Allowing teachers to ccw

[Deleted125623]

Ok well please explain what you meant. Because my post about having police or retired miltary in the schools or securing the schools better, that is looking past my differences and working together. Not sure what you meant by that comment.

What i wont agree on is another assault weapons ban like 1994....i think it would have minimal effect because if i am a potential shooter and i know i cannot get an assault weapon from a store then i look for another way to get it and if i cant i choose another weapon. It may drop the number of victims per year but i think the problem is still there and people still die. I just feel there are better avenues to prevent it from happening without also punishing the good law abiding citizens.

Heres what I said earlier about the vey same subject. Same idea.

https://www.blacktowhite.net/threads/allowing-teachers-to-ccw.80053/page-56#post-1737308.

You posted

I would love to see retired military or police officers in schools....a lot more than one and i would love to secure these schools better. We can do it with government buildings so why not schools but yes that requires money.

I added that people need to look past their differences. This is a must. because without( I believe you call it) bi-partisan support, any suggestion of using ex mil or police is doomed to fail. Thats a cold hard fact. the individual doesn't have the kind of support to bring it to fruition nor the political support.

I'll use hubbies words to say this next bit.

What is required is the willl and co-operation of all entities and individuals to put aside their differencies for the greater good. To reclaim and detere not only those spaces occupied by those most at risk by their compliance of law without the right to refuse such a compliance mandate. But also those who would use such a congregation to enact or use ******* to gain acknowledgement or retribution by committing an act of armed agression againgst the many who have no means of protection or safety.

 

[subhub174014]

NRA lawyer said to have had concerns about group’s ties to Russia
McClatchy Washington Bureau

Congressional investigators have learned that a longtime attorney for the National Rifle Association expressed concerns about the group’s ties to Russia and possible involvement in channeling Russian money into the 2016 elections to help Donald Trump, two sources familiar with the matter say. Cleta Mitchell, a former NRA board member who has done legal work for the organization, is on a newly disclosed list of people whom Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee are seeking to interview. Democratic investigators for that committee’s Senate counterpart also are interested in what she may know about relationships between the NRA or its allies and wealthy Russians, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. ...
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/afe8e38f-ed3d-3cfc-853b-ad741b0ccb0d/nra-lawyer-said-to-have-had.html

 

[TwoBiFour]

Humm, I wonder what ANTIFA will do when they learn the names and address of gun owners in Minnesota, and I'm sure the police won't abuse the "no warrant" search - By by 4th amendment.

And the left is worried about Trump taking our rights. lol, no - you guys are doing a fine job of that all on your own.

 

[subhub174014]

The Biggest Lies About the 2nd Amendment Going Around in 2018
Eric Schaal,The Cheat Sheet

Saying the words “what the Founding Fathers intended” involves a lot of assumptions. No matter how brilliant they were, the men who put together the United States of America could hardly imagine the Industrial Revolution, let alone what came the following century. In short, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights serve as great blueprints yet in many ways are dated documents. You see the problem in debates over the Second Amendment, which become noisy every time there’s a mass shooting in America. People arguing gun issues often don’t know where the amendment came from and what it meant to our founders. With the noise louder than ever following the death of 17 students and teachers in Parkland, ...
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/490f91bc-fde1-35e3-8ca1-3538ea60f1e2/the-biggest-lies-about-the.html

 

[Alanm]

The Biggest Lies About the 2nd Amendment Going Around in 2018
Eric Schaal,The Cheat Sheet

Saying the words “what the Founding Fathers intended” involves a lot of assumptions. No matter how brilliant they were, the men who put together the United States of America could hardly imagine the Industrial Revolution, let alone what came the following century. In short, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights serve as great blueprints yet in many ways are dated documents. You see the problem in debates over the Second Amendment, which become noisy every time there’s a mass shooting in America. People arguing gun issues often don’t know where the amendment came from and what it meant to our founders. With the noise louder than ever following the death of 17 students and teachers in Parkland, ...
Read more

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/490f91bc-fde1-35e3-8ca1-3538ea60f1e2/the-biggest-lies-about-the.html

Well obviously we can never know exactly what the founders meant in some of their terminology when they wrote the 2nd amendment but that doesnt mean we can just now interpret it anyway we want. It says what it says. Everyone has their own opinion on what they meant when they wrote it.

 

[subhub174014]

Everyone has their own opinion on what they meant when they wrote it.

just who has the smarter lawyer

 

[MacNfries]

Theoretically, you'd think as the nation matured, technologies improved, etc ... that the intelligence & common sense of its occupants would be greater as well, unfortunately, the Republican party has proven that theory totally bunk. We'd still be using horses to travel this country, still using the horse & plow to cultivate & grow crops, and still be using flintlocks if Republicans had their way. So, challenging them on the intent of the writers of our Constitution would be a bit much for them to even consider. Walking & chewing gum seems a bit challenging to many of them.

 

[TwoBiFour]

and still be using flintlocks if Republicans had their way.

So you are saying it was the left that created this mess, interesting.

 

[OddGyrl]

I think it should be an option that teachers can carry if they go and get their certifications but not a school policy and their first and foremost thought should be getting the students out of danger.

 

[MacNfries]

If teachers & staff are to be allowed to carry handguns, they should be for defensive purposes only ...i.e. when the perpetrator is trying to break into a class room, etc .... No one, in their right mind is going to go into a school with a handgun to confront a man carrying a rifle ... NO ONE, unless they just have a death wish. Teachers are there to teach not try to be heros ... and that's a good lesson to learn.
The rifle has all the advantages ...

• accuracy - bullet spin & shoulder fired. A ******* shooter needs to be within 100 meters. Probably hit as many ******* by missing the target.
• power - the bullets much faster and more destructive
• clip rounds - 30-50 round clips instead of 10-15 rounds in a semi-*******
• quicker fire

What's going on with these student gun marches are way, way overdue. Notice NO ONE is in Washington, DC ... bunch of pussies.

 

[Alanm]

If teachers & staff are to be allowed to carry handguns, they should be for defensive purposes only ...i.e. when the perpetrator is trying to break into a class room, etc .... No one, in their right mind is going to go into a school with a handgun to confront a man carrying a rifle ... NO ONE, unless they just have a death wish. Teachers are there to teach not try to be heros ... and that's a good lesson to learn.
The rifle has all the advantages ...

• accuracy - bullet spin & shoulder fired. A ******* shooter needs to be within 100 meters. Probably hit as many ******* by missing the target.
• power - the bullets much faster and more destructive
• clip rounds - 30-50 round clips instead of 10-15 rounds in a semi-*******
• quicker fire

What's going on with these student gun marches are way, way overdue. Notice NO ONE is in Washington, DC ... bunch of pussies.

Are you saying even cops should not go into a school with handguns against someone with a rifle? Such as Scott Peterson?

If a handgun is all you have then it comes down to tactics and surprise.

Distance isnt the issue....i highly doubt the shooter was shooting 100 meters in any of these school shooting ....thats over 100 yards. I would bet much closer range.....like ******* range.

 

[Alanm]

If teachers & staff are to be allowed to carry handguns, they should be for defensive purposes only ...i.e. when the perpetrator is trying to break into a class room, etc .... No one, in their right mind is going to go into a school with a handgun to confront a man carrying a rifle ... NO ONE, unless they just have a death wish. Teachers are there to teach not try to be heros ... and that's a good lesson to learn.
The rifle has all the advantages ...

• accuracy - bullet spin & shoulder fired. A ******* shooter needs to be within 100 meters. Probably hit as many ******* by missing the target.
• power - the bullets much faster and more destructive
• clip rounds - 30-50 round clips instead of 10-15 rounds in a semi-*******
• quicker fire

What's going on with these student gun marches are way, way overdue. Notice NO ONE is in Washington, DC ... bunch of pussies.

I agree the rifle has the advantage but lets also remember that almost all school shootings are carried out by younger people , former students etc. And usually they have very little training if any so they are just in there spraying bullets....the cops responding are usually much more trained so their traing and practice even with handguns can level the field.

I say arm the cops in the schools with AR's, really levels the field then.

 

[subhub174014]

I say arm the cops in the schools with AR's, really levels the field then.

Oh hell no!...got students going to school to learn and some guy walking the halls with an AR?...NAW!
maybe if he had a small office somewhere in the middle of the school and kept one locked in there maybe...but don't want the school to look like a prison camp!

besides a well trained officer with a semi-auto ******* can be just as effective inside a building as an in-experienced person with a semi-auto rifle...I would think


Rubio not helping his case for re-election much is he?
he has pretty much made a bunch of enemies already over this...and doesn't know when to shut his mouth and just sit back!
he faced a tough re-election last time....might be even tougher this time!...even with the NRA"s money
and speaking of NRA money...they are dumping a bunch here lately aren't they!

 

[Alanm]

Oh hell no!...got students going to school to learn and some guy walking the halls with an AR?...NAW!
maybe if he had a small office somewhere in the middle of the school and kept one locked in there maybe...but don't want the school to look like a prison camp!

besides a well trained officer with a semi-auto ******* can be just as effective inside a building as an in-experienced person with a semi-auto rifle...I would think


Rubio not helping his case for re-election much is he?
he has pretty much made a bunch of enemies already over this...and doesn't know when to shut his mouth and just sit back!
he faced a tough re-election last time....might be even tougher this time!...even with the NRA"s money
and speaking of NRA money...they are dumping a bunch here lately aren't they!

Thats been my point all along that well trained armed officers in the school even with pistols can go up against a shooter with an AR. I dont think mac feels the same judging by his last post. That was kind of why i mentioned arming them with AR's.

My point has always been this. Best thing we can do is keep armed intruders OUT of the schools...granted u cant stop them 100 percent of the time and if they do get into a school u need to stop them as quickly as possible. One reason i dont like teachers armed is i know one article i read about an ohio school district that has armed teachers.....only problem is they are not actually armed. The guns are locked in a few locations around the school. While that sounds great its of little help when someone opens fire and they need to get to a safe and open it under stress or fire. When seconds count thats not going to help.

 

[MacNfries]

I say arm the cops in the schools with AR's, really levels the field then.

Of course you would ... I wouldn't expect any other answer from the "gun lovers" club.

If a handgun is all you have then it comes down to tactics and surprise.

Yeah, tell that to the underpaid teacher, who has a family of his/her own that ... yeah, the shooters got this huge advantage ... so, go sneak up on him. We're trying to deal with reality here, Alanm, and you're pulling the old "wishful thinking" routine. Just how "close" can this teacher with a glock sneak up on this gunman before he sees her? Twenty feet .... fifty feet??? You see, we're back to that gun range & accuracy of shooting.
Distance isnt the issue....i highly doubt the shooter was shooting 100 meters in any of these school shooting ....thats over 100 yards[/QUOTE]
Distance IS one of the issues ... you come running down the haul with your little glock, you're not going to get to 25 feet ... maybe a hundred, and that's stretching it for accuracy in shooting handguns. And you'd put YOUR baby in that school knowing a bunch of teachers have handguns to take out a military weapon? Why don't you start smelling what you're shoveling to us "sensible gun owners", ok? The schools aren't lucky enough to have champion ******* shooters in their schools like you. THEY are there to teach.

 

[MacNfries]

Here's what's reality, Alanm ... because Republicans would NOT come to the table to discuss & negotiate new gun laws & procedures, the restrictions that are probably going to occur to gun owners is going to be a lot stricter ... these high school ******* are on a big mission, and they're gaining steam as they go. If this comes around to the mid-terms UNADRESSED to their satisfaction, the slaying the republicans are going to experience in the election is going to be historic.

 

[Alanm]

Of course you would ... I wouldn't expect any other answer from the "gun lovers" club.

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Yeah, tell that to the underpaid teacher, who has a family of his/her own that ... yeah, the shooters got this huge advantage ... so, go sneak up on him. We're trying to deal with reality here, Alanm, and you're pulling the old "wishful thinking" routine. Just how "close" can this teacher with a glock sneak up on this gunman before he sees her? Twenty feet .... fifty feet??? You see, we're back to that gun range & accuracy of shooting.
Distance isnt the issue....i highly doubt the shooter was shooting 100 meters in any of these school shooting ....thats over 100 yards

Distance IS one of the issues ... you come running down the haul with your little glock, you're not going to get to 25 feet ... maybe a hundred, and that's stretching it for accuracy in shooting handguns. And you'd put YOUR baby in that school knowing a bunch of teachers have handguns to take out a military weapon? Why don't you start smelling what you're shoveling to us "sensible gun owners", ok? The schools aren't lucky enough to have champion ******* shooters in their schools like you. THEY are there to teach.[/QUOTE]

Right which is why i dont advocate arming teachers but arming them is better than nothing if the schools wont increase the number of armed officers in schools.

You know damned well the school shootings will continue and like the last school shooting which i notice nobody is talking about the school resource officer was on the scene quickly and engaged the shooter. Thats exactly what we need. And Florida might not have been nearly as bad had The officer took his ass in the school and tried to stop this kid. But he chose to hang out outside and you see what happened.

 

[Alanm]

Here's what's reality, Alanm ... because Republicans would NOT come to the table to discuss & negotiate new gun laws & procedures, the restrictions that are probably going to occur to gun owners is going to be a lot stricter ... these high school ******* are on a big mission, and they're gaining steam as they go. If this comes around to the mid-terms UNADRESSED to their satisfaction, the slaying the republicans are going to experience in the election is going to be historic.

I doubt it. I have seen some of thier issues they want resolved. Had a discussion online with a high school student the other day and the kid suggested a much longer background check of like 2 weeks....and i was like ok to do what? If you dont have a criminal record it doesnt matter how long the wait is. Then he suggested mental health checks be included and again my point is if you have never been committed or recieved treatment then whats it going to find. Nothing. He suggested that it should always be 21 to purchase a firearm and i said i didnt see a problem with that although it does little to nothing stopping a shooter.

 

[MacNfries]

The officer took his ass in the school and tried to stop this kid. But he chose to hang out outside and you see what happened.

Yep, that officer said "I'm not going to try to be a hero for $35,000 a year ... nope, not me! I don't want to die today. I'll wait until backup gets here THEN we will all go in and face that gunman."
That officer knew the risk ... was he a coward? He didn't perform his duty, BUT, he's alive today ... I say he made a right decision.

 

[Alanm]

Here's what's reality, Alanm ... because Republicans would NOT come to the table to discuss & negotiate new gun laws & procedures, the restrictions that are probably going to occur to gun owners is going to be a lot stricter ... these high school ******* are on a big mission, and they're gaining steam as they go. If this comes around to the mid-terms UNADRESSED to their satisfaction, the slaying the republicans are going to experience in the election is going to be historic.

I suggest much higher armed security presence at schools and a much more target hardnened school. Solves a lot of shchool shooting....more than " gun control " would.

But that costs money and schools dont wanna spend the money. Its funny they have no problem doing fundraisers for new footballs fields or score boards or band uniforms etc. How about doing a fundraiser to update the schools doors and windows to bullet resistant glass and adding a few more armed security, etc