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Well, it certainly wasn't FAKE NEWS ... they have photos of her wearing her stilettos ... ohhhh wait ... they FAKED the photos ... right?
Everything is FAKE that doesn't agree with the right ... it wasn't FAKE but maybe a bit sarcastic ... well, ok, greatly SARCASTIC, but then who deserves bad press more than someone who colludes with the Russians and lies for 7 straight years about Obama's birth certificate? I call it KARMA!
 
Well, it certainly wasn't FAKE NEWS ... they have photos of her wearing her stilettos ... ohhhh wait ... they FAKED the photos ... right?

Read the article - the photos are BEFORE she got on the plane.

More BS.
President George W. Bush was heavily criticized in 2005 after he flew over the destruction from Hurricane Katrina, with many saying he was detached from what was happening on the ground.

In 2016, President Obama was criticized for not ending his vacation on Martha’s Vineyard to visit areas of Louisiana hit by floods.

People just need something to bitch about. Just because someone doesn't do exactly what YOU would do, does not mean they "don't get it" or they are "out of touch".
 
re: In 2016, President Obama was criticized for not ending his vacation on Martha’s Vineyard to visit areas of Louisiana hit by floods.

You'll recall that the Governor of Louisiana specifically told President Obama to wait a week before coming down because his being there pulled their teams like police away from the true emergency + added a lot of traffic they didn't need (secret service, etc) during the first few days of that flood. Recall that? Or does it really matter? ahhh noooo ... its Obama ... anything goes when its Obama ... LOL!
 
People just need something to bitch about. Just because someone doesn't do exactly what YOU would do, does not mean they "don't get it" or they are "out of touch".
Yeah, it really IS petty *******, but ya know ... you righties can see just how PETTY it really is when its being dished out at your guys. Obama put up with it for 8 years and you guys didn't say it was PETTY ... you ADDED your own sarcasm to it.
As far as "don't get it" and "Out of Touch" .... the TRUMPS truly DO NOT GET IT!
 
re: In 2016, President Obama was criticized for not ending his vacation on Martha’s Vineyard to visit areas of Louisiana hit by floods.

You'll recall that the Governor of Louisiana specifically told President Obama to wait a week before coming down because his being there pulled their teams like police away from the true emergency + added a lot of traffic they didn't need (secret service, etc) during the first few days of that flood. Recall that? Or does it really matter? ahhh noooo ... its Obama ... anything goes when its Obama ... LOL!

You just want to start an argument don't you.
That was a quote from the same article you should have read and you are taking it way out of context - I copied the critics from both Bush and Obama as an example of how people JUST LIKE YOU like to BITCH simply because someone didn't do you THINK they should do. I could care less if the POTUS shows up at all.
 
These, and other critical issues of the day. Meanwhile, back in the real world, instead of fighting the man, some of us are growing the economy, and being vilified for it. Rich. Racist. Haters. Like myself At least that's what I seem to be classified as when I watch tv and read message boards.


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These, and other critical issues of the day. Meanwhile, back in the real world, instead of fighting the man, some of us are growing the economy, and being vilified for it. Rich. Racist. Haters. Like myself At least that's what I seem to be classified as when I watch tv and read message boards.

It's called "Envy".

Envy is an emotion which "occurs when a person lacks another's superior quality, achievement, or possession and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked it". Bertrand Russell said that envy was one of the most potent causes of unhappiness. Not only is the envious person rendered unhappy by his or her envy, Russell explained, but that person also wishes to inflict misfortune on others. Although envy is generally seen as something negative, Russell also believed that envy was a driving ******* behind the movement towards democracy and must be endured to achieve a more just social system.
In other words - If I can't have what you have, then I will pass laws to take yours.
 
It's called "Envy".

that's not entirely true!

the richest country in the world... isn't that the tag we used to have?
check the stats now..... we still have the money... but also..where do we fit in on homeless?...education? ( we used to lead the world there)...health care...pay... I could go on...
yes we should be real proud....and yes it's all envy...
what was the article I posted a while back.. 1 in 5 children in this country go hungry?

envy?.... what happened to pride?
maybe even guilt!

it's all been replaced with greed!

they complain they can't get qualified workers.... and yet look at what we have done to our education system
they cry workers aren't loyal or dedicated... and yet look how they are paid and given benefits....
they claim some are over paid... and yet look at the pay of german workers or other countries
I could go on and on... but again it all boils down to greed

is it really envy if all most want is a meal and decent place to sleep for you and your family?
or to see your children have a chance at improving themselves?
 
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In other words - If I can't have what you have, then I will pass laws to take yours
That's bullshit, TwoBi ... all the poor & middleclass want is an equal voice in the fairness of government. If money didn't have such an influence on favorable legislation why is it that the likes of the Koch Brothers and other million & billionaires are so willing to spend billions influencing legislation that gives THEM the advantage? Even THEY have admitted that the tax system favors THEM. Thing is, the middleclass is the one who is noticeably disappearing as government returns time and again to them to fund their pet projects ... the poor don't have it, and the rich pay their accountants & lawyers to get around it ... the disappearing middleclass (which I consider myself a member) are the the ones being impacted.
....The way our government is headed, it may not be that much longer before we Britianize our people as well ... and are referred to as "just commoners" or "nobile". My wife & I consider ourselves fortunate and even blessed, not rich or well off ... and certainly no better than the people struggling to just keep a functional roof over their heads. The rich, like Trump, feel privileged.
 
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That's bullshit, TwoBi .
No, it's not. Show me ONE Democratic legislation that does not pay for itself by raising taxes (supposedly only on the rich, but that the middle class pay for) so it can be distributed among the poor, just one. Everything the Democrats purpose comes with a tax increase instead of spending control/cuts.

I agree with most of what you said there Mac, but you are looking at it from the wrong side. The Koch brothers or any other millionaire is not the problem. If the idiots in congress would refuse to take those bribes and payouts we wouldn't be having this conversation. Shame on the billionaires for wanting things their way, but it's a bigger shame on the government for selling out it's people. What you just described is not a right or left issue, and it's not a rich or poor issue either - it's an issue of a corrupt government. The Right wing wants to control all government through money and the left wing wants to control all the money through government. Sorry, but I don't think one is any better than the other. Either one enslaves it's people.

At least the Right gives us legislation that makes it possible for ANYONE to make their own millions. The Left wants to control that and soon they will be telling us who will work where and what profession you will be born into.
 
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No, it's not. Show me ONE Democratic legislation that does not pay for itself by raising taxes (supposedly only on the rich, but that the middle class pay for) so it can be distributed among the poor, just one. Everything the Democrats purpose comes with a tax increase instead of spending control/cuts.


well first there is one real good point you made and something the right NEVER does...and that is democratic legislation that pays for it's self!

second the right has robbed the poor so much...they have nothing else to give!.... I suppose you could put a lien on their children or indenture them.....and that seems to be what the right is working towards!
 
well first there is one real good point you made and something the right NEVER does...and that is democratic legislation that pays for it's self!

second the right has robbed the poor so much...they have nothing else to give!.... I suppose you could put a lien on their children or indenture them.....and that seems to be what the right is working towards!

You seem to have that backwards - The left ALWAYS TAKES to pay for it's BS policies, policies that KEEP YOU POOR and locked into a sub-servant class, The Democrats don't want you to succeed (It wouldn't be fair to others). It is the Democrats that are robbing the poor - who do you think PAYS when TAXES are RAISED. I'll give you hint - IT'S NOT THE RICH!!!!. The democrats way of thinking is to bring everyone down, lower the bar, so their is less failure. (back to the description of Envy)

Open your eyes. Less government, less hand outs - just give people Opportunity - remember? this was once the "land of Opportunity" now it is the land of Welfare. You obviously have not been exposed to society as I have.
 
The left ALWAYS TAKES to pay for it's BS policies, policies that KEEP YOU POOR and locked into a sub-servant class,

nd who created the deficit we now live under?

UOTE="TwoBiFour, post: 1501618, member: 43197"]Less government, less hand outs - just give people Opportunity - remember? this was once the "land of Opportunity" now it is the land of Welfare. You obviously have not been exposed to society as I have.[/QUOTE]

why is less government is Always less for those that are without anyway
why can't it be less for wal mart... or wall street... or big oil?

yes it was once the land of opportunity.... and just like the days of merry old England when the rich barrons like to keep their peasants down.... we need a Robin Hood!
actually I would settle for another "Ike" and his 92% tax rate!

I have worked hard for a living in some tough jobs....but I was lucky my wife made a good decision when we first got married and I had some breaks...but I still see/meet some of those I used to work with and are struggling to make ends meet...living paycheck to paycheck...... worried about medical bills and etc
take a job as a laborer sometime and see how the real world lives!

how's that old song go?...works hard for the money......
 
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why is less government is Always less for those that are without anyway
why can't it be less for wal mart... or wall street... or big oil?

That is also part of it, yes.

I have worked hard for a living in some tough jobs....but I was lucky my wife made a good decision when we first got married and I had some breaks...but I still see/meet some of those I used to work with and are struggling to make ends meet...living paycheck to paycheck...... worried about medical bills and etc
take a job as a laborer sometime and see how the real world lives!

And just think - YOU want to bring back the 92% tax rate - how do you think they would live pay check to pay check if they had to give back 92%? I wouldn't work if I had to pay 92% of what I earned to the government - NO ONE would.
I don't think you quite understand what that %rate was actually taxed on, here is some education for you.
https://mises.org/library/good-ol-days-when-tax-rates-were-90-percent

Here is a snipit.
However, what a tax rate is and what is actually paid are two very different things. Indeed, in 1955, the only people paying 90 percent (actually 91 percent) were those making over $3,425,766 when adjusted for inflation. And these are marginal rates, so they only paid that on any earnings above that threshold. [$3,425,766.00]

Today, there are seven tax brackets. In 1989, there were only two. In 1955, there were an utterly ridiculous twenty-four different tax brackets.

Very few people would actually pay that 92% rate, most of the governments income would still come from the middle class.
 
how do you think they would live pay check to pay check if they had to give back 92%?

the 92% was on biz.... either put it back into the economy... or pay uncle sam!

just food for thought... you do know it was Lincoln that started the tax to begin with... to pay for the war...3% on every family that made over $800 per year...it was later done away with... but the right liked the money and put it back in in the late 1800's
 
Trump warns Congress: Don't disappoint me on tax reform
Liz Goodwin 3 hours ago .

President Trump pushed Congress to pass a still-forming tax reform bill in his first speech on the topic in Missouri on Wednesday afternoon, warning Republican lawmakers not to disappoint him this time around.

“I don’t want to be disappointed by Congress, do you understand me?” Trump said, pointing into a crowd that included much of the state’s GOP congressional delegation. “Do you understand?”

“I think Congress is going to make a comeback,” the president added. “I hope so.”

Trump also directly called out Missouri’s Democratic senator, Claire McCaskill, who is facing a tough 2018 reelection bid in a state that voted solidly for Trump last year. The president said she must back the tax reform plan or face punishment at the ballot box.

“Your senator, Claire McCaskill, she must do this for you, and if she doesn’t do this for you, you have to vote her out of office,” Trump said. “She’s got to make that commitment.”

The president appeared far more comfortable talking about tax policy than health care reform, which he never gave a major speech about as Congress struggled and ultimately failed to repeal Obamacare. He also largely stuck to his prepared remarks, staying on message for the entire speech and refraining from criticizing any lawmakers from his own party by name. That marks a contrast from his many Twitter jabs at Republican senators over the past two weeks and his insult of Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., during a freewheeling campaign rally in Phoenix last week.


Many details of the future tax reform plan remain unclear, with congressional Republicans divided over the key issue of whether tax cuts need to be offset by spending cuts or other measures to maintain deficit neutrality. Trump didn’t mention offsets in the broad outlines of a tax plan Wednesday. His plan includes lowering the corporate tax rate from 40 percent to 15 percent, allowing corporations to bring back trillions of dollars from overseas, lowering tax rates for individuals and simplifying the tax code.

Trump made a populist pitch for his plan, saying the current tax code is “unfair” and privileges the wealthiest Americans, who can hire accountants to exploit loopholes. He suggested that his plan would be harder on wealthier people like himself. “Maybe we shouldn’t be doing this, you know?” Trump joked about the plan’s potential effect on his personal fortune. “But we’re doing the right thing.”

But tax policy experts say the White House’s plan so far would lower taxes for higher earners, according to Bloomberg, and Democrats are already calling it “Robin Hood in reverse.”

Mark Meckler, the president of Citizens for Self Governance and a co-founder of the Tea Party, said he believed Trump was right to put the “burden” on Congress when it comes to tax reform. He added that he hopes the president and Congress come around to making the plan deficit-neutral. “If they’re going to issue tax cuts, they have to cut spending,” Meckler said. “I don’t believe the American people will find [tax cuts without spending cuts] acceptable, and I think he will find himself at odds with the American people.”

The Trump administration has pushed for Congress to pass the plan by the end of the year, but has recently softened that expectation. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell complained over the August recess that the president has “excessive expectations” for Congress, particularly around the speed with which they can push through legislation. And Congress must pass key appropriations bills, send relief to the victims of Tropical Storm Harvey and lift the debt ceiling this fall.

“Earlier in the year, I said I thought we’d get it done by August, and I was wrong, OK?” Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin told reporters Friday. “I am now going to say that I’m very hopeful and I think we can get this done by the end of the year, but we will continue to revisit that.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-warns-congress-dont-disappoint-tax-reform-202317538.html
 
The Latest: Interior drops probe into secretary, senators
Associated Press Associated Press 3 hours ago .

:25 p.m.

The Interior Department inspector general's office has dropped an investigation into whether the Trump administration pressured Alaska GOP Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan over their health care votes.

A pair of House Democrats had sought the investigation over phone calls Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke (ZIN'-kee) made to the senators. Zinke reportedly suggested Alaska could pay a price if they crossed President Donald Trump on the GOP's plan to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law.

Deputy Inspector General Mary Kendall wrote that her office "does not believe it could meaningfully investigate the matter further" because Murkowski and Sullivan declined to provide statements or be interviewed.

Sullivan voted in favor of the GOP health repeal bill that failed in late July, while Murkowski was opposed.


12:05 p.m.

President Donald Trump is promising billions to help Texas rebuild from Hurricane Harvey, but his Republican allies in the House are looking at cutting almost $1 billion from disaster accounts to help finance the president's border wall.

The pending reduction to the Federal Emergency Management Agency's disaster relief account is part of a spending bill that the House is scheduled to consider next week when Congress returns from its August recess. The $876 million cut, part of the 1,305-page measure's homeland security section, pays for roughly half the cost of Trump's down payment on a U.S.-Mexico border wall.

It seems sure that GOP leaders will move to reverse the disaster aid cut next week. The optics are politically bad and there's only $2.3 billion remaining in disaster coffers.


10 a.m.

Congressional aides say President Donald Trump will meet House and Senate leaders at the White House next Wednesday, as lawmakers return from an August break and plunge into a daunting pile of work.

Congress will face demands to speed aid to Houston to help the swamped metropolis recover from deadly Harvey.

By late September, lawmakers will have to pass one bill preventing an unprecedented federal default and another averting a government shutdown.

Trump has belittled congressional Republicans in recent weeks, particularly Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, leaving relations with his own party dicey.

Also slated to attend are House Speaker Paul Ryan, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

The aides spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose a meeting that hadn't yet been announced.
 
Under Eisenhower, the Top Tax Rate Was 91 Percent. Was He a Socialist?

Based on the attacks on Bernie Sanders by the wealthy and corporate sectors, you'd think that his call for the wealthy to pay higher taxes makes him a Communist.

However, as has been pointed out by Sanders himself, the highest marginal income tax rate in the last 65 years was 91 percent, and it was in place under President Eisenhower. In November 2015, PolitiFact reported:

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., wouldn’t reveal just how high he’d raise income taxes on the rich during the Iowa presidential debate, but he guaranteed it wouldn’t be as much as it has been in the past.

In order to pay for making college tuition-free for Americans, Sanders said that Wall Street owed the middle class for bailing it out during the recent financial crisis. He said he would demand "that the wealthiest people and the largest corporations, who have gotten away with ******* for years, start paying their fair share."

Sanders was asked at the debate how high he might raise the marginal rate on upper bracket Americans? His response was, "We haven’t come up with an exact number yet, but it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was 90 percent."

PolitiFact examined charges that Bernie Sanders was incorrect in his assertion about the Eisenhower administration tax rate. PolitiFact concluded:

A look through the records shows that top earners in the eight years of Eisenhower’s presidency paid a top income tax rate of 91 percent. It was even a bit higher before he took office.

We rate Sanders’ statement True.

It is important to note that the United States has a tiered tax (marginal rate) system, which means people pay increasingly higher percentages in taxes only above certain income thresholds. (Although, of course, many people avoid forking over the highest percentages by utilizing tax loopholes.)

To today's oligarchy, taxing the rich at an above 90% marginal rate is akin to Lenin setting US government policy, which is why many of the richest people in the nation sneeringly refer to Sanders' "Democratic socialism" - which actually preserves capitalism - as dyed-in-the-wool Bolshevism.

Indeed, if you look to the three Scandinavian nations - Sweden, Norway and Denmark - that Sanders refers to as models for his particular vision of "Democratic Socialism" (which is not by any means a comprehensive state-run ownership of production or property), they are capitalist - not socialist - nations with a strong safety net. The Scandinavian governments might provide everything from health services to free college tuition to livable pensions (with variations among them), but their economies are not socialist; they are strongly capitalist. Sweden and Norway - because of its vast wealth from North Sea oil - are particularly prosperous.

According to the pro-corporate think tank, the Tax Foundation, "Denmark’s top marginal effective income tax rate is 60.4 percent. Sweden’s is 56.4 percent. Norway’s top marginal tax rate is 39 percent."

The highest federal marginal tax rate in the United States is 39.6 percent.

In fact, even the business-friendly Tax Foundation concedes that the Scandinavian nations are more tax-friendly to corporations than the US:


While Scandinavian countries raise a lot of revenue from individuals through the income tax, payroll taxes, and the Value-added tax, they don’t really raise much more revenue than the United States from capital and business taxes and don’t have much higher marginal rates on capital income....

Marginal corporate tax rates in Scandinavian countries are around the OECD [Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development] average of 25 percent and much more competitive than the United States’ rate. Denmark’s corporate income tax rate is 24.5 percent, Norway’s general corporate income tax rate is 27 percent, and Sweden has a corporate tax rate of 22 percent. The U.S. marginal tax rate on corporations is much higher at 39.1 percent (average of federal and state).

So who pays for the generous government services in Scandinavia? One can assume that the Scandinavian nations allow less tax evasion. They also, as the Tax Foundation points out, do not provide government services, in general, for free. Workers and the wealthy alike contribute to the state coffers that pay for public services for the entire population of the countries through income and consumption taxes, as well as the corporate taxes referred to above. Norway is an exception, because a lot of its national treasury is filled with money from the sale of North Sea oil.

It might also be worthy to note that the Scandinavian nations spend much less of their national budgets percentage wise than the US does on the military, for example. This allows them more funds to be put toward benefiting citizens of the nations.

If one is an advocate of true socialism, the Scandinavian nations are not a good example of such a model. That is because they are economically structured as capitalist nations, although they allocate a greater percentage of the gross domestic product for services than the US does. These services address needs that individuals in the United States generally pay for out of pocket, with the exception of programs such as Medicare and Social Security (both of which workers and employers pay into with each paycheck).

In this context, Sanders' "Democratic socialism" is a modified form of capitalism, one that reins in the most glaring excesses of capitalism, raises taxes and social accountability on the wealthiest, and offers a broad government network of public services for the common good.

Tellingly, in the Fox Business Network-sponsored GOP debate on January 14, host Maria Bartiromo asked presidential aspirant Ohio Governor John Kasich,

So what does it say about our country that a candidate who is a self-avowed socialist and who doesn’t think a 90 percent tax rate is too high could be the Democratic nominee?

To which Kasich responded, "Well, if that’s the case, we’re going to win every state, if Bernie Sanders is the nominee."

In short, based on Kasich's statement, Dwight Eisenhower couldn't be nominated by the GOP today because on the issue of high marginal taxes for the wealthy - which is a defining issue for Bernie Sanders - Eisenhower would be considered a socialist.

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Dwight D. Eisenhower on tax cuts and a balanced budget

Dwight D. Eisenhower is often quoted from his February 17, 1953 News Conference in which he said,


The fact is there must be balanced budgets before we are again on a safe and sound system in our economy. That means, to my mind, that we cannot afford to reduce taxes, reduce income, until we have in sight a program of expenditures that shows that the factors of income and of outgo will be balanced. Now that is just to my mind sheer necessity.

This quote makes it sound like if Eisenhower were still alive today he would advocate keeping tax rates high or even raising them in order to balance the budget. And this quote is used by several contemporary liberal commentators to support higher taxes today.

Taken in context, Eisenhower's quote gives a very different perspective:


And now, our last subject: taxes. In spite of some things that I have seen in the papers over the past 8 or 9 months, I personally have never promised a reduction in taxes. Never.

What I have said is, reduction of taxes is a very necessary objective of government--that if our form of economy is to endure, we must not forget private incentives and initiative and the production that comes from it. Therefore, the objective of tax reduction is an absolutely essential one, and must be attained in its proper order.

But I believe, and I think this can be demonstrated as fact by economists, both on the basis of history and on their theoretical and abstract reasoning, that until the deficit is eliminated from our budget, there is no hope of keeping our money stable. It is bound to continue to be cheapened, and if it is cheapened, then the necessary expenses of government each year cost more because the money is worth less. Therefore, there is no end to the inflation; there is finally no end to taxation; and the eventual result would, of course, be catastrophe.

So, whether we are ready to face the job this minute or any other time, the fact is there must be balanced budgets before we are again on a safe and sound system in our economy. That means, to my mind, that we cannot afford to reduce taxes, reduce income, until we have in sight a program of expenditures that shows that the factors of income and of outgo will be balanced. Now that is just to my mind sheer necessity.


I have as much reason as anyone else to deplore high taxes. I certainly am going to work with every bit of energy I have towards their reduction. And I applaud the efforts of the people in Congress that are going in that way. But I merely want to point out that unless we go at it in the proper sequence, I do not believe that taxes will be lowered. We might for the moment lower the "chit" you get for this year, but in the ensuing years, it would be a very different thing.





As you can see from the quote, Eisenhower did not favor high taxes. His point, however, is that it doesn't help if government only taxes a little so long as it spends a lot. Because when government spends a lot it devalues our currency. And if government can't keep our money stable they are in effect just taxing wealth which is held in dollars.

With high spending there is no end to inflation and therefore no end to taxation because we have inflation and the result is catastrophic. Whether you have high taxes which confiscates your wealth or you have high inflation which is just a tax on your buying power did not matter to Eisenhower. He deplored them both.


Eisenhower's quote is often put in the context of the fact that the top marginal income tax rate in 1953 was 92%. The 92% tax bracket applied to income over $400,000 in 1953, equivalent to an income of $3,439,611 today. Since this tax bracket applied to very very few, the economic destruction was small. It was still a large disincentive for those subject to these rates, but the total effect on the economy was small

In 1953 total federal tax receipts were just 18.7% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) (17.6% On-Budget and 1.1% Off-Budget) while federal outlays were 20.4% of GDP. We were running a deficit equal to 1.7% of GDP. And the Gross Federal Debt was 71.4% of our GDP.

The top federal tax rate was reduced from 92% to 70% by Johnson in 1964 and the Gross Federal Debt was reduced from 71.4% of GDP down to 35.6% over the next two decades.

Currently the 2013 official White House numbers estimate tax receipts of 17.8% of GDP and Outlays of 23.3% of GDP for a deficit equal to 5.5% of GDP. And the Gross Federal Debt is estimated at 107.4% of GDP.

It used to be that Republicans did not distinguish between the government taxing too much and the government spending too much. They believed that both incentives toward production (low taxes) and a stable currency (low deficits) were equally important. This was the Classic Economic View which later became more nuanced in the New Classic View when distinctions favored supply side economics. But neither of these two views were in favor of high taxes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidm...-tax-cuts-and-a-balanced-budget/#3ae6e01e5047
 
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