Finally admitted to black friend about this

but i could feel others monitoring my face for cues or something, like they didn't believe i was actually over what just happened, and my face did start to twitch or something in a way I just know broadcast defeat.

I don’t know why you cucks feel like you are defeated. Do you know the only reason why this can happens is because you are there for your woman. Do you know that if she would leave you for a bull, her ass would be crawling back because no bull wants a needy girlfriend. If she’s willing to be part of the harem, that’s fine, but a girlfriend - hell no.

All y’all cucks have to do is just say, “fuck this I’m out, let the bull deal with your ass” and things will change significantly in your relationship. Women need safety, security, and love before they need endless orgasms.

cucks, know that you are powerful and stop acting weak, defeated, and lost. You own the strongest part of the woman, the heart that is desperate to be loved. If you don’t like something - stand up. But please stop bitching - no women likes that. Or just take your cucking like a whipped man.

ronman, I’m not saying you are bitching but just talking to cucks in general.
 
All good, it may be in parts cause there's a lot. Forget where I left off at, I think after his first real sex. In the beginning there was moreso focus on foreplay and warming up, awkwardness and nervous laughter kinda thing at first, that changed some. She only wanted it once a week at most even though he wanted more, so it was like every weekend i'd be half dreading/half excited for, with more dread as time went on and things escalated. The thing he was most into was the power angle of it, and with that came the progressive need for others to see he was cuckolding me openly. So for instance it sorta started with when her roommate(s) were home. We at first tried to only do it when they're not home or keep quiet if they are, and figured he's following, but when he got going he could groan loud without a care or try to overwhelm her into squealing or gasping a bit. She definitely knew, and that's a whole story itself.. as time went on though and talked to my gf about it, her roommate was supportive of it and thought it's so neat lol. This just emboldened him a ton though, constantly pushing the boundaries.

The one time the roommate was out in the kitchen and he bust all over gf's shirt. He grabbed her hand and took her out and i followed, and he went for a "glass of water" and brief talk with her roommate. She tried to hide it at first but ended up being right in the path of her roommate who noticed and acted ignorant of it at first but started giggling, which made my gf giggle until we all we were laughing a bit - they actually laughed so hard. I never noticed until her roommate said "omg your face is so red hehe so cute!" but I felt speechless through the whole thing. When the conversation would come to me and they looked i just couldn't summon a response. I guess seeing me still-stunned is why her roommate gave a look up at my friend, like a look of awe or something, maybe because he was able to have as big an effect on me as it did. At that moment i just couldn't resist and grabbed my girl and kissed her passionately right there. Maybe it was her reaction finally registered what an alpha male this guy is and what he's done, it's like a feeling of i need to pamper my girl and be more passionate than ever for her to keep her with me. But she still had his cum on her shirt and so i was sorta keeping a distance while kissing to not get it on me, which they laughed to. But for me it was an intense moment of love for her. Her roommate sees how much I pamper my gf and am romantic with after our friend leaves, and she thinks it's amazing, so i think that's why she's able to overlook the more salacious parts. And he was only bold enough to do it as we knew she thought it was 'cool'. But that's a side story

My friend and I since we became friends would periodically text, and respectfully disagree and share links on politics. He's more left oriented and I'm more right oriented. This didn't really change and we would still text sometimes, and i'd still back my view. But sometimes in the midst of when i'd be trying to prove a point, he might say something like "you know i never really liked when a girl uses her teeth, but i've come to like when your girl scrapes her teeth on my fat head" I wouldn't know how to respond to it and again it's that stunned feeling. I have to play the dual role of friend but also now cuckold, and for me it's preferably a gradual transition to that mood or role when i'm ready. But he came to like talking as friends and suddenly remind me he's the bull. Which is crazy, this whole thing, as i never suspected any of this when we were just friends.

He loved showing off in public, as i'd get her sexy clothes to wear and he'd say or do things in front of us others that suggested what we're doing. But the worst was we went out to dinner with a loose group of friends, a few white/asian couples and had a long table at the restaurant. She wasn't super sexily dressed but a tad suggestive, as we were more reserved. But our friend was extremely confident the whole night and taking over conversations at will. It was a change from what everyone's use to and sorta set everybody aback, they didn't really know how to take it particularly the guys, seemed insecure. He'd make jokes at my expense or belittle me and I'd just take it lol not respond, and sometimes my gf would smile. I could tell at least my one friend knew what was going on and was visibly uncomfortable/embarrassed. The others either had a poker face or couldn't grasp yet. But throughout the night he also grew more bold too. At one point we were out in the lobby mingling and he said "hey Bella you know sometimes you look like a bunny?" he picked her up bounced her several times going "Bounce! Bounce! Bounce! She's Bella the bunny" while she's laughing and making cute noises. Our group is watching and most are semi smiling but probably noticed how his hands were up under her shirt grabbing her by the belly pretty firmly and probably caught them off guard some. It was something so silly and random but you could tell it made an impression, and darn it if she didn't look so cute and feminine. He sets her down then says something like "oh i forgot my coat", comes in my direction and shoves past me, like knocked me back a bit, he walks a little way then says "oh no its back at the car" But everyone saw it and they're looking at me like expecting some reaction, or just surprised it happened. It surprised me too really, didn't even know how to process that. Like he just made up a reason to shove me aside in front of others to see. He walks back and just instinct i nervously laugh sorta and said sorry. He didn't even acknowledge me though, just went back to her saying how she's like a bunny. Seemed like some were embarrassed for me, others seem like mind=blown. It's not characteristic of me to react that way, as they know me to at least stand up for myself, and before might have thought of me as 'some kind' of tough guy.

We all went back to one of the friends house and things started to calm, people forgot it and the subject changed. Somehow working out came up then arm wrestling, and my friend said he'd arm wrestle me, so i did. People were still talking and only half paying attention, and i did give it my all, he tired me out then slowly put me down. The convo died down to see it and the aftermath and I tried to change the convo quick and cover up my reaction as even for me it was getting a bit much, but i could feel others monitoring my face for cues or something, like they didn't believe i was actually over what just happened, and my face did start to twitch or something in a way I just know broadcast defeat. I He was more reserved that time and not as domineering back at the house, and people seemed to warm up to him or compliment him, although to me it seemed like a nervous way to appease him. I couldn't believe i was seeing in some of my other friends the same thing from me, the nervous laughter and like yielding to him in conversation, probably to save face so he doesn't act the same way to them in front of their gfs. Needless to say they all surely know something is up, but probably too embarrassed to address it directly yet. And for me i didn't expect or even want any of my friends to have any hint of what was actually happening. Now i'm seen in a new light that's hard to recover from

Another memorable moment was we did a bar crawl the three of us and she dressed as below. Many interesting brief conversations with people, whole other story itself. Many jealous or stunned looks from white guys lol when the dynamic became clear. One white guy was talking to us a bit and said something like "i'm probably bigger anyways" She said "yea?" and thought for a bit, slipped her one foot out of her heel and showed it to him and goes "you're bigger than that?" It deflated him big time. At one point later she did a standing split showing off and he grabbed her ankle, was intense lol

As for sex, it was all going on through all this at a weekly pace, and everything together was crushing my self-esteem gradually. I think he caught wind of it in comments made and at first said he'd back off in that way and seemed to. But then one day sends a group text that needs backstory. We all watch the UFC now and then and follow, and the last one we watched together was Ngannou KO'ing Stipe, which i think made an impression before this all started. He made subtle comments that night i never pieced together til now though, just how Africans are taking over UFC too now. In the text though it was a picture of some African power thing showing how all the top champions are black now. Even though we agreed to steer away from this angle, it was so powerful, and it's like we were all thinking the same thing without saying anything. He came right over and power fucked my bunny so hard she squealed. He was just being really aggressive and dominant that time, lot of hair pulling it seemed to make a point maybe. At one point he's got her on her back with her one leg up by her head digging up in her and as he's going wild saying something like "i don't give a fuck how depressed he gets, I own this little pussy" Her reaction was mixed at that moment, like trying to push him back some but she started orgasming and moaning. He eventually cummed in her mouth and didn't want her to spill any, as it seemed filled to the brim. He came over to me and grabbed me by the ear, not hard but guiding, and set me down in front of her pressing my lips up against hers. He didn't say anything. For a moment her and i were reluctant to do anything, maybe we felt tiny movements of each others lips unsure what the other thought. I felt her make a kissing motion, in hindsight it was just a plain kiss, but in the moment i thought she was going for tongue, and fearing her spill it on us i got suction between our lips, i didn't intend to actually give tongue, but the pressure and amount of what was in her mouth i guess caused us to makeout.. a huge amount of cum flooded my mouth, i couldn't believe it, in shock sorta but I was just searching for her tongue with mine. Every swoosh was unbelievably humiliating, re-feeling how thick and gooey his cum is and getting in contact with it all. It was so overwhelming i came my pants right there. He says "cuckold bitch" right before i did, it's some insane mix of unreal humiliation, ******* and trauma lol. She could tell i was cumming from my grunts and movements and i saw the smile form on her face up close as we're kissing. It made me so crazy for her, and i wanted to kiss her more passionately. It was either my feeling choked up with emotion that caused it, or swooshing it all toward me, that i felt some get to my back throat and felt the ******* reflex. I had a big gulp happen within an instance, and then another, and then another, and then another. I couldn't believe by the end of it i could tell she was pushing his cum from her mouth into mine to finish swallowing, which i didn't intend to do. I got right down then and started kissing her feet all over, telling her how beautiful she was and how i'm always gonna treat her like a princess, with his cum still oozing off my lips after initial kisses. She says it so sexy then "that silly white boy at the bar just has no idea'. I look up at him and he just smiles and flexes. I just felt like instinct at that point i just said "you're the alpha male" "i will learn to respect you sir" stuff like that. He just goes "mhhm" at first then says "louder" every time i would say it. He kept saying "louder!" as i'm still kissing her feet. "You're the alpha male sir and i'm the weak beta white loser" "Louder bitch!" Nothing sexual was even happening then but I came myself hard again as i'm kissing her feet and responding, "You're the alpha male sir and i'm the weak beta white loser!"
We wrapped up and he left, but i heard him talk briefly to her roommate, and our faces are like ohh shitt. We did not think she was home, even though we weren't too loud until the end, which is the worst part for her to hear. There's cuckolding and then there's how that ended, which she definitely would've heard.
Needless to say, it broke me pretty good. We intended on stopping that downward trend, and it just took a nosedive.


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dude you love it. Fuck all of this. If you are doing all of this - you love it. No woman is worth doing all this ******* for. Fuck that.

it’s ok to say, you are a cuck and you need to just do cuck things.
 
What an unbelievably hot story. You realize of course that at the end of this road you will be sucking his cock and sucking his cum out of her pussy, if you're lucky.
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.

Wow! Hot story and she is F-ing hot! Got to post some more picks of her body please…Smoking!! So I guess my big question for you is, does she desire this or is she doing it for you? If so is she doing this to play the hot wife/hot girlfriend role or does she just want to fuck him?

Next thing that needs to happen is get your buddy to fuck her roommate also. Maybe at the same time. That would be hot!! Sounds like she might be into it also.

I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
 
I think thst u admitting u like ur bud to fuck ur girl with u there I think is hot and takes a real man to be ok with it but from my exp if guy going to fuvk my wife Iam going to be in there playing with his cock and fucking one of them or both , lol
And Iam brown guy mix european but us brown guys are hung also , only met few guys tgst where bigger or as thick as mine
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
You've taken come from her mouth, it's not that big a step to taking it from her pussy.

At least, if she simply sits on your face after he fills her. If she just lies back you have to go in after it.

Both options are good... for the first few times it might be easier if she just sits on your face.

In my experience it'll send her off like a rocket -- she's already sensitized and the tongue does some wonderful things at that point. "Treating her like a princess" definitely comes into it, and it can be a clear indication that you support what she's doing.
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
Any updates?

Do you have any pictures of her and her bull?

Also what are some of the hot things she has said after sex and during sex with with him?
 
All good, it may be in parts cause there's a lot. Forget where I left off at, I think after his first real sex. In the beginning there was moreso focus on foreplay and warming up, awkwardness and nervous laughter kinda thing at first, that changed some. She only wanted it once a week at most even though he wanted more, so it was like every weekend i'd be half dreading/half excited for, with more dread as time went on and things escalated. The thing he was most into was the power angle of it, and with that came the progressive need for others to see he was cuckolding me openly. So for instance it sorta started with when her roommate(s) were home. We at first tried to only do it when they're not home or keep quiet if they are, and figured he's following, but when he got going he could groan loud without a care or try to overwhelm her into squealing or gasping a bit. She definitely knew, and that's a whole story itself.. as time went on though and talked to my gf about it, her roommate was supportive of it and thought it's so neat lol. This just emboldened him a ton though, constantly pushing the boundaries.

The one time the roommate was out in the kitchen and he bust all over gf's shirt. He grabbed her hand and took her out and i followed, and he went for a "glass of water" and brief talk with her roommate. She tried to hide it at first but ended up being right in the path of her roommate who noticed and acted ignorant of it at first but started giggling, which made my gf giggle until we all we were laughing a bit - they actually laughed so hard. I never noticed until her roommate said "omg your face is so red hehe so cute!" but I felt speechless through the whole thing. When the conversation would come to me and they looked i just couldn't summon a response. I guess seeing me still-stunned is why her roommate gave a look up at my friend, like a look of awe or something, maybe because he was able to have as big an effect on me as it did. At that moment i just couldn't resist and grabbed my girl and kissed her passionately right there. Maybe it was her reaction finally registered what an alpha male this guy is and what he's done, it's like a feeling of i need to pamper my girl and be more passionate than ever for her to keep her with me. But she still had his cum on her shirt and so i was sorta keeping a distance while kissing to not get it on me, which they laughed to. But for me it was an intense moment of love for her. Her roommate sees how much I pamper my gf and am romantic with after our friend leaves, and she thinks it's amazing, so i think that's why she's able to overlook the more salacious parts. And he was only bold enough to do it as we knew she thought it was 'cool'. But that's a side story

My friend and I since we became friends would periodically text, and respectfully disagree and share links on politics. He's more left oriented and I'm more right oriented. This didn't really change and we would still text sometimes, and i'd still back my view. But sometimes in the midst of when i'd be trying to prove a point, he might say something like "you know i never really liked when a girl uses her teeth, but i've come to like when your girl scrapes her teeth on my fat head" I wouldn't know how to respond to it and again it's that stunned feeling. I have to play the dual role of friend but also now cuckold, and for me it's preferably a gradual transition to that mood or role when i'm ready. But he came to like talking as friends and suddenly remind me he's the bull. Which is crazy, this whole thing, as i never suspected any of this when we were just friends.

He loved showing off in public, as i'd get her sexy clothes to wear and he'd say or do things in front of us others that suggested what we're doing. But the worst was we went out to dinner with a loose group of friends, a few white/asian couples and had a long table at the restaurant. She wasn't super sexily dressed but a tad suggestive, as we were more reserved. But our friend was extremely confident the whole night and taking over conversations at will. It was a change from what everyone's use to and sorta set everybody aback, they didn't really know how to take it particularly the guys, seemed insecure. He'd make jokes at my expense or belittle me and I'd just take it lol not respond, and sometimes my gf would smile. I could tell at least my one friend knew what was going on and was visibly uncomfortable/embarrassed. The others either had a poker face or couldn't grasp yet. But throughout the night he also grew more bold too. At one point we were out in the lobby mingling and he said "hey Bella you know sometimes you look like a bunny?" he picked her up bounced her several times going "Bounce! Bounce! Bounce! She's Bella the bunny" while she's laughing and making cute noises. Our group is watching and most are semi smiling but probably noticed how his hands were up under her shirt grabbing her by the belly pretty firmly and probably caught them off guard some. It was something so silly and random but you could tell it made an impression, and darn it if she didn't look so cute and feminine. He sets her down then says something like "oh i forgot my coat", comes in my direction and shoves past me, like knocked me back a bit, he walks a little way then says "oh no its back at the car" But everyone saw it and they're looking at me like expecting some reaction, or just surprised it happened. It surprised me too really, didn't even know how to process that. Like he just made up a reason to shove me aside in front of others to see. He walks back and just instinct i nervously laugh sorta and said sorry. He didn't even acknowledge me though, just went back to her saying how she's like a bunny. Seemed like some were embarrassed for me, others seem like mind=blown. It's not characteristic of me to react that way, as they know me to at least stand up for myself, and before might have thought of me as 'some kind' of tough guy.

We all went back to one of the friends house and things started to calm, people forgot it and the subject changed. Somehow working out came up then arm wrestling, and my friend said he'd arm wrestle me, so i did. People were still talking and only half paying attention, and i did give it my all, he tired me out then slowly put me down. The convo died down to see it and the aftermath and I tried to change the convo quick and cover up my reaction as even for me it was getting a bit much, but i could feel others monitoring my face for cues or something, like they didn't believe i was actually over what just happened, and my face did start to twitch or something in a way I just know broadcast defeat. I He was more reserved that time and not as domineering back at the house, and people seemed to warm up to him or compliment him, although to me it seemed like a nervous way to appease him. I couldn't believe i was seeing in some of my other friends the same thing from me, the nervous laughter and like yielding to him in conversation, probably to save face so he doesn't act the same way to them in front of their gfs. Needless to say they all surely know something is up, but probably too embarrassed to address it directly yet. And for me i didn't expect or even want any of my friends to have any hint of what was actually happening. Now i'm seen in a new light that's hard to recover from

Another memorable moment was we did a bar crawl the three of us and she dressed as below. Many interesting brief conversations with people, whole other story itself. Many jealous or stunned looks from white guys lol when the dynamic became clear. One white guy was talking to us a bit and said something like "i'm probably bigger anyways" She said "yea?" and thought for a bit, slipped her one foot out of her heel and showed it to him and goes "you're bigger than that?" It deflated him big time. At one point later she did a standing split showing off and he grabbed her ankle, was intense lol

As for sex, it was all going on through all this at a weekly pace, and everything together was crushing my self-esteem gradually. I think he caught wind of it in comments made and at first said he'd back off in that way and seemed to. But then one day sends a group text that needs backstory. We all watch the UFC now and then and follow, and the last one we watched together was Ngannou KO'ing Stipe, which i think made an impression before this all started. He made subtle comments that night i never pieced together til now though, just how Africans are taking over UFC too now. In the text though it was a picture of some African power thing showing how all the top champions are black now. Even though we agreed to steer away from this angle, it was so powerful, and it's like we were all thinking the same thing without saying anything. He came right over and power fucked my bunny so hard she squealed. He was just being really aggressive and dominant that time, lot of hair pulling it seemed to make a point maybe. At one point he's got her on her back with her one leg up by her head digging up in her and as he's going wild saying something like "i don't give a fuck how depressed he gets, I own this little pussy" Her reaction was mixed at that moment, like trying to push him back some but she started orgasming and moaning. He eventually cummed in her mouth and didn't want her to spill any, as it seemed filled to the brim. He came over to me and grabbed me by the ear, not hard but guiding, and set me down in front of her pressing my lips up against hers. He didn't say anything. For a moment her and i were reluctant to do anything, maybe we felt tiny movements of each others lips unsure what the other thought. I felt her make a kissing motion, in hindsight it was just a plain kiss, but in the moment i thought she was going for tongue, and fearing her spill it on us i got suction between our lips, i didn't intend to actually give tongue, but the pressure and amount of what was in her mouth i guess caused us to makeout.. a huge amount of cum flooded my mouth, i couldn't believe it, in shock sorta but I was just searching for her tongue with mine. Every swoosh was unbelievably humiliating, re-feeling how thick and gooey his cum is and getting in contact with it all. It was so overwhelming i came my pants right there. He says "cuckold bitch" right before i did, it's some insane mix of unreal humiliation, ******* and trauma lol. She could tell i was cumming from my grunts and movements and i saw the smile form on her face up close as we're kissing. It made me so crazy for her, and i wanted to kiss her more passionately. It was either my feeling choked up with emotion that caused it, or swooshing it all toward me, that i felt some get to my back throat and felt the ******* reflex. I had a big gulp happen within an instance, and then another, and then another, and then another. I couldn't believe by the end of it i could tell she was pushing his cum from her mouth into mine to finish swallowing, which i didn't intend to do. I got right down then and started kissing her feet all over, telling her how beautiful she was and how i'm always gonna treat her like a princess, with his cum still oozing off my lips after initial kisses. She says it so sexy then "that silly white boy at the bar just has no idea'. I look up at him and he just smiles and flexes. I just felt like instinct at that point i just said "you're the alpha male" "i will learn to respect you sir" stuff like that. He just goes "mhhm" at first then says "louder" every time i would say it. He kept saying "louder!" as i'm still kissing her feet. "You're the alpha male sir and i'm the weak beta white loser" "Louder bitch!" Nothing sexual was even happening then but I came myself hard again as i'm kissing her feet and responding, "You're the alpha male sir and i'm the weak beta white loser!"
We wrapped up and he left, but i heard him talk briefly to her roommate, and our faces are like ohh shitt. We did not think she was home, even though we weren't too loud until the end, which is the worst part for her to hear. There's cuckolding and then there's how that ended, which she definitely would've heard.
Needless to say, it broke me pretty good. We intended on stopping that downward trend, and it just took a nosedive.


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Yeah love to hear if you have had any more get togethers with your friend. Also if you have, any body shots of her, feel free to post them, nude or not. You’ve posted some great detailed stories of everything your experiencing in and out of the bedroom.
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
Any updates with you, the girlfriend and your bbc buddy?
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
Wow! Congratulations on getting your fantasy to come true! It looks very promising already, and I love that you still keep an open mind. Even though you didn't seem to be interested in eating his cum at all in the beginning, you still accepted your role and submitted by eating his seed. This is just the tip of the cuckolding iceberg in terms of possibilities, but since you have a girlfriend that wants to navigate the lifestyle with you, you can just go with the flow and enjoy the ride.

My wife and I are into that kind of more "hardcore" cuckolding play, so if you have any questions about it feel free to message me, I'd be glad to answer discreetly any questions you might have about it.
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
Any updates with your girlfriend and you buddy?
 
my first bbc as a wife was a friend of ours, we saw each other, hubby wanted me to try cuckhold ls.
I finally agreed on our friend. said I would try.
( I thought I would try and hUbby and I wont like).
Instead it was fabulous. he was so good in bed and hubby loved it too.
I fucked him all the time after that, until he moved away
Cuckolding means having more love ... darling 😍
 
I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see
Any update with you and bunny and your buddy?? It’s been a while…
 
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I can't imagine it getting to that extent, but then again I never imagined it getting this far.



I think she does it for both reasons, for me and cause she likes it. But also cause she likes the effect it has on us, me treating her like a princess and her feeling like one.
I could see something happening with him and her roommate. I noticed she wears stockings lately, maybe in hopes he'll be over to see


Any updates on what happened?
 
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