TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED
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You are ranting Mac. Now lets see. During the Obama tenure the Democratic party lost over 900 state legislative seats, 12 governors, 69 house seats, and 13 senate seats. His coat tails are apparently pretty short. Then there is the health care debacle, he started rewriting the law through executive orders as soon as it was passed. His only real concern was the program had to survive until he left office and then the finger pointing would begin. Then there is the total lack of balls in foreign policy, Russia invaded the Ukraine and North Korea ramped up their nuclear program and Obama gets the Nobel peace prize. Unbelievable! The world is a good deal less safe now. Obama is the best salesman I have every seen. He probably was right when he said he could have gotten elected to a third term, however I seriously doubt the Democratic party could have survived four more years of him. And if he did get elected to a third term it is a safe bet that a North Korean nuke would have landed on U.S. soil or that of a close ally. And Putin's sabre rattling would like have gained him some serious concessions. You are quite right that Obama didn't piss off too many people. But doing the right thing often isn't easy and sometimes a real leader needs to take a hard line Being a leader is not about winning a popularity contest. Despite his failing and there are many, Trump is at least trying to do what he thinks will benefit the country. Obama on the other hand was interested only what would benefit him. That has always been the way he is well before he ever entered the White House..........
Man, that's a good one. Maybe you should try "stand up comedy" for a while.
Well, the difference is that Obama didn't piss everyone off and cause chaos, hate & discontent, or lie every time he drew a breath of air. Didn't act like a 2-3 year old kid and keep firing people. Obama accomplished a lot considering.
A little sidebar I will throw into this post. It appears the Mueller investigation is talking to some people in the Clinton camp. It seems at this time that the dossier of allegations and innuendo during the election may have had it's origins in the Clinton camp. It will be interesting to see how that shakes out.
The Democratic Party reminds me of a wounded apex predator. It doesn't understand how it got into its deadly situation, but it is going to lash out and destroy everything within reach in the hope of escaping and licking it wounds. The Democratic Party got itself into the mess it is in. Hopefully Trump will do to the Republicans what Obama has done to the Democrats. Both parties have outlived their usefulness.
I seriously doubt R.Lee. Ermey is a left wing leaning person. And those allegations and innuendo seems that the Mueller investigation is talking to the Clinton camp. At this time it appears that the dossier that surfaced during the campaign had it's origins with the Clinton camp not Russia. It will be interesting to see what develops in the next week or two
Judgment Day for Trump may come sooner than you think
Washington Post 14 hours ago .
Since taking the oath of office in January, Donald Trump has provided evidence, almost daily, that he is ill-suited to be president of the United States. For months, much of the country has watched in despair as he and his administration have meat-axed the Affordable Care Act; crushed forward-looking Obama-era regulations in education, the environment and consumer protection; and backtracked on civil rights. He has made a mess of things with our allies, emboldened our adversaries and embarrassed the nation on the world stage. We have groaned through his insults and lies and witnessed his embrace of people and causes that travel on the dark side. He shows no signs of relenting. Trump bullies, ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2d079090-debe-3c34-8ae7-4484bcb03379/ss_judgment-day-for-trump-may.html
Washington Post 14 hours ago .
Since taking the oath of office in January, Donald Trump has provided evidence, almost daily, that he is ill-suited to be president of the United States. For months, much of the country has watched in despair as he and his administration have meat-axed the Affordable Care Act; crushed forward-looking Obama-era regulations in education, the environment and consumer protection; and backtracked on civil rights. He has made a mess of things with our allies, emboldened our adversaries and embarrassed the nation on the world stage. We have groaned through his insults and lies and witnessed his embrace of people and causes that travel on the dark side. He shows no signs of relenting. Trump bullies, ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/2d079090-debe-3c34-8ae7-4484bcb03379/ss_judgment-day-for-trump-may.html
Trump lashes out after liberal billionaire funds scathing impeachment ads
Yahoo News Video 22 hours ago .
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lashes-liberal-billionaire-funds-160047842.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lashes-liberal-billionaire-funds-160047842.html
Billionaire Tom Steyer Trolls Trump With Impeachment Ad on ‘Fox & Friends’ (Video)
The Wrap Jon Levine,The Wrap 17
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Liberal billionaire Tom Steyer planted a nasty surprise for Donald Trump on “Fox & Friends.”
As the president watched his favorite show, Steyer’s ad — promoting his effort to impeach Trump — ran over the air-waves, likely causing no small amount of heartburn at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I’m funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment,” said a grave Steyer looking directly into the camera.”A Republican Congress once impeached a president for far less, yet today people in Congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who’s mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons.”
The ad included a link to Steyer’s website, NeedToImpeach.com — so, um, not exactly subtle.
Trump, unused to such acute irritants on his favorite network, issued an immediate response.
“Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning,” he tweeted. “Never wins elections!”
While the president may have hurt Steyer’s feelings, he also gives the impeachment campaign full court exposure to his more than 40 million followers.
Steyer issued several tweeted responses and milked the moment as much as he could. He even tried to rope in Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
a lot of tweets back and forth
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...rolls-trump-impeachment-ad-fox-204127959.html
The Wrap Jon Levine,The Wrap 17
watch vid
Liberal billionaire Tom Steyer planted a nasty surprise for Donald Trump on “Fox & Friends.”
As the president watched his favorite show, Steyer’s ad — promoting his effort to impeach Trump — ran over the air-waves, likely causing no small amount of heartburn at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I’m funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment,” said a grave Steyer looking directly into the camera.”A Republican Congress once impeached a president for far less, yet today people in Congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who’s mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons.”
The ad included a link to Steyer’s website, NeedToImpeach.com — so, um, not exactly subtle.
Trump, unused to such acute irritants on his favorite network, issued an immediate response.
“Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning,” he tweeted. “Never wins elections!”
While the president may have hurt Steyer’s feelings, he also gives the impeachment campaign full court exposure to his more than 40 million followers.
Steyer issued several tweeted responses and milked the moment as much as he could. He even tried to rope in Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
a lot of tweets back and forth
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...rolls-trump-impeachment-ad-fox-204127959.html
Mueller's latest move has Trump's staunchest allies lashing out on Twitter
On Friday, CNN reported that a federal grand jury approved the first charges special counsel Robert Mueller had filed as part of his investigation — and President Donald Trump's closest allies spoke out.
Mueller is tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election. He is also looking into whether anyone on the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the election in his favor, and his decision to file charges likely indicates that the probe is moving from a political fight to a legal one.
Following CNN's report, several prominent Trump supporters slammed the special counsel or shifted attention onto Hillary Clinton and reports that she had retained Fusion GPS last year, the opposition-research firm that funded the so-called Steele dossier containing several salacious allegations about Trump's ties to Russia.
Sebastian Gorka, a controversial Trump supporter who used to work in the White House, suggested that Trump should fire Mueller after the news broke.
"If this man's team executes warrants this weekend he should stripped of his authority by @realDonaldTrump," Gorka tweeted. "Then HE should be investigated."
Fox News host Sean Hannity lashed out at the media after the CNN story.
"Guess;Mueller and Media working hand in hand," Hannity tweeted. "Media to be tipped off. Mueller was FBI Director Who knew of Russian crimes before Uranium one."
Hannity and Fox News have devoted extensive coverage this week to the Uranium One deal, in which the company was partially sold to Russia in 2010. Republicans have repeatedly cast the spotlight on the Uranium One decision in recent days and claimed it indicates that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, not Trump, colluded with Moscow. Democrats have in turn accused Republicans and Trump allies of reviving the story to distract from the Mueller investigation.
The network's coverage of the scandal came on the heels of Trump's claim that the Uranium One deal was comparable to the Watergate scandal.
"I think the uranium sale to Russia and the way that it was done, so underhanded with tremendous amounts of money being passed, I actually think that's Watergate, modern-age," Trump said Wednesday.
Hannity picked up Trump's thread on Friday. "Left needs a dramatic change in the narrative!! Uranium One, Fusion GPS dossier, all out this week," he tweeted. "This is a distraction! TICK TOCK...."
"This has been a HORRIBLE week for Mueller, Special Counsel’s office," the Fox News commentator continued. "THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. Monday I’ll have the details. TICK TOCK....!"
"When will Hillary Clinton be indicted?" he added.
Longtime Republican strategist and informal Trump adviser Roger Stone also jumped into the fray, tweeting out CNN's story and captioning it, "Breaking: Mueller indicts @PaulManafort's driver for double parking."
He later followed up, writing that Mueller was indicting "@PaulManafort's maid for tearing labels of sofa cushions."
Stone spent the rest of the night unloading on several CNN reporters and commentators, including Jake Tapper, Don Lemon, and Charles Blow. He also lashed out at veteran reporter Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate story along with Bob Woodward in the 1970s. On Friday, Bernstein suggested on CNN that Mueller had filed charges earlier than expected to send a message to prospective defendants.
Stone, a stalwart supporter of former President Richard Nixon, tweeted, "If Carl Bernstein says something the overwhelming odds are that it's false lied about Watergate lying lying now."
Alt-right provocateur and Trump loyalist Mike Cernovich adopted a frequent right-wing tactic and criticized those who were behind "leaking" information about Mueller's indictments to CNN. "Leaking this is a felony but there is no rule of law with these criminals," Cernovich tweeted in response to the report.
Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, who has backed Trump since the campaign and recently interviewed him for the network, hosted a segment shortly before the CNN story broke, during which a guest, Ed Rollins, accused the Department of Justice of building a "fake case" against Trump "based on Clinton-Fusion GPS lies."
It's unclear who Mueller filed the charges against and what the specific charges are.
Before approving charges, jurors must believe there's enough evidence to believe a crime was committed, and prosecutors don't usually present indictments unless they believe they can prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt at trial, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti wrote Friday. For that reason, they typically wait until the end of an investigation to file charges.
However, Mariotti added, prosecutors sometimes bring charges earlier if it's part of an effort to coerce a defendant into "flipping" as a witness and cooperating with the investigation.
And Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager, called the "speculation" around Mueller "insane," in a Fox News segment on Saturday morning.
"What we should be focusing on is the continued lies of the Clinton Administration," Lewandowski said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...t-on-twitter/ar-AAuanIM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
On Friday, CNN reported that a federal grand jury approved the first charges special counsel Robert Mueller had filed as part of his investigation — and President Donald Trump's closest allies spoke out.
Mueller is tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 election. He is also looking into whether anyone on the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the election in his favor, and his decision to file charges likely indicates that the probe is moving from a political fight to a legal one.
Following CNN's report, several prominent Trump supporters slammed the special counsel or shifted attention onto Hillary Clinton and reports that she had retained Fusion GPS last year, the opposition-research firm that funded the so-called Steele dossier containing several salacious allegations about Trump's ties to Russia.
Sebastian Gorka, a controversial Trump supporter who used to work in the White House, suggested that Trump should fire Mueller after the news broke.
"If this man's team executes warrants this weekend he should stripped of his authority by @realDonaldTrump," Gorka tweeted. "Then HE should be investigated."
Fox News host Sean Hannity lashed out at the media after the CNN story.
"Guess;Mueller and Media working hand in hand," Hannity tweeted. "Media to be tipped off. Mueller was FBI Director Who knew of Russian crimes before Uranium one."
Hannity and Fox News have devoted extensive coverage this week to the Uranium One deal, in which the company was partially sold to Russia in 2010. Republicans have repeatedly cast the spotlight on the Uranium One decision in recent days and claimed it indicates that Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, not Trump, colluded with Moscow. Democrats have in turn accused Republicans and Trump allies of reviving the story to distract from the Mueller investigation.
The network's coverage of the scandal came on the heels of Trump's claim that the Uranium One deal was comparable to the Watergate scandal.
"I think the uranium sale to Russia and the way that it was done, so underhanded with tremendous amounts of money being passed, I actually think that's Watergate, modern-age," Trump said Wednesday.
Hannity picked up Trump's thread on Friday. "Left needs a dramatic change in the narrative!! Uranium One, Fusion GPS dossier, all out this week," he tweeted. "This is a distraction! TICK TOCK...."
"This has been a HORRIBLE week for Mueller, Special Counsel’s office," the Fox News commentator continued. "THIS IS ALL A DISTRACTION. Monday I’ll have the details. TICK TOCK....!"
"When will Hillary Clinton be indicted?" he added.
Longtime Republican strategist and informal Trump adviser Roger Stone also jumped into the fray, tweeting out CNN's story and captioning it, "Breaking: Mueller indicts @PaulManafort's driver for double parking."
He later followed up, writing that Mueller was indicting "@PaulManafort's maid for tearing labels of sofa cushions."
Stone spent the rest of the night unloading on several CNN reporters and commentators, including Jake Tapper, Don Lemon, and Charles Blow. He also lashed out at veteran reporter Carl Bernstein, who broke the Watergate story along with Bob Woodward in the 1970s. On Friday, Bernstein suggested on CNN that Mueller had filed charges earlier than expected to send a message to prospective defendants.
Stone, a stalwart supporter of former President Richard Nixon, tweeted, "If Carl Bernstein says something the overwhelming odds are that it's false lied about Watergate lying lying now."
Alt-right provocateur and Trump loyalist Mike Cernovich adopted a frequent right-wing tactic and criticized those who were behind "leaking" information about Mueller's indictments to CNN. "Leaking this is a felony but there is no rule of law with these criminals," Cernovich tweeted in response to the report.
Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, who has backed Trump since the campaign and recently interviewed him for the network, hosted a segment shortly before the CNN story broke, during which a guest, Ed Rollins, accused the Department of Justice of building a "fake case" against Trump "based on Clinton-Fusion GPS lies."
It's unclear who Mueller filed the charges against and what the specific charges are.
Before approving charges, jurors must believe there's enough evidence to believe a crime was committed, and prosecutors don't usually present indictments unless they believe they can prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt at trial, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti wrote Friday. For that reason, they typically wait until the end of an investigation to file charges.
However, Mariotti added, prosecutors sometimes bring charges earlier if it's part of an effort to coerce a defendant into "flipping" as a witness and cooperating with the investigation.
And Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager, called the "speculation" around Mueller "insane," in a Fox News segment on Saturday morning.
"What we should be focusing on is the continued lies of the Clinton Administration," Lewandowski said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...t-on-twitter/ar-AAuanIM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
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Amb. McFaul: “No Doubt” Russian Lawyer at Trump Tower “in Touch with Kremlin”
Yahoo View Fri, Oct 27 12:25 PM CDT .
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The meeting between Trump campaign and Russian lawyer was coordinated by the Russian Government, according to New York Times reporting.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amb-mcfaul-no-doubt-russian-172501043.html
Yahoo View Fri, Oct 27 12:25 PM CDT .
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The meeting between Trump campaign and Russian lawyer was coordinated by the Russian Government, according to New York Times reporting.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amb-mcfaul-no-doubt-russian-172501043.html
Russian lawyer reportedly met with Kremlin official before Trump Jr. sitdown
New York Post Fri, Oct
The Russian lawyer who set up a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower to dish dirt on Hillary Clinton discussed her talking points with one of the Kremlin’s most powerful officials before the sitdown, a new report said Friday. Natalia Veselnitskaya — who has repeatedly said she was acting on her own — huddled with Vladimir Putin’s prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika, in the months before the meeting, The New York Times reported. And the memo Veselnitskaya brought with her to the June 2016 meeting was similar to a document Chaika’s office had given to a US lawmaker two months earlier, and included some paragraphs verbatim, according to the report. Special Counsel Robert Mueller is scrutinizing ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5a472f23-634b-333c-b13f-febd7e4c4df1/russian-lawyer-reportedly-met.html
New York Post Fri, Oct
The Russian lawyer who set up a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower to dish dirt on Hillary Clinton discussed her talking points with one of the Kremlin’s most powerful officials before the sitdown, a new report said Friday. Natalia Veselnitskaya — who has repeatedly said she was acting on her own — huddled with Vladimir Putin’s prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika, in the months before the meeting, The New York Times reported. And the memo Veselnitskaya brought with her to the June 2016 meeting was similar to a document Chaika’s office had given to a US lawmaker two months earlier, and included some paragraphs verbatim, according to the report. Special Counsel Robert Mueller is scrutinizing ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5a472f23-634b-333c-b13f-febd7e4c4df1/russian-lawyer-reportedly-met.html
As Russia Probe Heats Up, Conservatives Call For Special Counsel Mueller To Quit
HuffPost Hilary Hanson,HuffPost
Shortly before a federal grand jury filed the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, conservatives were renewing their calls for the attorney to resign.
Shortly before a federal grand jury filed the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, conservatives were renewing their calls for the attorney to resign.
Mueller, who is leading the Justice Department’s investigation as special prosecutor, is a former FBI director, which critics say creates a conflict of interest in the case.
He also previously worked with former FBI director James Comey, who President Donald Trumpfired in May amid the agency’s investigation into Russian interference. David N. Kelley, Comey’s attorney, has disputed Trump’s claim that Comey and Mueller were close friends, maintaining that the pair were “friends in the sense that co-workers are friends.”
The GOP has long complained about Mueller’s supposed lack of objectivity. But this week, demands urging him to quit escalated in the wake of reports that the Democratic National Convention and the Hillary Clinton campaign funded opposition research that turned up a secret dossier on Trump and his alleged Russia ties.
On Thursday the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal — owned by Fox News CEO Rupert Murdoch, a close Trump ally — wrote that the dossier news raises the question of whether the document helped fuel the FBI’s probe into Trump’s campaign. Since the dossier attributes allegations to “Kremlin-connected sources,” the board argues that would mean the FBI could have been essentially acting on “disinformation” provided by Russia. And if there were a need to investigate the FBI’s actions, that would make Mueller’s FBI ties a major conflict of interest.
“The federal code could not be clearer – Mueller is compromised by his apparent conflict of interest in being close with James Comey,” Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz) said in a statement to Fox News on Friday. “The appearance of a conflict is enough to put Mueller in violation of the code.”
Friday morning, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said on “Fox and Friends” that “somebody with Bob Mueller’s integrity” should “step aside.”
Trump has also tweeted that the FBI may have helped pay for the dossier directly, though there’s no apparent evidence this is true.
Meanwhile, journalist Carl Bernstein — best known for his work with Bob Woodward reporting on the Watergate scandal —is accusing Trump of trying to “sabotage” Mueller’s investigation.
“The Russians interfered in our electoral process, and there is an investigation into whether Donald Trump and those around him had foreknowledge of those attempts, and what their relationships were with Russians, business relationships that might have made them vulnerable to Russian objectives,” Bernstein said on Don Lemon’s “CNN Tonight” on Friday. “That’s what Mueller is investigating. And he ought to be able to have the opportunity, without the president of the United States trying to sabotage his investigations, to follow through.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-probe-heats-conservatives-call-160530900.html
HuffPost Hilary Hanson,HuffPost
Shortly before a federal grand jury filed the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, conservatives were renewing their calls for the attorney to resign.
Shortly before a federal grand jury filed the first charges in special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, conservatives were renewing their calls for the attorney to resign.
Mueller, who is leading the Justice Department’s investigation as special prosecutor, is a former FBI director, which critics say creates a conflict of interest in the case.
He also previously worked with former FBI director James Comey, who President Donald Trumpfired in May amid the agency’s investigation into Russian interference. David N. Kelley, Comey’s attorney, has disputed Trump’s claim that Comey and Mueller were close friends, maintaining that the pair were “friends in the sense that co-workers are friends.”
The GOP has long complained about Mueller’s supposed lack of objectivity. But this week, demands urging him to quit escalated in the wake of reports that the Democratic National Convention and the Hillary Clinton campaign funded opposition research that turned up a secret dossier on Trump and his alleged Russia ties.
On Thursday the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal — owned by Fox News CEO Rupert Murdoch, a close Trump ally — wrote that the dossier news raises the question of whether the document helped fuel the FBI’s probe into Trump’s campaign. Since the dossier attributes allegations to “Kremlin-connected sources,” the board argues that would mean the FBI could have been essentially acting on “disinformation” provided by Russia. And if there were a need to investigate the FBI’s actions, that would make Mueller’s FBI ties a major conflict of interest.
“The federal code could not be clearer – Mueller is compromised by his apparent conflict of interest in being close with James Comey,” Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz) said in a statement to Fox News on Friday. “The appearance of a conflict is enough to put Mueller in violation of the code.”
Friday morning, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said on “Fox and Friends” that “somebody with Bob Mueller’s integrity” should “step aside.”
Trump has also tweeted that the FBI may have helped pay for the dossier directly, though there’s no apparent evidence this is true.
Meanwhile, journalist Carl Bernstein — best known for his work with Bob Woodward reporting on the Watergate scandal —is accusing Trump of trying to “sabotage” Mueller’s investigation.
“The Russians interfered in our electoral process, and there is an investigation into whether Donald Trump and those around him had foreknowledge of those attempts, and what their relationships were with Russians, business relationships that might have made them vulnerable to Russian objectives,” Bernstein said on Don Lemon’s “CNN Tonight” on Friday. “That’s what Mueller is investigating. And he ought to be able to have the opportunity, without the president of the United States trying to sabotage his investigations, to follow through.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-probe-heats-conservatives-call-160530900.html
Trump's Pardoning Powers Could Be Limited After Mueller's First Indictment
Newsweek Jason Silverstein,Newsweek
With the first indictment looming from the federal Trump-Russia investigation, President Donald Trump is getting a reminder: His pardoning pardons can’t fix everything.
“I don't think the president's power is all that absolute, as people have been suggesting,” California Representative Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told ABC News’ “This Week” Sunday.
“The president cannot pardon people if it's an effort to obstruct justice, if it's an effort to prevent Bob Mueller and others from learning about the President's own conduct. So, there are limitations.”
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who has been investigating the Trump campaign’s potential Russia ties, is expected to unseal his first criminal charges as early as Monday.
Schiff said he has not been told who will be hit by the indictments, but he believes based on press reports that it will either be former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort or former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Both men resigned from their positions after controversy over their ties to foreign governments, which Mueller has been scrutinizing.
If Trump tries to pardon whoever faces charges, he could several major hurdles.
The Constitution allows the president broad powers to pardon people for “Offenses against the United States." There is no precedent for a sitting president pardoning people tied to his campaign, as will likely be the case for Mueller’s debut indictment.
The Constitution contains no language barring such a pardon, but with the Trump administration, it probably wouldn’t pass without a fight.
For example, the only limit in the Constitution is that presidents can’t issue pardons for offenses relating to their impeachment. If Mueller issues charges that could be tied to a potentially impeachment offense for Trump, Congress could swiftly enact impeachment proceeding — thus stripping Trump of his powers.
Such an unprecedented pardon would also lead to inevitable legal battles, which could reach the Supreme Court, giving the justices final say on whether Trump’s pardons can stand.
Beyond this, presidents only have the power to pardon federal offenses — but state offenses are out of their jurisdiction.
Trump has no power to quash state charges, which can only be pardoned by state officials. So if a state attorney general takes up any of the federal charges from Mueller — for instance, charges related to Trump business practices in New York — Trump’s troubles would continue.
Reports have circulated for months that Trump has been wondering about the reach of his pardoning powers, and even asked about the possibility of a self-pardon, which is also not barred by the Constitution.
Trump has also been publicly boasting about his abilities to pardon. He wrote in a July tweet that “ all agree the U.S. President has the complete power to pardon,” showing a mistaken understanding of how far his powers can go.
It is not known who will be named in Mueller’s first indictment or what the charges will be.
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a Republican and Trump ally, said Mueller's soon-to-be suspect likely already knows what’s coming.
“Believe me, if you’re the person, you know,” Christie, a former federal prosecutor, told "This Week.”
“If you’ve been told you’re a target, believe me, you’re not sleeping well anyway.”
Newsweek Jason Silverstein,Newsweek
With the first indictment looming from the federal Trump-Russia investigation, President Donald Trump is getting a reminder: His pardoning pardons can’t fix everything.
“I don't think the president's power is all that absolute, as people have been suggesting,” California Representative Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told ABC News’ “This Week” Sunday.
“The president cannot pardon people if it's an effort to obstruct justice, if it's an effort to prevent Bob Mueller and others from learning about the President's own conduct. So, there are limitations.”
Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who has been investigating the Trump campaign’s potential Russia ties, is expected to unseal his first criminal charges as early as Monday.
Schiff said he has not been told who will be hit by the indictments, but he believes based on press reports that it will either be former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort or former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Both men resigned from their positions after controversy over their ties to foreign governments, which Mueller has been scrutinizing.
If Trump tries to pardon whoever faces charges, he could several major hurdles.
The Constitution allows the president broad powers to pardon people for “Offenses against the United States." There is no precedent for a sitting president pardoning people tied to his campaign, as will likely be the case for Mueller’s debut indictment.
The Constitution contains no language barring such a pardon, but with the Trump administration, it probably wouldn’t pass without a fight.
For example, the only limit in the Constitution is that presidents can’t issue pardons for offenses relating to their impeachment. If Mueller issues charges that could be tied to a potentially impeachment offense for Trump, Congress could swiftly enact impeachment proceeding — thus stripping Trump of his powers.
Such an unprecedented pardon would also lead to inevitable legal battles, which could reach the Supreme Court, giving the justices final say on whether Trump’s pardons can stand.
Beyond this, presidents only have the power to pardon federal offenses — but state offenses are out of their jurisdiction.
Trump has no power to quash state charges, which can only be pardoned by state officials. So if a state attorney general takes up any of the federal charges from Mueller — for instance, charges related to Trump business practices in New York — Trump’s troubles would continue.
Reports have circulated for months that Trump has been wondering about the reach of his pardoning powers, and even asked about the possibility of a self-pardon, which is also not barred by the Constitution.
Trump has also been publicly boasting about his abilities to pardon. He wrote in a July tweet that “ all agree the U.S. President has the complete power to pardon,” showing a mistaken understanding of how far his powers can go.
It is not known who will be named in Mueller’s first indictment or what the charges will be.
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a Republican and Trump ally, said Mueller's soon-to-be suspect likely already knows what’s coming.
“Believe me, if you’re the person, you know,” Christie, a former federal prosecutor, told "This Week.”
“If you’ve been told you’re a target, believe me, you’re not sleeping well anyway.”
Eric Trump Is Using Manafort's Indictment to Raise Cash From 'Loyal' Republicans
Newsweek Jessica Kwong,Newsweek
Only an hour after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy against the U.S., money laundering and other charges on Monday morning, President Donald Trump’s ******* sent out a campaign fundraising email asking for contributions. The mass email from Eric Trump makes no reference to charges against Manafort and his former business associate Richard Gates, but the subject line reads “Still standing,” and the timing speaks volumes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/eric-trump-using-manafort-apos-151621376.html
Newsweek Jessica Kwong,Newsweek
Only an hour after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy against the U.S., money laundering and other charges on Monday morning, President Donald Trump’s ******* sent out a campaign fundraising email asking for contributions. The mass email from Eric Trump makes no reference to charges against Manafort and his former business associate Richard Gates, but the subject line reads “Still standing,” and the timing speaks volumes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/eric-trump-using-manafort-apos-151621376.html
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BOOOM!!!!
I've been away busy handling my business, but all this morning on Bloomberg Business they can't stop talking about the Bomb that just blew-up in DC. People have accused me of posting nothing relevant but B.S. but all the B.S. I've posted here WILL BE VINDICATED and I will throw it all back in your faces as I promised. Hence I came out of semi-retirement.
Oh yeah, and I see the Impeachment vote counter still ticking up with people on the 'Pro' side rather the 'Con' side.
Chump tried to wag the dog and spin the false narrative about the Shillary Uranium B.S. in which several (count them 7) different US Agencies had to approve of the Uranium deal which she had no control over the other 6 besides the DEPT of State, but the spotlight is back where it should be at on the real Crooked one in office.
BOOOM!!!!
I've been away busy handling my business, but all this morning on Bloomberg Business they can't stop talking about the Bomb that just blew-up in DC. People have accused me of posting nothing relevant but B.S. but all the B.S. I've posted here WILL BE VINDICATED and I will throw it all back in your faces as I promised. Hence I came out of semi-retirement.
Oh yeah, and I see the Impeachment vote counter still ticking up with people on the 'Pro' side rather the 'Con' side.
Chump tried to wag the dog and spin the false narrative about the Shillary Uranium B.S. in which several (count them 7) different US Agencies had to approve of the Uranium deal which she had no control over the other 6 besides the DEPT of State, but the spotlight is back where it should be at on the real Crooked one in office.
- Indictments released Monday in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's probe did not mention President Donald Trump or his campaign, allowing Trump to distance himself from the charges.
- But this is likely just the tip of the iceberg, and the indictments make clear that Mueller is willing to look into relevant dealings that precede the campaign.
The special counsel's office unsealed court filings on Monday that demonstrated extensive contact between an early adviser on President Donald Trump's campaign and Russia-linked foreign nationals during the election, raising the stakes for the White House amid Trump's former campaign chairman's indictment for financial crimes.
Legal experts say the decision to unseal the court filings related to the Trump adviser, George Papadopoulos, hours after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his longtime business associate Rick Gates turned themselves in to the FBI may have been strategic.
"It was revealed at this time, I think, to blunt criticism of the Manafort/Gates indictment for being only tangentially related to Russia (i.e., the money came from the Russian puppet Ukrainians)," said Patrick Cotter, a former assistant US attorney who has worked closely with Mueller in the past and now practices at Greensfelder, Hemker & Gale, P.C.
The Manafort and Gates indictment, unsealed Monday morning, contained 12 counts related mostly to financial crimes like money laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent. The filing did not mention Trump or the campaign, which allowed Trump to distance himself from Manafort in a tweet on Monday morning.
"Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign," Trump tweeted on Monday morning. "But why aren't Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????"
The fact that Papadopoulos pleaded guilty in October to lying to federal agents about his contact with Russia-linked foreign nationals, however, "is equally, if not more, important" than the Manafort and Gates indictments, Cotter said.
"With Papadopoulos, the prosecutors are saying: 'Yes, we are making progress on the Russia connection to the Trump campaign and this witness will lead us to other evidence and witnesses. More to come on Russia,'" Cotter said. "It also serves as a warning to people who dealt with Papadopoulos that if they lie about those contacts, the government is in a position to indict them for false statement, obstruction or perjury."
As The New Yorker's Ben Wallace-Wells pointed out, "at every point, crucially, Papadopoulos loops in his superiors—immediate ones, distant ones, and at one point even the candidate himself."
The fact that Papadopoulos was apprising his superiors of all of his Russia-related correspondences will make it extremely difficult for the Trump campaign to distance itself from his efforts to set up a meeting with high-level Russian officials.
Papadopoulos told a high-ranking campaign official, likely Manafort, in May that "Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss."
The special counsel's filing indicates that the official forwarded Papadopoulos' email to another campaign official and wrote: "Let's discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."
William Yeomans, a former deputy assistant attorney general who spent 26 years at the Justice Department, agreed that the Papodopolous guilty plea seemed "very significant."
"As I understand it, he lied about his contact — while he was with the campaign — with a professor with ties to the Russian government," Yeomans said on Monday. "That brings campaign collusion into play. It's early. There will undoubtedly be more to come."
The Papadopoulos filings revealed for the first time that someone on the Trump campaign was offered "dirt" on Hillary Clinton from Russia-linked foreign nationals as early as April 2016. The offering on Clinton to Papadopoulos, in this case, was in the form of "thousands of emails," disclosed to the young foreign policy adviser by a person identified as an "overseas professor."
The document suggests Papadopoulos had known that Russia was actively trying to undermine Clinton before virtually anyone else. News that the Democratic National Committee had been breached by Russia-linked hackers in late 2015 did not break until June 14, 2016.
On October 5, Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to federal agents. He now appears to be a cooperating witness in Mueller's investigation of potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
"The fact that his arrest was concealed for over three months also reminds us that we don’t know who else might also be cooperating with the investigation," Yeomans said.
He noted too that while the Manafort and Gates indictments don't implicate Trump directly they show that Mueller is "willing to examine financial dealings that occurred before the campaign and bring charges that are not directly related to collusion."
"That means that Trump's financial and business dealings are fair game," Yeomans said, "including possible money laundering — a chilling message to him."
ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/muel...pts-to-distance-himself-from-manafort-2017-10
FUCK CHUMP!
STILL MY COUNTRY AND THE 52% MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE ASSHOLE
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you know if he has to testify in front of the FBI...he will go to jail just for lying!
he did it again today!
he announced that popdop was just a nothing in the campaign and etc....but they already have emails stating otherwise...this fish may be to big to fry....but I think he is starting to feel the heat!
they may not prove he talked to anyone...but records already show he was briefed!
funny 2 republicans are still defending him...all the rest....mum!
