You have a clear choice for 2020 - feeling the way ya do - his name is Eric Swalwell.
TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED
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You have a clear choice for 2020 - feeling the way ya do - his name is Eric Swalwell.
Just when you think liberals can’t possibly get any worse someone like you comes along to prove ya wrong :}
just to prove my point
syscom3 said:
The deep state tried with all their might to find a legal way to get rid of Trump but failed to do so.
Now when the Democrats say “impeachment anyway”, we should say back “civil war”.
Remind them there will be violent consequences to their temper tantrums.
Get over it. There were no crimes and he is innocent.I'll agree with that @STIFFBBC, - save the question for his 2nd term just like Nixon's crimes caught up to him in his 2nd term if there is one.
This is far from over and only just the start of this unethical crook's inevitable ending.
Similar to the other crook of a President Trump should just do the same and resign now or in his 2nd term as to quote Nixon, "...To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as president, I must put the interest of America first.”
Presidential attempts to abuse power by putting personal interests above the nation's can surely be impeachable
* * * F A C T S * * *GUILTY OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. AG Barr is attempting to help cover up the obstruction case for Trump as he cherry picked his statements and left out whole quotes from Mueller's investigation.
* * * F A C T S * * *
The recorded annals on this apocalyptic presidency of Idocracy continues.
Mueller's report does not exonerate Trump one bit and his report is left up to Congress to determine what to do next.
You can troll on here all you want spouting faux news nonsense with your heads buried in the sand but Trump admitted himself his Presidency is FUCKED - to use his words exactly.
BLUF: Four critical quotes from the report that AG Barr completely and conveniently left out in his early 4 pg summary statement:
- The special counsel's team emphasized that "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."
- "The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred," the report continued. "Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
- But when Mueller's report was released Thursday, it revealed that Barr omitted a significant caveat prosecutors included in their findings. Specifically, Mueller's team wrote that "the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and ... the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."
If your so innocent why would you be worried about Mueller investigating you????
- When Trump learned Mueller had been appointed special counsel, he said, "I'm f--ked. This is the end of my presidency."
I called it in my vote it would take place in the 3rd year of Trump's presidency, this is the domino effect in which his downfall will finally begin. It took 17months to impeach Clinton in congress, and Nixon resigned finally after some 2 long years of congressional hearings (72 to 74') well into his 2nd term..
The 11 biggest takeaways from the Mueller report
1. A footnote fuels speculation about the most salacious allegation in the Steele dossier
What was perhaps the most interesting detail in the report was buried in a footnote.
In it, Mueller quoted a Russian businessman, Giorgi Rtskhiladze, as telling Michael Cohen via text message on October 30, 2016, that he had "stopped flow of tapes from Russia" that featured compromising, and potentially fabricated, material on Trump.
The revelation reignited intense speculation about one of the most salacious and sexually lurid allegations in the Steele dossier — that the Russian government possessed video evidence of the president engaging in sexual acts involving urination with Russian prostitutes in Moscow.
In the obstruction probe, the special counsel found that Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."
The special counsel then outlined several instances in which Trump ordered an adviser or administration official to do something, and they declined to do so:
2. Trump's many attempts to exert control over the Russia probe failed largely because aides refused to carry out his orders
In the obstruction probe, the special counsel found that Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."
The special counsel then outlined several instances in which Trump ordered an adviser or administration official to do something, and they declined to do so:
3. The Trump campaign 'expected it would benefit' from Russia's election interference
- Former FBI director James Comey's refusal to drop the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn. That decision, Mueller said, "ultimately resulted in Flynn's prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI."
- Former White House counsel Don McGahn's refusal to tell then acting attorney general Rod Rosenstein to oust Mueller. McGahn was prepared to resign instead of following Trump's order.
- Former campaign advisers Corey Lewandowski's and Rick Dearborn's refusal to deliver a message to then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions telling him to constrain the scope of the Russia probe to cover only future election meddling.
- McGahn's refusal to publicly deny reporting about Trump's efforts to have Mueller removed as special counsel. "McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President's direction" to remove Mueller, "despite the President's multiple demands that he do so," the report said.
*COLLUSION - COLLUSION - COLLUSION*
Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press
Attorney General William Barr quoted directly from Mueller's report when he told Congress the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
But prosecutors prefaced that statement with a significant caveat: "The investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and ... the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."
Barr made no mention of that finding by prosecutors in his initial summary of the report, in a subsequent letter to Congress, during several days of testimony before Congress, or at his Thursday morning news conference.
4. The real reason Mueller didn't charge Trump with obstruction
*BARR LIED AND SHOULD BE DIS-BARRED*
Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP
By far the most interesting, and the most nuanced, legal argument in the report appears in Mueller's obstruction findings.
He laid out 11 potential instances of obstruction by the president, but the special counsel declined to make a "traditional prosecutorial judgment."
On Thursday morning, Barr told reporters Mueller's decision was not influenced by DOJ guidelines that state a sitting president cannot be indicted. He said that in fact, Mueller's determination — or lack thereof — was prompted by the inconclusive nature of the evidence.
But in his report, Mueller did not cite the nature, or lack of, evidence as a reason he did not come to a decision on obstruction. He did, however, cite the DOJ policy against charging a sitting president.
Moreover, the special counsel's team emphasized that "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not [emphasis ours] commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."
"The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred," the report continued. "Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
It is not new knowledge that Mueller's report did not exonerate the president. Indeed, Barr quoted that part of the sentence in his initial summary to Congress of the special counsel's findings.
But what stands out in the report is the reason Mueller states for not being able to exonerate the president.
* IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT *
It doesn't hinge on a lack of evidence. Instead, the special counsel appears to determine that even if he wanted to charge Trump with a crime — and he laid out multiple instances in which the president appeared to meet the threshold necessary for obstruction — he is constrained by the current legal framework.
5. Mueller directly contradicted Barr on 'collusion'
*NO EXONERATION THAT TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN DID NOT COMMIT COLLUSION - ONLY CONSPIRACY*
Attorney General William Barr AP Photo/Andrew Harnik
Barr told reporters multiple times during Thursday's news conference that there was "no collusion" between Trump and/or anyone associated with his campaign and the Russian government.
But Mueller's report specified that prosecutors used the framework of conspiracy law — not "collusion" — when determining if there was coordination between the campaign and the Russian government.
"Collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law," the report said. "For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in criminal law." Ultimately, Mueller's team did not find sufficient evidence to bring a conspiracy charge against the campaign or anyone associated with it.
6. Sarah Huckabee Sanders admitted to lying to the public about Comey's firing
*A DEN OF THIEVES AND LIARS*
Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
The White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders admitted under oath to Mueller's office that she lied to the media and the public on May 11, 2017, when she said she had heard from "countless" members of the FBI who told her they were "grateful and thankful" Trump had fired Comey two days earlier.
"Following the press conference, Sanders spoke to the President, who told her she did a good job and did not point out any inaccuracies in her comments," Mueller's report said. "Sanders told this Office that her reference to hearing from 'countless members of the FBI' was a 'slip of the tongue.'"
The report added that Sanders "also recalled that her statement in a separate press interview that rank-and-file FBI agents had lost confidence in Comey was a comment she made 'in the heat of the moment' that was not founded on anything."
7. Flynn told Mueller that Trump directed him to find deleted Hillary Clinton emails
Michael Flynn. AP Photo/Susan Walsh
Mueller's report revealed that after Trump, then the Republican presidential nominee, infamously called on Russia to "find the 30,000 [Hillary Clinton] emails that are missing" during a July 27, 2016, news conference, he asked people associated with his campaign to obtain the emails.
Flynn told Mueller that he contacted several people at Trump's direction, including the longtime Senate staffer Barbara Ledeen and the late GOP strategist Peter Smith.
One proposed plan to obtain "missing" Clinton emails included a phase of possibly contacting foreign intelligence services to determine if anyone had hacked Clinton's server.
"The proposal noted, 'Even if a single email was recovered and the providence [sic] of that email was a foreign service, it would be catastrophic to the Clinton campaign,'" according to the Mueller report.
The proposal was emailed by Ledeen to Smith, who declined to participate, the report said.
8. In response to Mueller's written questions, Trump said he did 'not recall' or 'remember' or 'have an independent recollection' more than 30 times
*IF YOUR SO INNOCENT WHY CAN'T YOU TESTIFY AND GIVE YOUR ACCOUNT OF THE STORY*
President Donald Trump. AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais
Mueller's team told Trump's lawyers that the answers were insufficient and began weighing whether to subpoena the president for a sit-down interview with the special counsel.
But prosecutors ultimately decided that it wouldn't be worth fighting a drawn-out legal battle with Trump's lawyers over a subpoena. Crucially, they also determined that the "substantial quantity of information" they obtained from other sources allowed them to "draw relevant factual conclusions on intent and credibility, which are often inferred from circumstantial evidence and assessed without direct testimony from the subject of the investigation."
9. Paul Manafort discussed much more than just 2016 Trump campaign polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik
*MORE PROOF THAT THERE WAS COLLUSION DURING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN- DIFFERENT FROM CONSPIRACY WHICH IS WHAT MUELLER SAID HE INVESTIGATED FOR*
Drew Angerer/Getty Images
Mueller's team has already revealed through earlier court filings that Manafort, the former chairman of Trump's campaign, shared confidential campaign polling data with his longtime associate, the former Russian intelligence operative Konstantin Kilimnik.
It's also been revealed that the two met multiple times during the campaign, that they communicated frequently, and that Manafort used Kilimnik as a conduit to the Russian-Ukrainian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, to whom Manafort offered "private briefings" on the campaign.
But Mueller's report revealed that when Manafort and Kilimnik met on August 2, 2016, in addition to discussing a Ukraine "peace plan" that favored Moscow, the two men also discussed how they "believed the plan would require candidate Trump's assent (were he to be elected president)."
Moreover, they discussed the Trump campaign's strategy to win over Democratic voters in key Midwestern battleground states.
The report also said Manafort and Kilimnik continued sharing polling data "for some period of time after their August meeting."
10. 'Substantial evidence corroborates' Comey's account of a key event before his firing over Trump's account
* TRUMP LIED AGAIN - HIS OWN PRESIDENTIAL DIARY CONTRADICTED HIM *
President Donald Trump and then-FBI Director James Comey , during an Inaugural Law
Enforcement Officers and First Responders Reception in the White House in January 2017. Andrew Harrer-Pool/Getty Images
The former FBI director has become somewhat of a bête noire for the White House and the Republican Party ever since he was abruptly ousted from his post in May 2017.
Since then, Comey and the president have offered dueling accounts of their interactions in the days and months leading up to Comey's firing.
Key among their disputes was Comey's claim that Trump had asked him for his loyalty during a private dinner in early 2017.
Trump and his advisers have repeatedly denied that, and the president also indicated he did not invite Comey to the White House for dinner, telling a reporter he thought Comey had "asked for the dinner" because "he wanted to stay on."
However, Mueller determined that there was "substantial evidence" to corroborate Comey's version of events surrounding the dinner invitation and request for loyalty.
Moreover, Mueller also said the President's Daily Diary confirmed he "extend[ed] a dinner invitation" to Comey on January 27. Prosecutors also pointed to Comey's contemporaneous notes of the dinner, his conversations with senior FBI officials, and his congressional and FBI testimony as bolstering his account of the night.
"Comey's memory of the details of the dinner, including that the President requested loyalty, has remained consistent throughout," the report said.
12. Mueller referred 14 criminal matters to other US Attorneys' offices — we only know about 2 of them
Robert Mueller. Aaron Bernstein/Reuters
"During the course of the investigation, the Office periodically identified evidence of potential criminal activity that was outside the scope of the Special Counsel's jurisdiction established by the Acting Attorney General," Mueller wrote. "After consultation with the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, the Office referred that evidence to appropriate law enforcement authorities, principally other components of the Department of Justice and the FBI."
The two criminal investigations we know of that were referred by Mueller are those dealing with Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's former lawyer, and Gregory Craig, the former White House counsel under former President Barack Obama.
The other dozen ongoing matters for now remain a mystery.
ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/big...vent-before-his-firing-over-trumps-account-10
TDS is easily cured. Just accept the fact he is president and there was no collusion.
Lol,
So now you are talking about nuclear codes? You have ZERO idea how the chain of command works and the process that prevents unauthorized use. No president can authorize the usage of nukes unless others also authorize them. And it’s been that way for many decades.
Keep making us laugh with your absurdities. You really are entertaining.
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- Before Finishing 1st year?
Votes: 5129.3% - After 1st year?
Votes: 2614.9% - After 2nd year in office?
Votes: 2313.2% - After 3rd year and before he completes his full term?
Votes: 3319.0% - I hate America, I don't believe in Justice and that Trump is guilty or should be Impeached.
Votes: 4123.6%
Look at the choices. Then look at the responses.
Then laugh.
We all have our biases and @BigBlackBull76 undoubtedly created this thread when he was disappointed who won the election in 2016 so that is reflected in the choices for the poll, especially the last option. But you should separate the votes from the percentages otherwise it does not make any sense @nongolfer.
More BullShit. The report contains grand jury testimony which under Title III Rule 6(e) must be kept within the possession of the DOJ attorneys unless ordered by a court otherwise:
(e) Recording and Disclosing the Proceedings.
(1) Recording the Proceedings. Except while the grand jury is deliberating or voting, all proceedings must be recorded by a court reporter or by a suitable recording device. But the validity of a prosecution is not affected by the unintentional failure to make a recording. Unless the court orders otherwise, an attorney for the government will retain control of the recording, the reporter's notes, and any transcript prepared from those notes.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
They did not block the entirety of the report. They in fact released over 90% of it not just to Congress but to the entire world.
The uber left leaning CNN and VOX both disagree. They both say only about 7% to 8% of the report is redacted.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/mueller-report-redactions/index.html
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/19/18485535/mueller-report-redactions-data-chart
I cited specific US legal code which says otherwise. Please provide us specific US legal code which would allow Barr to release Grand Jury testimony without a court order, or admit you are just earning your name of MacNLies.
article 1 paragraph a under subhub's morale code says forget impeachment...hang the fucker
No trial?
Nope...he has been on prohbation for 2 years and still violated everything there is about decency in that office
besides his pissing on Obama's mattress just shows how biased and perverted he is
Such an act would create a bad precident for the future and transform America into a lawless anarchy little by little. Plus if anything did happen to Trump would you really want to openly confess you had something behind his execution after the fact? You obviously loathe Trump but would you hate him enough to be locked up in a supermax prison for the rest of your life @subhub174014 ?
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The ignorance in this country is at an all time high. Syscom3 is just one small pittance of proof. Lincoln said it best when he said this country will never fall from the outside, it will fall from within.
we have already lowered the standards so low now...…..with the senate wanting to close the door on what trump has done...they just gave him a free hand to do more......and lowered the bar for any future pres....that office has ALWAYS been held to a higher standard.....until now.....now it just shows how much corruption you can get away with and nothing said
I will certainly agree with you on your first sentence....although I doubt you have the correct view of where the ignorance lies.
Too bad Lincoln never said that quote....quite ironic actually given your first sentence
Following another quote often mistakenly attributed to Lincoln would behoove several posters on this forum: “It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/5-lincoln-quotes-old-abe-never-said
Don't feel bad about misquoting Lincoln. You're in good company....President Trump did the same thing:
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Abraham Lincoln once said, “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” 28 December 2003, The Gazette (Colorado Springs, CO), “Quote, Unquote,” Metro, pg. 6, col. 4: “America will never be destroyed from the outside.
So, syscom, please point out where I said authorize the usage of nukes? You keep us libs laughing with your inability to R-E-A-D!
If you can't respond to the comments posted, please stay out of the discussion, kapesh'?
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Here you go, buttface ...
First, although government attorneys are generally prohibited from releasing grand jury materials under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e), the rule allows “[a]n attorney for the government” to disclose grand jury material involving “foreign intelligence information … to any federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense, or national security official to assist the official receiving the information in the performance of that official’s duties.” There is a strong argument that at least members of the House and Senate intelligence committees are “national security officials” who should receive the information in the performance of their duties. Thus, grand jury materials implicating foreign intelligence should be confidentially released to at least the intelligence committees.
OP-ED: How Congress Can Legally See the Entire, Unredacted Mueller Report | Constitutional Accountability Center
Thursday, special counsel Robert Mueller’s long-awaited report was released to Congress and the public—or at least parts of it were. The report that was publicly released contains significant redactions. Attorney General William Barr suggested that he would release a version with fewer...
www.theusconstitution.org
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..... I wrote this with YOU specifically in mind, hoping hubby:
You should have read the first paragraph from where you blindly cut and pasted that. The page is a list of places where Lincoln was misquoted as having said statements similar to that.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves” is a quotation frequently attributed to Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), but he never said it.
https://www.barrypopik.com/index.ph...rica_will_never_be_destroyed_from_the_outside
I'd like to think you don't believe Lincoln was alive and said that in 2003....I'd like to think you're at least that intelligent. Regardless, thanks for providing another shining example of the other quote often incorrectly attributed for Lincoln:
I will certainly agree with you on your first sentence....although I doubt you have the correct view of where the ignorance lies.
Too bad Lincoln never said that quote....quite ironic actually given your first sentence
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/5-lincoln-quotes-old-abe-never-said
Don't feel bad about misquoting Lincoln. You're in good company....President Trump did the same thing:
I never thought Trump and @subhub174014 would agree by quoting Lincoln exactly! ? I wonder what kind of natural disasters this might cause in the world, besides Sri Lanka but that was a man-made disaster (https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/sri-lanka-easter-sunday-explosions-dle-intl/index.html)?
