The worst possible scenario (for a non-Republican) is starting to look likely

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Angelyn

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The impeachment fiasco, followed by the Iowa fiasco, is looking very, very ugly for ordinary voters like me who aren't on either party's side.

In my previous posts, I have articulated my general dislike of Democrats and their party. But I also do not consider the Republicans a party that represents me in the slightest bit.

Americans would be better served by having a strong Democratic party produce good candidates, good leadership, and a coherent platform.

The way things are going, I believe we are looking at an unfolding disaster. Everybody is united only in their hatred of Trump, which is not a reason for me or anybody in the middle/ purple states to vote for them. Sanders has good ideas, but without proper moderation it would be impossible for most middle Americans to vote for him. (A heavily left leaning candidate like Sanders MUST be balanced by a strong moderate VP candidate, or even a right of center candidate like Bloomberg). In the end the voters will be split, confused, pissed that their candidate lost because of democrat party elder aka Politburo/ Supreme Soviet meddling, reluctant to go to the polls, etc.

The worst case scenario is increasingly likely. Which is that Bloomberg runs as an independent because the democrats refuse to endorse him as a candidate, the democrats fail to rally, and the ensuring chaos results in low turnout that is clearly and legitimately not the result of Russian meddling or Republican vote suppression.

If you never-Trumper folks think 2016 was bad, I think 2020 will be much, much worse.

Trump rallies his supporters and wins with 50.1% popular vote on the backs of low turnout.

The opposition is so badly split that nationally Bloomberg draws 15% and the democrat candidate draws 34.9%. Even more humiliatingly, Trump holds his vote bloc in NY state losing only a bit to Bloomberg so he gets 35%, Bloomberg draws 30% and the remaining democratic candidate wins 34.9%. In other words, Trump takes New York state on no other basis than the fact that the opposition was split and we have a first past the post system.

50.1% for Trump, in our electoral college would probably translate into something like 400 for Trump and 100 for Democrat candidate. I'm guessing there will be a rebellion by some electors, maybe 38 spoil their votes, vote for Bloomberg, vote for a defeated Democrat candidate, etc.

With a result like this, there can be no doubt what's gonna happen next. I think RBG will hang on grimly, but Breyer might just give up the ghost and retire. An emboldened Trump will nominate an even more right wing justice to the Supreme Court.

The countries who had been holding off dealing with Trump, thinking that the next president would change things, would probably 'see the light' (or shall I call it darkness?) and sign onto any changes that Trump proposes. Which means that Trump's foreign policy will set the tone for many years to come - more unilateralism, less mutual cooperation, less championing of democracy, etc. Even if a Democrat succeeds Trump in 2024, the fact that the US has voted for an isolationist like Trump twice, won't be ignored. It will have very serious ramifications for many years to come.
 
another thread.....similar to the last 6 or 7...……. all saying you are not a trump supporter......while praising the right and talking down about the left……….. your doom n gloom for the left is as fake as your pic


why don't you admit that on several things on here you are as phoney as a 3 dollar bill
 
another thread.....similar to the last 6 or 7...……. all saying you are not a trump supporter......while praising the right and talking down about the left……….. your doom n gloom for the left is as fake as your pic


why don't you admit that on several things on here you are as phoney as a 3 dollar bill
Whilst praising the right? Angelyn is clearly not a Trump supporter. She sounds like me - I am left wing, but ****** to accept that the Right is the better option right now. And it's global. I would vote Trump if i was in the US - with reservations - but I would still vote that way. Do you want to know why? Look no further than yourself. You are the face of the Left.
 
Whilst praising the right? Angelyn is clearly not a Trump supporter. She sounds like me - I am left wing, but ****** to accept that the Right is the better option right now. And it's global. I would vote Trump if i was in the US - with reservations - but I would still vote that way. Do you want to know why? Look no further than yourself. You are the face of the Left.



well apparently you haven't read all her posts to date.....what would you call someone....like your self it seems.....that keeps demonizing the left while praising the current administration.....and saying she is independent.....if it walks like a duck....quacks like a duck....it must be a trump supporter


again...you are left wing but ****** to accept that the right is better...…..the most corrupt administration to ever be in Washington....that's just for a start....who are you trying to bullshit?......another from another country wanting to praise a dictator want to be.....

apparently you don't have the same opinion as most of your country...…..another trumptard from overseas

What do Australians think of Donald Trump? - Quora
Australians-think-of-Donald-Trump
As an Australian here is my view. I hate him. I hate listening to him talk for more than five seconds. He is a non stop liar who barely understands how anything works. his stupidity is legendary among leftists such as myself. he took the mask off ..

If you hate Donald Trump, Australia might take you
https://mashable.com/2016/05/02/trump-move-to-australia
May 03, 2016 · "Come to Australia where 80 percent of people think he's a jerk." Maybe's submission points out that a Trump U.S. presidency could be a boon for equivalent economies like Australia.



pay attention to your fellow country men!.....they definitely know more than you seem to!
 
Whilst praising the right? Angelyn is clearly not a Trump supporter. She sounds like me - I am left wing, but ****** to accept that the Right is the better option right now. And it's global. I would vote Trump if i was in the US - with reservations - but I would still vote that way. Do you want to know why? Look no further than yourself. You are the face of the Left.

When I was young, like most people my age I was fairly on the left. I just got turned off over the years.

Being anti-left didn't make me right wing for the same reason that the political right has limited support in every country. If you're not the right race, religion, age, gender, language, you get excluded from right wing political parties and factions.

I won't vote for a man I don't respect. To put it in the language that young male students appreciate most: I'll suck Obama, not Trump.

But the political left is not going to get me to do their bidding by calling me names.
 
So to determine my opinion I should look at other people's opinions? In Australia we have a guy named ScoMo as our PM. He is a dumb happy-clapper who is so stupid he's dangerous. But I'll vote for him ahead of the Left.
 
I am left wing, but ****** to accept that the Right is the better option right now. And it's global. I would vote Trump if i was in the US - with reservations - but I would still vote that way. Do you want to know why? Look no further than yourself. You are the face of the Left.

I think that part of the Trump phenomenon is a growing number of voters who would express opinions similar to this. They tend to lean Left, but are aghast at the mockery democrats have made of a once functional political machine. It is not even so much the extreme policies, as it is the batshit crazy anger that Leftists are demonstrating. They don't appear to realize that reasonable Leftists, who have an interest in winning, regard them as a severe liability.

Trump has demonstrated that he knows how to win, can keep the trains running on time and make the dems jump like cats at his laser pointer. To a pragmatic Leftist, who wants to live in a functional society, Trump is the better choice.
 
I think that part of the Trump phenomenon is a growing number of voters who would express opinions similar to this. They tend to lean Left, but are aghast at the mockery democrats have made of a once functional political machine. It is not even so much the extreme policies, as it is the batshit crazy anger that Leftists are demonstrating. They don't appear to realize that reasonable Leftists, who have an interest in winning, regard them as a severe liability.

Trump has demonstrated that he knows how to win, can keep the trains running on time and make the dems jump like cats at his laser pointer. To a pragmatic Leftist, who wants to live in a functional society, Trump is the better choice.

Actually there may be no need to vote for Trump this coming election. Look at Bernie's performance!


Now the best part of this isn't that Bernie is going to win. Because having an extreme left government will be worse than Trump. The best part is that the Democrat party machine, being moderate and centrist, is being ****** to deal with this. They can either cheat, and destroy their own party and any chances of winning the next few elections, or they can moderate Bernie by forsing a more moderate running mate on him. Which means we're not actually going to get the Bolsheviks in power. The democrats know full well that if they go all out on the progressives, they'll still lose the election. So they will stick Bernie with someone who isn't so radical, such as Biden. This will allow us to move to the left on issues that matter to most people, such as healthcare and a more equitable tax structure.
 
The best part is that the Democrat party machine, being moderate and centrist, is being ****** to deal with this. They can either cheat, and destroy their own party and any chances of winning the next few elections, or they can moderate Bernie by forsing a more moderate running mate on him. Which means we're not actually going to get the Bolsheviks in power. The democrats know full well that if they go all out on the progressives, they'll still lose the election. So they will stick Bernie with someone who isn't so radical, such as Biden. This will allow us to move to the left on issues that matter to most people, such as healthcare and a more equitable tax structure.

Bernie can only choose a Black woman as running mate. Anyone else -- even a Black man -- would be a violation of the intersectional principles his campaign is built on.

And she should probably be Gay too (ie. lesbian), as having a traditional family would be too bourgeois for the Bernie-bots.
 
Bernie can only choose a Black woman as running mate. Anyone else -- even a Black man -- would be a violation of the intersectional principles his campaign is built on.

And she should probably be Gay too (ie. lesbian), as having a traditional family would be too bourgeois for the Bernie-bots.

All the current front runners have their strengths, so lets consider how they could be a good fit with a Bernie presidency.

If you pair Bernie with Biden: Two elderly white men, not very appealing to the woke crowd.
with Buttigeg, limited appeal to minorities. Might be a bit too progressive for many people in the middle and purple states. Lots of brains, not so much gut appeal to the undecided and fence sitters.
with Bloomberg, the public will have confidence that we aren't going to turn into a socialist country. But again, the optics of two elderly white men one of whom has a sexual harassment problem, is not attractive. I also doubt that either guy is going to compromise. They are both alphas. The Administration will be pretty conflicted.
with Klobuchar or Warren, the optics look best.
 
VPs are generally impotent and have no control over decisions - the choice of a running mate usually doesn’t sway voters either. In the case of Bernie where he’s so old and had a recent heart attack maybe it is more relevant but I still think a moot point.
 
The latest developments do not make me feel any better. Bernie has a better chance of beating Trump than anybody else, if nothing but votes and polls are concerned. However, most of the Democrats are Republican lites nowadays, swampy people with too many entrenched financial interests to take care of the working and middle classes. So I'm pretty sure the Democrat party elites will do what they can to bring Bernie down.

Then Bernie being who he is, he's not going to pair up with someone like Bloomberg or a moderate to reassure the elites that the administration under Bernie will not move too far left. Bernie is going to double down and pair up with someone who is even more progressive.

This means that the Democrat party elite are going to be ever more scared off by Bernie, and the Democrats could split instead of rallying around their leader.

There are a zillion things bad about Trump, but he is 100% capitalist. Republicans may hate Trump, but he wont' threaten their businesses interests.

I'm pretty sure Bernie will not hesitate to bring us back to the era of Eisenhower and FDR when the top rate for taxes were 91-94%.

And you know what? That's great for most of us. I'll happily see my top tax rate climb 10% if that means I have European-style healthcare. Most working and middle class people are being killed by healthcare costs, not the rate of taxation. It's not as if I (or any normal American) actually pay all my taxes at my top marginal tax rate.

But our problem is, the top Asses from the Dems are the same rich people as those who support the Republicans, just a bit more politically correct. So they'd do all they could to bring Bernie down, even at the cost of throwing the election.

We're going to see some version of 1860. In 1860 the election was 4-way because the Democrats were split, and the top Republican - Lincoln - won with only 39.8% of the popular vote.

I have no doubt that Trump can get 39.8% of the popular vote. And if the democrats were split between Biden and Bernie, maybe they can get 30% of the popular vote for Biden and 30% will go for Bernie, which means Trump wins both a clear majority of the popular vote and a clear majority of the electoral college. No Russians needed. No suppression needed. Totally legit victory. Handed over courtesy of the same idiots who sabotaged Bernie's rise in 2016.
 
Super Tuesday...
Today is a very important day.
But in my thinking, it is not that important whether Bernie or Biden or Bloomberg wins the biggest number of delegates. Even if any of them won with 50.1% of delegates rather than a plurality, that isn't enough.

What will decide the election is the level of leadership and cohesion that follows the democrat nominee.

If Bernie wins the nomination but doubles down on the radical stuff, it's going to scare a lot of people. Bernie needs to come in with a reassuring, pragmatic VP and articulate some good progressive plans that don't scare people, such as a program of gradually increasing taxes.

If Biden wins the nomination but doesn't do anything to reassure Bernie supporters that there will be attention paid to progressive issues, it will greatly depress democrat turnout.

If Bloomberg wins the nomination he really needs to go all out and reassure minority voters. A black running mate would be ideal.
 
re: The worst possible scenario (for a non-Republican) is starting to look likely

... and what might THAT BE?
Looking pretty good at the moment, actually. Trump's worst FEAR seems to be materializing, facing Biden. I'm betting that if Biden wins, Trump won't debate him more than twice at the very most. I hear he has Rudy Giuliani working OVERTIME to come up with some filth on Biden that will STICK.
Companies are starting to PULL the fake ADS being posted on the internet.
To be frank with you, I think the US is fed up with the Trump BS ... he keeps sitting on his ass or playing golf while telling everyone all around how GREAT IT IS because of himself. He's even been backtracking on his global warming and coronavirus BS ... been reading the news?
Oh wait ... you folks don't believe in the news unless its from Fox News ... I forgot.
 
Hey Mac - did ya hear - that in the Texas primaries - even though President Trump was running unopposed - he garnered more votes than all the Dem bozos COMBINED !!!!

What ya think that means ????
Taint lookin good for you guys I’d say.
 
re: The worst possible scenario (for a non-Republican) is starting to look likely

... and what might THAT BE?
Looking pretty good at the moment, actually. Trump's worst FEAR seems to be materializing, facing Biden. I'm betting that if Biden wins, Trump won't debate him more than twice at the very most. I hear he has Rudy Giuliani working OVERTIME to come up with some filth on Biden that will STICK.
Companies are starting to PULL the fake ADS being posted on the internet.
To be frank with you, I think the US is fed up with the Trump BS ... he keeps sitting on his ass or playing golf while telling everyone all around how GREAT IT IS because of himself. He's even been backtracking on his global warming and coronavirus BS ... been reading the news?
Oh wait ... you folks don't believe in the news unless its from Fox News ... I forgot.

Just lose the Faux News crap. I've posted a bunch of times, enough to build up a history that anyone can verify. If I have links, I usually post NYT or WaPo.

Anyway what will win this particular election, is not which Dem gets nominated. It is how leadership is demonstrated after the nomination. If Biden starts out kissing Goldman Sachs' ass, progressives will stay away in November.
 
Just lose the Faux News crap. I've posted a bunch of times, enough to build up a history that anyone can verify. If I have links, I usually post NYT or WaPo.
Anyway what will win this particular election, is not which Dem gets nominated. It is how leadership is demonstrated after the nomination. If Biden starts out kissing Goldman Sachs' ass, progressives will stay away in November.
Maybe not, it hasn't hurt Trump yet with kissing VPutin's ass and the Russian's asses, now has it?
One thing ALL Democrats realize, is that we can't allow Trump to remain in office for another term. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with Democrats playing as dirty as the Republicans have played the past 4 years. Listen to THEM cry foul some. They need a good dose of their own crooked tactics. Its going to take at least two terms for Democrats to straighten out what Trump has already screwed up.
 
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