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Any credence to the theory that this is just another climate cycle that man has no control over - been going on for millennia.
No informed person thinks this. It is the stock reply of someone who CBA doing any research. I posted a link earlier to the NASA website - why not read it?
 
The climate is always changing, nothing we can do about it. The real problem is it's acceleration, we probably can and should control that.
Unless we get the entire world on board to eliminate CO2 emissions, our efforts are pointless. Another thing to consider is the fact that NONE of the climate change predictions have come to reality. According to scientist when I was in high school, most of east coast, Florida, and California should be under water by now, the North pole would be a tropical paradise, and I would be able to wear a T-shirt in December. So that leads me to think these scientist either don't know what they are talking about - or it's leftist fear mongering at its best. I believe it's the later. There have been more and more scientist come out and admit they were, and still are, being pushed to exaggerate the problem.

Human pollution isn't helping anything, action and reaction tells me that our polluting the earth will have consequences. We should keep it clean regardless how you feel about climate change. We either embrace climate change and evolve and adapt, like nature has done for millions of years, or we get the entire world to put the breaks on and slow it to a more "natural" pace. Natural gas and coal still produces the majority of our electric power, so at this point Electric cars aren't the answer.

I think most are missing the bigger picture about Claimant change. The climate changing True/False debate isn't my main concern, the fact that the debate is being weaponized and misused by the media and our representatives to push an agenda troubles me even more. When we have a senator telling the public that the world will end in 12 years unless we get rid of all cars is grossly irresponsible.
 
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The climate is always changing, nothing we can do about it. The real problem is it's acceleration, we probably can and should control that.
Unless we get the entire world on board to eliminate CO2 emissions, our efforts are pointless. Another thing to consider is the fact that NONE of the climate change predictions have come to reality. According to scientist when I was in high school, most of east coast, Florida, and California should be under water by now, the North pole would be a tropical paradise, and I would be able to wear a T-shirt in December. So that leads me to think these scientist either don't know what they are talking about - or it's leftist fear mongering at its best. I believe it's the later. There have been more and more scientist come out and admit they were, and still are, being pushed to exaggerate the problem.

Human pollution isn't helping anything, action and reaction tells me that our polluting the earth will have consequences. We should keep it clean regardless how you feel about climate change. We either embrace climate change and evolve and adapt, like nature has done for millions of years, or we get the entire world to put the breaks on and slow it to a more "natural" pace. Natural gas and coal still produces the majority of our electric power, so at this point Electric cars aren't the answer.

I think most are missing the bigger picture about Claimant change. The climate changing True/False debate isn't my main concern, the fact that the debate is being weaponized and misused by the media and our representatives to push an agenda troubles me even more. When we have a senator telling the public that the world will end in 12 years unless we get rid of all cars is grossly irresponsible.

This is all opinion and conjecture. What aspects of the evidence are you refuting? Where is your data? You can't use a random scientist that you once heard talk when you were in high school as a basis for an argument.

CO2 production has to be halted and then reduced. The correlation between CO2 and global temperature is strong. Look at the stakes here - what if you're wrong? This needs action.
Where is your can do spirit?
 
where are the ice caps in the North Pole going?
"Ice caps in the North Pole" is a bizarre wording, but presuming you were attempting to say the polar ice in the vicinity of the Earth's North pole.....Every cubic inch of ice for hundreds of miles around the North Pole could melt and it wouldn't raise the ocean level a single millimeter.
 
This is all opinion and conjecture. What aspects of the evidence are you refuting? Where is your data? You can't use a random scientist that you once heard talk when you were in high school as a basis for an argument.

CO2 production has to be halted and then reduced. The correlation between CO2 and global temperature is strong. Look at the stakes here - what if you're wrong? This needs action.
Where is your can do spirit?

Your problem is you only read information that supports your beliefs instead of ones that refute them. If you look at both, you will see the bigger picture


But here is a taste to get you started down the rabbit hole.

Here’s what the experts were saying almost a half century ago on Earth Day, 1970:
  1. “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
    Harvard biologist George Wald

  1. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,”
    Denis Hayes, Chief organizer for Earth Day

  1. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human
    habitation.”
    Washington University biologist Barry Commoner

  1. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100–200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years. … Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born. … [By 1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.
    Stanford University biologist Paul Ehrlich

  1. “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions …. By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.
    North Texas State University professor Peter Gunter

  1. “In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution… by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half.”
    Life magazine
  2. “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable. … By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate … that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, ‘Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, ‘I am very sorry, there isn’t any. … The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
    — Kenneth Watt


 
Where is your data? You can't use a random scientist that you once heard talk when you were in high school as a basis for an argument.
And why not? These conservatives have been doing that since Reagan's "trickle down" ... they use absolutely no facts, just conjectures and opinions which they express as their "facts". Its easier for them that way.

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Poor baby .... you have no one to talk to, do you? Try the chatroom .... bring up your bull ******* in there. I have no time for you tonight. Find someone that WANTS to go back & forth with.
By the way, hope your job hunting is going good for you. Hard to find a good job at your age, I imagine.
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As I've said before on here, this is a key problem with the "global warming" issue. There's lots of BS and lots of people making statements about it that don't have an F'ing clue about the science/math involved. Mac's a good example with his implication that the North pole melting is causing ocean rise. Mac also once claimed the ozone hole was contributing to global warming. I schooled him on that, giving him a direct link to NASA showing that actually less ozone leads to global cooling not warming. Mac can be uneducable though....he repeated the same BS claim about ozone loss causing global warming just months later.

This article you linked to is also BS. There are multiple math errors in the calculation. I haven't checked every detail, but just the obvious errors in the calculation for the weight of water displaced to create a 1 meter rise in the ocean is off (low) by a factor of 10,000,000. If everything else on the page is correct, that would mean the resulting increase in ocean level due to those ships isn't 60 cm, but rather 0.000006 cm....which is a hell of a lot more plausible when one thinks about the size of the ships relative to the size of the ocean.

The math in that article is so bad, I'm wondering if Mac wasn't the ghostwriter.
 
We aren't "producing" any more CO2 than what was already here. We are releasing it by burning fossil fuels. If you have an alternative to heating your home, I'd like to hear it.
Incorrect. We aren't producing any carbon - THAT wasn't already here. We are, however, producing CO2 when we burn fossil fuels and that's why the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing.
 
Incorrect. We aren't producing any carbon - THAT wasn't already here. We are, however, producing CO2 when we burn fossil fuels and that's why the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is increasing.
carbon monoxide is given off when fossil fuels burnt we exhale carbon dioxide
 
All irrelevant we are many many years away from being able to eliminate our use of fossil fuels - America just having reached energy independence - besides if China doesn’t cooperate - which it won’t - all the sacrifice necessary would be for not.
 
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