TAKE THE POLL: HOW LONG BEFORE TRUMP GETS IMPEACHED

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It's sad that there are millions of Americans affected not getting health care but Obamacare may prove to be more expensive that what you may anticipate

part of that is the republicans doing all they can... and have done over a year now... to insure it does fail!
you sound just like a republican now..... the ACA had one purpose... to give more people access to insurance and it did that... it does need work... and always has.... but over the past couple years the right has gone out of their way to make sure it doesn't work

but like most people on the right.... you see a little hole in the argument and switch it to something else... I was talking about all Trumps corruption!

 

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part of that is the republicans doing all they can... and have done over a year now... to insure it does fail!
you sound just like a republican now..... the ACA had one purpose... to give more people access to insurance and it did that... it does need work... and always has.... but over the past couple years the right has gone out of their way to make sure it doesn't work

but like most people on the right.... you see a little hole in the argument and switch it to something else... I was talking about all Trumps corruption!

We greatly disagree with ALL things Trump so to remain civil I was just focusing on Obamacare. We finally became friendly @subhub174014 I don't want to fuck that up.

 

[subhub174014]

We greatly disagree with ALL things Trump so to remain civil I was just focusing on Obamacare.

I know.... but I am a fan of the ACA
it was designed to do one thing...... give more people health insurance... and it did!
the right has been steadily picking away at it since.... it wasn't perfect to start with and is no where as bad as the right would have you believe now...... several easy fixes.... but the right just can not stand to have something in place with Obama's name on it.... and that is all it is!

 

[subhub174014]

Comey's testimony should start the fire for the pig roast!

 

[STIFFBBC]

part of that is the republicans doing all they can... and have done over a year now... to insure it does fail!
you sound just like a republican now..... the ACA had one purpose... to give more people access to insurance and it did that... it does need work... and always has.... but over the past couple years the right has gone out of their way to make sure it doesn't work

but like most people on the right.... you see a little hole in the argument and switch it to something else... I was talking about all Trumps corruption!

With regard to Trump's alleged corruption being a Canadian, living in Canada, not having a dual citizen status to have a right to vote in an American election my words obviously have little sway with this audience especially as a lay person looking at how things are moving in America.

However, would you believe the words of a fellow American? Who is a Liberal who voted for Hillary? To boot, if he is a professor of law at Harvard? If such a man said that Trump is innocent would you believe him? The man I cite is Alan Dershowitz and here is what he said on Fox news:

( http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...heories-and-nearly-leaves-carlson-speechless/ )

 

[subhub174014]

If such a man said that Trump is innocent would you believe him?

that's the point.... everyone is innocent until proven guilty
BUT there is an awful lot leaning towards the guilty!
for someone so innocent he sure is doing all he can to lie ..hide... and cover up as much as possible to include firing 3 people involved in the investigation.... and a man the recused himself from the investigation was involved in the firing of one.. maybe 2...and is involved in appointing the next man to do the investigation..... a ******* in law... who is doing everything for trump... making meetings with... on and on

 

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that's the point.... everyone is innocent until proven guilty
BUT there is an awful lot leaning towards the guilty!
for someone so innocent he sure is doing all he can to lie ..hide... and cover up as much as possible to include firing 3 people involved in the investigation.... and a man the recused himself from the investigation was involved in the firing of one.. maybe 2...and is involved in appointing the next man to do the investigation..... a ******* in law... who is doing everything for trump... making meetings with... on and on

With what Dershowitz is saying, and quite possibly with what Mueller might also defend Trump with after he does his analysis, it may be the beginning of the end of arguments against Trump being POTUS and the pendulum can finally swing in the favor of Trump for a change so he can do his job in peace.

 

[subhub174014]

Mueller might also defend Trump with after he does his analysis, it may be the beginning of the end of arguments against Trump being POTUS and the pendulum can finally swing in the favor of Trump for a change so he can do his job in peace.

Dream on!

 

[subhub174014]

pendulum can finally swing

yes.... knocking the dictator to the ground!

 

[STIFFBBC]

Dream on!

It might not be such a dream if Dershowitz, a Harvard law professor, who is even a Liberal like yourself where he even voted for Hillary, believes that Trump committed no crimes and he is defending him. Your war, @bigblackbull76's war, and possibly @MacNfries's war is with him and not me. And should Mueller back up Dershowitz ( even as Dershowitz suggests from his interview ) your collective wars are with him too.

( https://www.blacktowhite.net/thread...ump-gets-impeached.92341/page-25#post-1407872 )

 

[subhub174014]

Obama did nothing for this country. Except stay on his knees for Irasel.

have to disagree on that.... they did not get along that well... if you remember right even for Obama's re-election they were campaigning for Romney!

 

[subhub174014]

Will Trump Be Impeached or Resign? As Support for His Removal Soars, Approval Rating Plunges

Support for the idea of impeaching President Donald Trump increased to 43 percent from 38 percent among U.S. voters in a Politico/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday, after his return from his first trip abroad since winning the White House.

Meanwhile, the president's approval rating is hovering just under 40 percent, according to FiveThiryEight, after taking a plunge amid new developments in an ongoing federal investigation into his campaign and administration's possible ties to the Kremlin. Even the latest right-leaning polls show Trump's approval rating sinking to 44 percent from 48 percent last week, according to a Rasmussen Reports index released Tuesday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeached-resign-support-removal-150355782.html

 

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[subhub174014]

Your war, @bigblackbull76's war, and possibly @MacNfries's war is with him and not me.

wrong.... you are the one defending Chester the molester..... the liar.... the pervert.... the commie... haven't you noticed lately on this board there are very few defending the man..... matter of fact here lately it's only you!
just takes some longer to see the light!

yes there are a couple on here that will defend everything he does.... just like a true republican.... but they are
programmed to defend anything the right does
there might be a few around that still hope and believe in him..... but with all the ******* stacking up against him right now ... just to embarrassed to stand up for him

the man just does not have a morale... honest....caring bone in his body..... the most corrupt politician to ever be elected!

 

[BigBlackBull76]

With regard to Trump's alleged corruption being a Canadian, living in Canada, not having a dual citizen status to have a right to vote in an American election my words obviously have little sway with this audience especially as a lay person looking at how things are moving in America.

However, would you believe the words of a fellow American? Who is a Liberal who voted for Hillary? To boot, if he is a professor of law at Harvard? If such a man said that Trump is innocent would you believe him? The man I cite is Alan Dershowitz and here is what he said on Fox news:

( http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...heories-and-nearly-leaves-carlson-speechless/ )

This is dumb. Obstruction of justice, conspiring with a foreign government for personal profit and gain which is treasonous especially in a political position, and collusion. There are three '3' clear crimes, its simple. Now good night to both of you and you may go back to sleep whoever that idiot is Fox news dug up.

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What is obstruction of justice?

Several federal statutes criminalize actions that impede official investigations. While some examples of illegal ways to thwart the justice system are specific — like killing a witness or destroying evidence — the law also includes broad, catchall prohibitions. For example, Section 1512 of Title 18 makes it a crime if someone corruptly “obstructs, influences or impedes any official proceeding,” even if the proceeding was not yet pending at the time of the act. A conviction under that provision can be punished by up to 20 years in prison.

Could that cover firing the F.B.I. director?

In theory. Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Duke University, said statutes like Section 1512 were “drafted broadly to cover all possible means of obstruction of justice,” because there are so many ways to thwart the legal system. So in theory, he said, firing an investigator could fit. But there would be significant practical obstacles to bringing such a case.

Did Mr. Trump have lawful authority to fire Mr. Comey?

Yes. But courts have ruled that otherwise lawful acts can constitute obstruction of justice if done with corrupt intentions. Mr. Buell pointed to a 1998 case in which a federal appeals court upheld the conviction of a lawyer who had filed legal complaints and related motions against a government agent who was investigating an illegal gambling operation. The court ruled that the defendant’s “nominally litigation-related conduct” was unlawful because his real motive was “to safeguard his personal financial interest” in the corrupt enterprise.

Continue reading the main story

Would there be impediments to charging Mr. Trump?

Yes, and not just that the Justice Department reports to Mr. Trump and is therefore unlikely to prosecute him for anything.

Obstruction of justice cases often come down to whether prosecutors can prove what a defendant’s mental state was when he or she committed the act, legal specialists said. It is not enough to show that a defendant knew the act would have a side consequence of impeding an investigation; achieving that obstruction has to have been the specific intention.

Mr. Trump told NBC he had been thinking about the Russia investigation, which he called a “made-up story” that “should have been over with a long time ago,” when he decided to fire Mr. Comey. But he also said he wanted the investigation to be “done properly” and suggested the firing might prolong it.

Defense lawyers could raise arguments in an attempt to create reasonable doubt about Mr. Trump’s motivation for firing Mr. Comey. For one thing, they could point to the alternative stories or purported motives the White House has described. Mr. Trump, for example, has said he acted because he thought the bureau was in “turmoil” under Mr. Comey, whom he called a “grandstander.” The White House also initially put forward a memo by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, who criticized Mr. Comey’s handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation — although Mr. Trump said on Thursday that he had already decided to fire Mr. Comey before consulting Mr. Rosenstein.

“To prove that he did it not because Comey was grandstanding or showboating or all the other excuses he has given, but because he wanted to impede the investigation, that would be awfully hard to prove,” said Alex Whiting, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Harvard Law School.

What about impeachment?

Both American presidents who were subjected to impeachment proceedings in the last century — Bill Clinton in 1998 and Richard Nixon in 1974 — were accused of obstruction of justice.

While it can be a murky task in court to interpret the obstruction statutes, said David Sklansky, a former federal prosecutor who teaches at Stanford University, impeachment proceedings are different. They are a “quasi-judicial, quasi-political process,” he noted; the House and Senate determine for themselves whether the standards are met.

ref: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/obstruction-of-justice-fbi.html?_r=0

10 Ways Trump Broke the Law and Got Away with It

Trump launched his campaign with fraud, as the Trump Tower crowd that interrupted him 43 times with applause on June 16, 2015, consisted of actors paid fifty bucks apiece,” David Cay Johnston, an investigative reporter who has covered Trump since the 1980s and is the author of The Making of Donald Trump, wrote earlier this week. “For his whole life, Trump has cheated workers, shortchanges small business owners and ripped off investors, as courts have determined in some of the 4,500 Trump lawsuits.”

Here are 10 examples of Trump’s borderline or admitted criminality, all taken from The Making of Donald Trump, a book with 44 pages of source notes, and subsequent articles and interviews with Johnston.

1. Boasts of sexually assaulting women. As almost everyone in America knows, Trump was caught boasting on videotape about imposing himself sexually on women, including the felony of grabbing their genitals. While he tried to dismiss his remarks as mere locker room bragging, a dozen women came forward to accuse him of improper behavior or sexual assault. Trump predictably accused all of them of lying and working for Clinton, and threatened to sue them all after the election. However, what Trump bragged about, and what the women said he did, is against the law.

2. Used illegal immigrants and mob to build Trump Tower. Trump’s borderline relationship with the law goes back decades. Before his signature building in New York City, Trump Tower, could be built, he had to demolish a department store. Trump used 200 undocumented Polish migrants who did not follow construction safety codes and were paid “off the books,” a federal court later held. He then built an all-concrete building, which cut some costs associated with a steel-based tower, using “ready-mix from a company called S&A Concrete. Mafia chieftains Anthony ‘Fat Tony’ Salerno and Paul Castellano secretly owned the firm,” Johnston wrote.

3. Caught Illegally not paying sales taxes. Some of Trump’s other brushes with the law are just dumb, unless he’s not as rich as he says he is or just likes to flirt with borderline behavior. In the mid-'80s, New York State’s attorney general listed Trump among 200 other wealthy people who bought pricey gems at a Manhattan jeweler and had the store put an out-of-state address on the receipt to avoid paying sales tax. Ed Koch, the mayor of New York at the time, said Trump should have spent 15 days in jail. Had Trump been convicted of tax fraud, Johnston wrote, he likely would have lost his New Jersey casino licenses.

4. More evidence of federal income tax fraud. In what can only be described as a bizarre series of events, Trump’s lawyer and accountant Jack Mitnick testified under oath that while he signed Trump’s 1984 federal tax return, neither he nor his firm had prepared it. “That same return showed $0 business consulting income and more than $600,000 of expenses for which no receipts were produced, also strong evidence of fraud,” Johnston wrote. During the presidential campaign, Trump has refused to release his taxes, saying he is being audited by the IRS, “but [he] will not even release the form letter proving an audit.”

5. Claiming $916 million in tax losses, but not paying bills. When the New York Times broke the story that Trump claimed $916 million in real estate losses in 1995, most of the focus was on how it allowed him to avoid federal taxes for years on income adding up to that figure. But there is another dimension to that move, which Johnston described in a Daily Beast piece: Those losses enabled Trump to tell bankruptcy courts he didn’t have the money to fully pay an army of contractors and small businesses. “Trump claimed to be worth billions in the 1990s, just as he now does, yet he could not pay his bills,” Johnston wrote. “He stiffed hundreds of small-business suppliers, including those for the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which will go out of business [in mid-October].”

6. Trump University was another massive con job. To start, Trump broke the laws of several states that only allowed an authorized institution to be called a university. Then Trump lied when he said he would personally pick the faculty, but when deposed under oath after being sued, admitted he had no idea who the faculty were. Johnston wrote, “His ‘faculty’ stood over students helping them take on all the credit card debt banks would give them to pay tuition and other fees to Trump U., leaving them with no capacity to invest in real estate.”

7. Paying off prosecutors via political donations to avoid charges. When former Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott investigated Trump University, he found its teaching “worthless” and encouraging “illegal” actions, Johnston wrote. “The Texas attorney general’s lawyers concluded that if sued by the state, Trump would have no legal defenses to civil fraud charges.” Abbott did not sue, but later got a $35,000 campaign contribution from Trump. Much the same storyline unfolded in Florida, where Attorney General Pam Bondi declined to take action after receiving many complaints and Trump’s foundation illegally donated $25,000 to her re-election campaign. Tax-exempt charities aren’t allowed to contribute to political campaigns.

8. Using his foundation for other illegal expenses. Johnston writes, “At least nine times, Trump made illegal use of Trump Foundation money including paying personal debts, legal obligations and buying two paintings of himself; he also illegally solicited money (he recently stopped) and did not provide audited financial statements as required by state law.”

9. A lifetime of hiding behind secret settlements when sued. Trump has been sued 4,500 times and has a history of dragging out cases until the other side quits, or reaching a settlement in which those suing are sworn to secrecy before getting paid. As Johnston told AlterNet after his book came out, “His skill at shutting down law enforcement investigations—I cite those four grand juries, etc.—is extraordinary. He knows when to run to the cops and rat out people, or tell them information that will help them. He knows how to use the court system to cover up what he’s done by making a settlement on the condition that the record be sealed. And he’s masterful at this.”

10. Doing business with other known criminals. Over his career, Trump has done business with people with serious criminal records. Some were involved in deals, like “a violent convicted felon and swindler, named Felix Sater, who was helping Trump make two major development deals in Denver” a decade ago, Johnston wrote. “Trump wildly overpaid two mob hitmen known as ‘The Young Executioners’ for a tiny plot of New Jersey land,” he said in another example.

Then there's convicted ******* smuggler Joseph Weichselbaum, whose helicopter service flew gamblers to Trump’s New Jersey casino, a business relationship that put his casino license at risk. When Weichselbaum, who also lived at Trump Towers, faced additional charges, Trump wrote to the judge seeking leniency. After New Jersey regulators discovered the letter, which Trump initially denied writing, they investigated but did not “raise deeper issues about Trump’s fitness to hold a license,” Johnston wrote. More recently, he has also worked with “a convicted art thief…as well as the ******* of a Russian mob boss, a man with a violent history—and there’s a video to prove it.”

ref: http://www.alternet.org/election-20...-it-putting-latest-clinton-email-media-frenzy

Now on to bigger & better news. Oh Covfefe Sir Idiot in Chief.
​

EVEN LUKE SKYWALKER GOT IN ON THE FUN...


And even better - the 'Covfefe' from Melania- translation -Go FUK yourself Trump.

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[STIFFBBC]

This is dumb. Obstruction of justice, conspiring with a foreign government for personal profit and gain which is treasonous especially in a political position, and collusion. There are three '3' clear crimes, its simple. Now good night to both of you and you may go back to sleep whoever that idiot is Fox news dug up.

​

What is obstruction of justice?

Several federal statutes criminalize actions that impede official investigations. While some examples of illegal ways to thwart the justice system are specific — like killing a witness or destroying evidence — the law also includes broad, catchall prohibitions. For example, Section 1512 of Title 18 makes it a crime if someone corruptly “obstructs, influences or impedes any official proceeding,” even if the proceeding was not yet pending at the time of the act. A conviction under that provision can be punished by up to 20 years in prison.

Could that cover firing the F.B.I. director?

In theory. Samuel Buell, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Duke University, said statutes like Section 1512 were “drafted broadly to cover all possible means of obstruction of justice,” because there are so many ways to thwart the legal system. So in theory, he said, firing an investigator could fit. But there would be significant practical obstacles to bringing such a case.

Did Mr. Trump have lawful authority to fire Mr. Comey?

Yes. But courts have ruled that otherwise lawful acts can constitute obstruction of justice if done with corrupt intentions. Mr. Buell pointed to a 1998 case in which a federal appeals court upheld the conviction of a lawyer who had filed legal complaints and related motions against a government agent who was investigating an illegal gambling operation. The court ruled that the defendant’s “nominally litigation-related conduct” was unlawful because his real motive was “to safeguard his personal financial interest” in the corrupt enterprise.

Continue reading the main story

Would there be impediments to charging Mr. Trump?

Yes, and not just that the Justice Department reports to Mr. Trump and is therefore unlikely to prosecute him for anything.

Obstruction of justice cases often come down to whether prosecutors can prove what a defendant’s mental state was when he or she committed the act, legal specialists said. It is not enough to show that a defendant knew the act would have a side consequence of impeding an investigation; achieving that obstruction has to have been the specific intention.

Mr. Trump told NBC he had been thinking about the Russia investigation, which he called a “made-up story” that “should have been over with a long time ago,” when he decided to fire Mr. Comey. But he also said he wanted the investigation to be “done properly” and suggested the firing might prolong it.

Defense lawyers could raise arguments in an attempt to create reasonable doubt about Mr. Trump’s motivation for firing Mr. Comey. For one thing, they could point to the alternative stories or purported motives the White House has described. Mr. Trump, for example, has said he acted because he thought the bureau was in “turmoil” under Mr. Comey, whom he called a “grandstander.” The White House also initially put forward a memo by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, who criticized Mr. Comey’s handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation — although Mr. Trump said on Thursday that he had already decided to fire Mr. Comey before consulting Mr. Rosenstein.

“To prove that he did it not because Comey was grandstanding or showboating or all the other excuses he has given, but because he wanted to impede the investigation, that would be awfully hard to prove,” said Alex Whiting, a former federal prosecutor who now teaches criminal law at Harvard Law School.

What about impeachment?

Both American presidents who were subjected to impeachment proceedings in the last century — Bill Clinton in 1998 and Richard Nixon in 1974 — were accused of obstruction of justice.

While it can be a murky task in court to interpret the obstruction statutes, said David Sklansky, a former federal prosecutor who teaches at Stanford University, impeachment proceedings are different. They are a “quasi-judicial, quasi-political process,” he noted; the House and Senate determine for themselves whether the standards are met.

ref: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/obstruction-of-justice-fbi.html?_r=0

10 Ways Trump Broke the Law and Got Away with It

Trump launched his campaign with fraud, as the Trump Tower crowd that interrupted him 43 times with applause on June 16, 2015, consisted of actors paid fifty bucks apiece,” David Cay Johnston, an investigative reporter who has covered Trump since the 1980s and is the author of The Making of Donald Trump, wrote earlier this week. “For his whole life, Trump has cheated workers, shortchanges small business owners and ripped off investors, as courts have determined in some of the 4,500 Trump lawsuits.”

Here are 10 examples of Trump’s borderline or admitted criminality, all taken from The Making of Donald Trump, a book with 44 pages of source notes, and subsequent articles and interviews with Johnston.

1. Boasts of sexually assaulting women. As almost everyone in America knows, Trump was caught boasting on videotape about imposing himself sexually on women, including the felony of grabbing their genitals. While he tried to dismiss his remarks as mere locker room bragging, a dozen women came forward to accuse him of improper behavior or sexual assault. Trump predictably accused all of them of lying and working for Clinton, and threatened to sue them all after the election. However, what Trump bragged about, and what the women said he did, is against the law.

2. Used illegal immigrants and mob to build Trump Tower. Trump’s borderline relationship with the law goes back decades. Before his signature building in New York City, Trump Tower, could be built, he had to demolish a department store. Trump used 200 undocumented Polish migrants who did not follow construction safety codes and were paid “off the books,” a federal court later held. He then built an all-concrete building, which cut some costs associated with a steel-based tower, using “ready-mix from a company called S&A Concrete. Mafia chieftains Anthony ‘Fat Tony’ Salerno and Paul Castellano secretly owned the firm,” Johnston wrote.

3. Caught Illegally not paying sales taxes. Some of Trump’s other brushes with the law are just dumb, unless he’s not as rich as he says he is or just likes to flirt with borderline behavior. In the mid-'80s, New York State’s attorney general listed Trump among 200 other wealthy people who bought pricey gems at a Manhattan jeweler and had the store put an out-of-state address on the receipt to avoid paying sales tax. Ed Koch, the mayor of New York at the time, said Trump should have spent 15 days in jail. Had Trump been convicted of tax fraud, Johnston wrote, he likely would have lost his New Jersey casino licenses.

4. More evidence of federal income tax fraud. In what can only be described as a bizarre series of events, Trump’s lawyer and accountant Jack Mitnick testified under oath that while he signed Trump’s 1984 federal tax return, neither he nor his firm had prepared it. “That same return showed $0 business consulting income and more than $600,000 of expenses for which no receipts were produced, also strong evidence of fraud,” Johnston wrote. During the presidential campaign, Trump has refused to release his taxes, saying he is being audited by the IRS, “but [he] will not even release the form letter proving an audit.”

5. Claiming $916 million in tax losses, but not paying bills. When the New York Times broke the story that Trump claimed $916 million in real estate losses in 1995, most of the focus was on how it allowed him to avoid federal taxes for years on income adding up to that figure. But there is another dimension to that move, which Johnston described in a Daily Beast piece: Those losses enabled Trump to tell bankruptcy courts he didn’t have the money to fully pay an army of contractors and small businesses. “Trump claimed to be worth billions in the 1990s, just as he now does, yet he could not pay his bills,” Johnston wrote. “He stiffed hundreds of small-business suppliers, including those for the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, which will go out of business [in mid-October].”

6. Trump University was another massive con job. To start, Trump broke the laws of several states that only allowed an authorized institution to be called a university. Then Trump lied when he said he would personally pick the faculty, but when deposed under oath after being sued, admitted he had no idea who the faculty were. Johnston wrote, “His ‘faculty’ stood over students helping them take on all the credit card debt banks would give them to pay tuition and other fees to Trump U., leaving them with no capacity to invest in real estate.”

7. Paying off prosecutors via political donations to avoid charges. When former Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott investigated Trump University, he found its teaching “worthless” and encouraging “illegal” actions, Johnston wrote. “The Texas attorney general’s lawyers concluded that if sued by the state, Trump would have no legal defenses to civil fraud charges.” Abbott did not sue, but later got a $35,000 campaign contribution from Trump. Much the same storyline unfolded in Florida, where Attorney General Pam Bondi declined to take action after receiving many complaints and Trump’s foundation illegally donated $25,000 to her re-election campaign. Tax-exempt charities aren’t allowed to contribute to political campaigns.

8. Using his foundation for other illegal expenses. Johnston writes, “At least nine times, Trump made illegal use of Trump Foundation money including paying personal debts, legal obligations and buying two paintings of himself; he also illegally solicited money (he recently stopped) and did not provide audited financial statements as required by state law.”

9. A lifetime of hiding behind secret settlements when sued. Trump has been sued 4,500 times and has a history of dragging out cases until the other side quits, or reaching a settlement in which those suing are sworn to secrecy before getting paid. As Johnston told AlterNet after his book came out, “His skill at shutting down law enforcement investigations—I cite those four grand juries, etc.—is extraordinary. He knows when to run to the cops and rat out people, or tell them information that will help them. He knows how to use the court system to cover up what he’s done by making a settlement on the condition that the record be sealed. And he’s masterful at this.”

10. Doing business with other known criminals. Over his career, Trump has done business with people with serious criminal records. Some were involved in deals, like “a violent convicted felon and swindler, named Felix Sater, who was helping Trump make two major development deals in Denver” a decade ago, Johnston wrote. “Trump wildly overpaid two mob hitmen known as ‘The Young Executioners’ for a tiny plot of New Jersey land,” he said in another example.

Then there's convicted ******* smuggler Joseph Weichselbaum, whose helicopter service flew gamblers to Trump’s New Jersey casino, a business relationship that put his casino license at risk. When Weichselbaum, who also lived at Trump Towers, faced additional charges, Trump wrote to the judge seeking leniency. After New Jersey regulators discovered the letter, which Trump initially denied writing, they investigated but did not “raise deeper issues about Trump’s fitness to hold a license,” Johnston wrote. More recently, he has also worked with “a convicted art thief…as well as the ******* of a Russian mob boss, a man with a violent history—and there’s a video to prove it.”

ref: http://www.alternet.org/election-20...-it-putting-latest-clinton-email-media-frenzy

Now on to bigger & better news. Oh Covfefe Sir Idiot in Chief.
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And even better - the 'Covfefe' from Melania- translation -Go FUK yourself Trump.

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We'll just have to see how this turns out. I just wanted to submit that bit of evidence earlier to illustrate my view that no one else appeared to bring up in Trump's defense. If history proves me wrong about Trump at least a Democratic Harvard law professor would be on my side and maybe even Mueller too down the road.
( https://www.blacktowhite.net/thread...ump-gets-impeached.92341/page-25#post-1407872 )

 

[subhub174014]

one else appeared to bring up in Trump's defense.

you do realize that a week or so ago even you had doubts...... and now you seem to be back to being a strong supporter.... what turned you back around?

you must not have read all those facts I posted about him...???????

 

[STIFFBBC]

you do realize that a week or so ago even you had doubts...... and now you seem to be back to being a strong supporter.... what turned you back around?

you must not have read all those facts I posted about him...???????

I did and I confess that but hearing what Dershowitz said makes me want to double down on Trump unless someone can face off with him and prove Dershowitz incorrect. He said even if everything about Russia is true, it is not a crime. He added that the most embarrassing thing that could happen to him would be that Flynn would be indicted, but Trump could always pardon him after the fact. But you don't have to take it from me you can watch it for yourself or read it for yourself:

( https://www.blacktowhite.net/thread...ump-gets-impeached.92341/page-25#post-1407872 )

 

[MacNfries]

Your war, @bigblackbull76's war, and possibly @MacNfries's war is with him and not me.

I'm not sure WHY you keep insisting that there's something going on between you and me, STIFF, but for the umpteenth time I have NO WAR, NO ILL WISHES, NO NOTHING towards you, OK? comprede'? WHAT is your frik'n problem ... are you WANTING something to be going on between us?
Knock that ******* off! I don't have time for you right now ... moving into a new house, working my ass off at work because of TRUMPCARE tensions ... I don't NEED YOUR *******, ok? So bug someone else ... maybe one of the Bobbleheads! or possibly go BACK on your medications, unless its your way of begging for forum attention.

 

[STIFFBBC]

I'm not sure WHY you keep insisting that there's something going on between you and me, STIFF, but for the umpteenth time I have NO WAR, NO ILL WISHES, NO NOTHING towards you, OK? comprede'? WHAT is your frik'n problem ... are you WANTING something to be going on between us?
Knock that ******* off! I don't have time for you right now ... moving into a new house, working my ass off at work because of TRUMPCARE tensions ... I don't NEED YOU *******, ok? So bug someone else ... maybe one of the Bobbleheads!

My bad. Ok the term "war" is a poor choice of word as I consider myself friendly with you, instead I should have used the word "controversy", or perhaps "debate". Nice to see you are still around by the way. And good luck with the new house.