Yes, I think you are right. Thanks for pointing that out.
No problem. It happens a lot here, things getting lost in translation and context, because of language differences.
Yes, I think you are right. Thanks for pointing that out.
For a number of years I have wondered how we have managed to elect the low quality leadership we have suffered. Over that last few years years I have come to realize most people are imbued with one party or anothers dogma and blindly follow it as Gospel. The Tea Party adherents and the far left liberals seem to care little about what the facts are. If you disagree you are simply branded a fool or are best "That's your opinion" and then dismissed. I seriously doubt either party has the best interest of the American people at heart. Their respective dogmas are all that matters to themSo let me get this straight- communism isn't/wasn't communism because it didn't turn out exactly the way Marx and Engels drew it up? Brilliant, spoken like a true fellow traveler.
Here's some food for though oh all knowing one, since you seem to think that conservatives like myself are incapable of forming coherent thoughts. Did you ever think that the things that you consider un-communist- establishment of dictatorships and suppression of the population- are the logical outcomes of the system they drew up? And that since every communist country that has ever existed has followed the exact same model, thay maybe Marx and Engels, and Lenin, Stalin,Trotsky, Bukharin, Mao, and all the others were completely full of *******? Of course not, because you betrayed yourself with the "that wasn't really communism because they got it wrong" comment. I've spoken to enough people who buy into this stuff, and when you corner them with the facts, it's always "it would have worked, and it can work if only it were applied properly. "
So if you want to continue to insist that communism isn't/ wasn't communism, I'm sure the hundreds of millions of people in the former Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, China, North Korea, Cambodia, Cuba, and other places who had to die for these butchers to try and deny human realities by forsing a square peg through a round hole would beg to differ.
Problems with translation are a minor price to pay for the diversity of thought here. It seems quite by accident an international forum of thought has been created.No problem. It happens a lot here, things getting lost in translation and context, because of language differences.
Since English isn't your native tongue, I'm assuming that there is a bit of a misunderstanding, but what do communism and "ecological" have to do with each other?
BM, I think he meant economic.Since English isn't your native tongue, I'm assuming that there is a bit of a misunderstanding, but what do communism and "ecological" have to do with each other?
No, no, no! I said "Back to the Nature"! I did NOT said about "distribution of resources"=economy.BM, I think he meant economic.
.... that the United States experienced massive growth in the post Civil War to World War ! period. There really has been nothing like it since and there was virtually no government involvement. Maybe there is a message to be understood here.
Do you know how bad the underclass had it until the defense buildup prior to the 2nd world war? If anything how we industrialized, it proved we do need govt controls for the excesses. Too much control is bad. Not enough control is just as bad.
What's the big surprise about the economic growth of the US after the Civil War for pete's sake? No one or ever two or three things can be accredited towards the rapid growth that took place after the Civil War; it was a tsunami of events that took place. Our nation was still growing territory back then, big time ... you had war reconstruction going on, the expansion of the railroad and the nation west, freed slaves that were now earning incomes and being elected to government offices, large corporations were starting to form, like Standard Oil, and the automobile being made ... the list is long, very long. People were making things because thy needed to be made. It will probably never happen again like that.
Im strictly talking about the working poor from 1870 to 1938.
Their is no intellectually honest way to apply the conditions of the poor today and what was normal back then.
I will be happy to do tomorrow. Im on my phone right now and it restricts for what I want to type.Why not, economists and historians do it.
Two of my last three audio books were on the assassinations of McKinley and Garfield. I love that period of time to study. The audiobook i just finished was about the infamous whore houses in South Chicago and how it gave birth to the Mann Act. If you want to know the title, drp me line.
Have either of you obviously intelligent gents read "The Jungle"?
Hell yeah!!!!! Damn guy, you're with it! I give you a salute.I think I've read it, Sin in the Second City by Karen Abbott?