertainty to the market as they worked to repeal portions of Obamacare or overhaul the law.

"What's frustrating is that for years Republicans claimed they had a better alternative and convinced people that if they were elected they would come up with 'something terrific,' as Trump said. They demonstrated in the past six months that that was false," said Nicholas Bagley, a law professor at the University of Michigan Law School who supports Obamacare.

Trump could make it worse

While Trump is not the only factor causing rising premiums and insurer exits in Obamacare, the administrative authority the law allows him leverage to make a bad situation worse.

Democrats believe Trump is already undermining the exchanges, and have been blasting Trump's actions, or inactions, on Obamacare for months. They have called out his refusal to commit to authorizing cost-sharing reduction subsidies, for shortening the open enrollment period, for slashing outreach funds, and for handing decisions about regulations to Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, a longtime opponent of the law.

If the goal is to damage Obamacare, the fruit of the Trump administration's efforts are bearing out. Insurers have cited the uncertainty as one reason for leaving the health insurance exchanges and for plans to raise premiums by double digits or higher if they don't receive insurer payments. Next year, 2 million more people are projected to be uninsured because the cost of having insurance will rise for them, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates.

Turley, who was lead counsel for the House until its trial win over the cost-sharing reduction subsidies, warned lawmakers of Obamacare's reliance on the executive branch before the bill passed.

"I said that, despite my support for national healthcare, it was the worst legislative product that I had seen in my time in Washington to reach that stage of enactment," Turley said. "It was an unrefined, incomplete work that was muscled through Congress by the Obama administration on a marginal vote. We have been paying the costs for the decision since enactment with hundreds of changes and continued controversy over the underlying systems."

Now the authority that Obama had over the healthcare law has fallen to Trump. In some instances, such as those involving cost-sharing reduction payments, Trump has upheld actions by Obama that have been legally contested.

"The very tools that Obama used Donald Trump now has," said Blackman, who is also a constitutional law expert and associate professor of law at the South Texas College of Law. "He has the keys."

The reality of such leeway on regulations has not gone unnoticed by the new administration.

"There are 1,442 citations in #ACA where it says 'The Secretary shall...' or 'The Secretary may...' @HHSGov, we'll look at every single one," Price tweeted in March.

Trump can easily challenge the law through administrative action because Obamacare punts a bulk of its decision-making to the executive branch. He can also allow it to atrophy. Making Obamacare work well is demanding, Bagley said. It requires people within the Department of Health and Human Services to run a website, do outreach, check for premium eligibility, and many other tasks.

"If President Trump decides he doesn't want the ACA to work, he can change some of the rules that help it to function," he said. "He can also choose to administer it badly on a day-to-day basis."

Outside groups can bring pressure on the administration to implement Obamacare, including filing suit as Republicans and libertarians did against Obama. They also can raise concerns with members of Congress, who can hold hearings or enlist the Government Accountability Office to examine health agencies' practices.

"What's unusual about this is not the structure of the law or its various delegations," Bagley said. "What's surprising is the intensity of the political debate surrounding the implementation of an existing law. It's rare, almost unprecedented, to see the executive branch so avidly undermine the law of the land."

But Obamacare was passed with no Republican support, and the wounds of doing so, and of years of what Republicans consider to be executive overreach from Obama, are still playing out at various levels of government.

"It's difficult for supporters of the ACA to be told that we should have waited to take this step until GOP saw the light," Bagley said. "But it's true that the continual battles over health reform are partly a function of the fact that the ACA passed without any Republican votes."
 
By the way, its not TAX REFORM ... its Massive Tax Cuts benefiting those with Massive Incomes.
There is an angle that seems to escape the left. The very wealthy and large businesses have the option of going where the tax rates are better. I often wonder how much tax revenue is lost because business head quarter in a country with better tax rates. Even for individuals with substantial liquid assets there are a number of countries that will greet those people with open arms.

You seem to imply that the Democrats are there for the little guy. And I have heard long and loud what a great deal Obamacare is. I found this article interesting and everything stated can be verified if you care to do so.
ObamaCares Tax on the Poor
  • 09/27/2017
  • The Wall Street Journal

  • Democrats claim to have a monopoly on caring for the poor and suffering, and this week the left is portraying a GOP health-care bill as an attack on society’s vulnerable. So check out the data on how ObamaCare is a tax on some low-income families.

    IRS data offers insight into who paid the law’s individual mandate penalty in 2015 for not buying health insurance, the latest year for which figures are available. Spoiler alert: The payers aren’t Warren Buffett or any of the other wealthy folks Democrats say they want to tax. More than one in three of taxed households earned less than $25,000, which is roughly the federal poverty line for a family of four.

    More than 75% of penalized households made less than $50,000 and nine in 10 earned less than $75,000. Fewer families paid the tax in 2015 than in 2014, yet government revenues increased to more than $3 billion from about $1.7 billion, as the financial punishment for lacking coverage increased.

    These Americans are paying a fine to avoid purchasing a product they don’t want or can’t afford but government compels them to buy. Such individuals don’t suddenly have access to less expensive or higher quality medical care, but they do have less money for household expenses, which can consume a high share of income for this class of families.

    The unfortunate irony is that ObamaCare destroyed the private market that offered options that in some cases made sense for these people. For example: High-deductible, limited coverage for unexpected events.

 
well if I respond to your comment and then you have to respond to mine...it doesn't end...so I will just give you the last word
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If Torpedo will move his last comment over to the appropriate section, I'll be MORE than glad to respond and continue the conversation on health care.
 
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So the lunatic left posts propaganda, nothing factual, fake news, the Clintons and Obama have deplorable records of lies, hypocrisy, corruption, lawlessness. But you will continue to spew the propaganda, not interested in the truth or facts, just hate and division. Fact:Obama was slapped down 12 times by the the Supreme Court for unconstitutional overeach of the executive branch, Fact Obama blatantly lied and deceived America about Obamacare, Fact Hillary Clinton passed classified governement information on an unsecure private server in her home, which is punishable by federal law, deleted her emails, smashed her blackberries, gets caught in lie after lie, but gets a free pass. Yea the corruption runs deep, theres no solving the issues here, both sides claim they know the truth and the facts, nothing accomplished. Fact: the democrat progressive caucus in congress are socialists, connected and supported by the Democratic socialists of America, and the communist party of America, no doubt funded and fed talking points by George Soros. So keep spewing your leftist socialist propaganda, keep spewing that everyones a racist that disagrees with you, keep supporting your antifa buddies as they suppress free speech and assault people, and destroy property all in the name of anti- fascism. What a joke. Keep crying for impeachment, it aint happening.
 
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