Do you prefer to be heartless or brainless? (Midterms)

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That's because our laws don't encourage them to share - duh, have you not been paying attention? -ACCOUNTABILITY. No accountability, of course they will put it in there pocket. But hay - lets keep doing the same fucking thing we have been doing for the past 50 years - for the next 50 years and see if anything gets better. I would much rather push corporations to give the money to their employees instead of taxing them. Why do you think the poor vote democrat? because they have been promised something and they are still waiting for it. If we don't try something different soon our grand ******* will be having this same discussion in 20 years. guaranteed.

you just are not capable using logic....so you use this not paying attention thing...again!

what do you want the gov to limit how much a corp makes?...or are you wanting the gov to monitor them and after a certain amount ******* them to hand some over....I'm pretty sure you being a biz man would not want that!

Kind of like "ike" in the 50's would be the answer....pay 90% in taxes or show that you have made improvements or hired more employees or given raises or etc!


there is no way you can push a corp to give money to the employees...that's telling them how to spend their money...and as much as I hate corps...they do have rights

well can't argue the democrat thing...a lot of broken promises...but the dems are not doing things to hurt the poor!

goes back to the taxes thing...only fair way of doing it....they either pay through the nose to the gov...or give to the employees or make improvements of some kind to the biz

 

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Hay brain dead - if you have been paying attention - I HIRED 3 PEOPLE. I had only 1 previously. so yes - I gave it to 3 additional employees - so suck a duck.

someone getting testy...…..that is not the first story you told.....you said they were getting to keep their job


but anyway we are a long ways from being on topic around here

 

[TwoBiFour]

you just are not capable using logic....so you use this not paying attention thing...again!

what do you want the gov to limit how much a corp makes?...or are you wanting the gov to monitor them and after a certain amount ******* them to hand some over....I'm pretty sure you being a biz man would not want that!

Kind of like "ike" in the 50's would be the answer....pay 90% in taxes or show that you have made improvements or hired more employees or given raises or etc!


there is no way you can push a corp to give money to the employees...that's telling them how to spend their money...and as much as I hate corps...they do have rights

well can't argue the democrat thing...a lot of broken promises...but the dems are not doing things to hurt the poor!

goes back to the taxes thing...only fair way of doing it....they either pay through the nose to the gov...or give to the employees or make improvements of some kind to the biz

Your last sentence is exactly right. That is called encouragement to give back to employees.

It's a bit more complicated than this, but in a nut shell - If you want your corporation to be like it is today and pocket as much as you can, then the share holders pay a high tax rate on left over profits that are not distributed and Share holders/CEO's pay dearly on thier personal incomes.

But if you want to structure your business in a way (for example) that the top CEO's can't make more than 4 times the bottom paid employee, profit sharing bonuses, Job growth, Lump sum or % to improve the neighborhood (parks, free clinics etc), better medical benefits, paid associates / Technical degrees, and a whole host of other benefits then taxes could be waived or at least greatly reduced. This puts the money into the community and into the control of the people that work, instead of in the hands of greedy politicians that won't divvy it up to places that need it, or deserve it. This exposes the governments spending's because if they don't handle what tax money they do get properly the blame will land square on their shoulders. The government should take care of the elderly and disabled, cure disease and help those with mental illnesses and national security. Leave the hard working man alone.

And of course this all has to come with accountability. I also think the tax code needs to be simplified and all these bonuses and credits need to go away.

Now - back to immigration

 

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If you want your corporation to be like it is today and pocket as much as you can, then the share holders pay a high tax rate on left over profits that are not distributed and Share holders/CEO's pay dearly on thier personal incomes.

that would be a start....that IS what happened to health care...hospitals used to be happy if they just broke even......now we have all these shareholders wanting a nice profit on their investment...and the patient is just a commodity!
and the Pharma comp.....how can they sell so cheap to cananda and mexico and others and yet we pay through the nose?
also they say the cost is high to cover the cost of research and etc to find the *******.....yet how much of that was done on a gov grant?

But if you want to structure your business in a way (for example) that the top CEO's can't make more than 4 times the bottom paid employee, profit sharing bonuses, Job growth, Lump sum or % to improve the neighborhood (parks, free clinics etc), better medical benefits, paid associates / Technical degrees, and a whole host of other benefits then taxes could be waived or at least greatly reduced. This puts the money into the community and into the control of the people that work, instead of in the hands of greedy politicians that won't divvy it up to places that need it, or deserve it.

I like that!

And of course this all has to come with accountability. I also think the tax code needs to be simplified and all these bonuses and credits need to go away.

that was just done...but someone had their thumb on the scales when trying to equal it out

 

[MacNfries]

Hum, someones getting cranky.

Its because of the over-exaggerations you often use (as conservatives usually do) to defend your position, TwoBi ... we can't have a normal conversation with you because you try to "blow everything up to extremes".
In your response to my comment to you (#92) you toss in 'welfare' as if I've implied it was .... 'so great' ... I never once said welfare was so great or even adequate. Its a "lifeline" for those out of work ... why would one work IF the jobs they find provide 'take-home pay' no better than welfare? We were discussing the growing division between the rich & the poor and the fact that more and more people are falling into the poor class. And I told you that your reasoning was BS, which it is. You ALSO refuse to admit that the Republican "Trickle Down" tax cuts always recoups a portion of that lost revenue by making cuts to the very things that help the poor, like food stamps, removing the subsidies from the ACA premiums, etc ... the Republicans go right to the cuts every time after giving tax cuts ... the lower 50% benefit very little if NOTHING after the cuts to services for the poorest income workers. In the meantime, the wealthiest find yet another tax scheme to hide any tax .... why does the government not start removing those exemptions and tax havens ... we know that its because the wealthiest influence the tax codes. Even the Koch Brothers admitted to that a couple years ago ... that the table of taxation favored the wealthiest.

 

[TwoBiFour]

Its because of the over-exaggerations you often use (as conservatives usually do) to defend your position, TwoBi ... we can't have a normal conversation with you because you try to "blow everything up to extremes".

Maybe you are just hyper sensitive.

In your response to my comment to you (#92) you toss in 'welfare' as if I've implied it was .... 'so great' ...

Again, a general statement - I never claimed you said it was "So great". Maybe you need to stop thinking everything is about you.

why would one work IF the jobs they find provide 'take-home pay' no better than welfare?

Then maybe welfare shouldn't be better than Take home pay, and part of the point, welfare shouldn't take place of a job. It should help you, not keep you dependent.

We were discussing the growing division between the rich & the poor and the fact that more and more people are falling into the poor class.

Again the data doesn't support it. There hasn't been a big swing in poverty, up or down, for the past 50 years. Yes people struggle, but these programs to "rise people up out of poverty" are not working - that's my point.

And I told you that your reasoning was BS, which it is.

You can "tell" me all you want, but as Sub so strongly states, it's just your opinion unless you have a link

You ALSO refuse to admit that the Republican "Trickle Down" tax cuts always recoups a portion of that lost revenue by making cuts to the very things that help the poor, like food stamps, removing the subsidies from the ACA premiums, etc ... the Republicans go right to the cuts every time after giving tax cuts ... the lower 50% benefit very little if NOTHING after the cuts to services for the poorest income workers.

Did I ever deny it?

we know that its because the wealthiest influence the tax codes. Even the Koch Brothers admitted to that a couple years ago ... that the table of taxation favored the wealthiest.

No *******? I never thunked it!

Think HARD about that last statement Mac, I wonder how long before the light bulb turns on and you realize the wealthiest isn't going to let your democrats tax them either.

Now you better get back to immigration before your buddy starts typing in big bold text that you are changing the subject and not sticking to the topic of the thread.

 

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Global inequality: How the U.S. compares | Pew Research Center
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As it happens, the U.S. has one of the most unequal income distributions in the developed world, according to data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development — even after taxes and social-welfare policies are taken into account.


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Income inequality is more severe in the U.S. than it is in nearly all of West Africa, North Africa, Europe, and Asia.

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Aug 15, 2013 · Hey, who says America is in decline? The U.S. is still more awesome than the rest of the world at making at least one thing. And that thing is income inequality.

America Is the Richest, and Most Unequal, Nation | Fortune
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The world is awash in personal wealth: $153.2 trillion in total, according to Allianz’s new Global Wealth Report 2015. That’s enough to pay three times the world’s sovereign debt, the debts ...

Compared to the Rest of the World Americans Are All the 1%
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Compared to global measures of GDP per capita for 2010, an individual at the poverty line in the United States has an income in between the average for Lithuania and Seychelles, ranked 49th and 50th.


Standard of living in the United States - Wikipedia
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Inequality in the US

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Income inequality refers to the extent to which income is distributed in an uneven manner among a population. In the United States, income inequality, or the gap between the rich and everyone else, has been growing markedly, by every major statistical measure, for some 30 years.


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20 Facts About U.S. Inequality that Everyone Should Know ...
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