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Donald Trump Impeachment Vote Will Happen Before Christmas, Texas Lawmaker Says
Newsweek Celeste Katz

He’s persisting.

A Texas congressman is renewing his vow to impeach President Donald Trump, saying he wants a vote before the end of the year.

“I now announce that before Christmas, there will be a vote on the 'Chief Inciter' of racism, bigotry, hatred, xenophobia, sexism, ethnocentrism,” Democrat Al Green said in a Wednesday floor speech. “There will be a vote in the U.S. House of Representatives, Mr. Speaker, on the impeachment of the president.”

Green has been talking about impeachment—which is highly unlikely to get anywhere in Congress for a number of reasons—for months.

He spoke in Washington as Democrats celebrated having swept to victory in Tuesday votes in Virginia, New Jersey and beyond.

The Texas legislator postponed his push to impeach, or to charge the president formally with wrongdoing that could lead to his removal, in early October while the country mourned following the mass ******* of concertgoers in Las Vegas. In the aftermath of that violence, Green said the nation needed time to heal.

Last month, Green's articles of impeachment reached the House floor.

This time, Green said some time still must pass before a floor vote, “because there still is a need for the public to weigh in.”

Still, he insisted, “the momentum is building; more people favor impeachment than not.”
Public Policy Polling survey released October 31 found 49% of voters supported impeaching Trump—a record level—versus 41% opposed to doing so.

Green said his colleagues could decide for themselves to vote for or against the articles of impeachment, to table them or even to send the issue to committee: “Whatever others will do is their choice. My conscience dictates that I will vote to impeach. Let others to what they may,” he said. “History will judge us all.”


As Green and his colleagues discuss impeachment, billionaire progressive activist Tom Steyer continues to air straight-to-camera ads in which he calls Trump a dangerous leader and urges Americans to sign a pro-impeachment petition. As of this week, about 1.7 million had done so.

While the general concept of impeachment may have some currency, including among the celebrity class, critics say billionaire Steyer's eight-digit campaign is an expensive trip to nowhere or a play to raise his profile before potentially seeking office himself.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California even said this week that if the Democrats win back her chamber in the 2018 midterms, impeachment would not be "someplace that I think we should go."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-impeachment-vote-happen-213100256.html

 

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Democrats say House Intel Committee Republicans are trying to thwart Russia probe
USA Today

Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee say their Republican colleagues are trying to thwart the Russia investigation by refusing to issue or enforce subpoenas for documents that could prove whether witnesses are lying. "If we're not willing to ******* them to give us the documents we need to question them, then we're essentially taking these witnesses at their word — and most of them are not worthy of being taken at their word," said Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif. The dispute over obtaining documents is part of a larger split between Republicans and Democrats on the committee, which was once known for its bipartisanship but has struggled to remain unified as it investigates Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a89d35d1-90db-3ee7-bf2b-7c1ec4a4275b/ss_democrats-say-house-intel.html


to bad we can't get the entire Republican party for Obstruction of Justice....and Cover-up

 

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you really have to love this.....after all he has done to try and stop/impede this investigation...going back to his little "visit" to the white house

Mueller investigation involves member of Congress for the first time: report

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is investigating a meeting between President Trump's former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), who has expressed pro-Russia views on a number of policies, according to NBC News. Mueller's team is reportedly looking at emails sent from Flynn's lobbying group to Rohrabacher thanking the congressman for his role in the meeting. NBC reports the meeting between Flynn and the congressman took place in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 20, 2016, while Flynn was working as an adviser to the Trump campaign. The meeting was reportedly organized by Flynn's lobbying group the Flynn Intel Group, and was also attended by Flynn's ******* ...


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...r-of-congress-for-the-first?hl=1&noRedirect=1

 

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I think Flynn might talk to save his ass....and even more so...his *******!
His ******* was the key to all those Russian propaganda on Hillary and had a lot to do with the campaign!
They are looking at his ******* now!
I think Flynn will do whatever to save his *******...to include selling Trump down the river

 

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The Russia collusion scandal is closing in on America's commander-in-chief of fake news
Business Insider

Donald Trump and the White House have made several hyperbolic claims about the Russia investigation. They seem to to focusing their distraction efforts on the so-called Steele dossier. In reality, the Russia investigation is picking up steam and threatens to derail Trump's presidency. President Donald Trump hasn't delivered on his campaign promise to create U.S. coal or steel jobs (foreign steel imports are up 27 percent this year), but he is creating a bonanza in the business of "fake news." Admittedly a lot of those jobs have been outsourced to Russia, but Trump is also providing plenty of employment at home. Even before Monday's bombshells from special counsel Robert Mueller - Trump's campaign ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a16a41...d8f063f9/ss_the-russia-collusion-scandal.html

 

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Wikileaks Told Trump Jr. To Tell His Dad To Not Concede If He Lost On Election Day
Newsweek John Haltiwanger,

Wikileaks urged Donald Trump Jr. to tell his ******* to not concede if he lost on Election Day, according to a bombshell report from The Atlantic that alleges the president's eldest baby and the transparency organization secretly corresponded in private direct messages on Twitter during the U.S. presidential campaign.

The messages were turned over to Congress and copies were obtained by The Atlantic.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-told-trump-jr-tell-224633964.html

 

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Politics

What more evidence of collusion do you need?
Washington Post

We know President Trump during the campaign publicly encouraged the Russians to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails. We know he referenced the WikiLeaks email dump 145 times in the closing days of the campaign. We also know that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with Russians in June 2016 with the promise of “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, and we have learned that campaign adviser George Papadopoulos had extensive contacts with Russian officials that included discussion of “dirt” on Clinton. To say that there is no evidence of collusion, then, would be one more big lie in a series of big lies the administration has deployed to defend ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/dea4a9c1-3da9-3d82-a0f1-29dbd2011f3d/ss_what-more-evidence-of.html

 

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Have you heard of Marat Mindiyarov, where he admits to being part of a group of trolls who placed false and misleading articles, comments, and news items all over the web on the orders of the Kremlin?????? To a point where Mr Trump used it in his tweets against HC?

 

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To a point where Mr Trump used it in his tweets against HC?

I knew trump was using remarks that were straight from Russia...but didn't know the guys name...
things are really starting to close in on him...best one was WikiLeaks telling him if he lost...not to concede....wonder what the plan was there?

 

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Marat Mindiyarov admits to having 20 30 accounts all designed and used to put false and mis-leading articles out there. Hell he down right admitted that an article that showed Obama as hitler and cartooned US as a fish eating the world was done on the express orders of the Kremlim. And that he recieved many more such orders.

 

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And that he recieved many more such orders

but the right STILL believes all that *******!...especially those Trumpies!

 

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House Dems introduce impeachment articles against Trump


A half-dozen Democrats on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, accusing him of obstruction of justice and other offenses, in a long-shot effort that stands little chance in the Republican-led House.

Indeed, the large majority of Democrats seem intent on having nothing to do with the effort either as lawmakers await the results of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Democratic leaders have argued that the impeachment campaign riles up Trump's GOP base, a critical bloc in next year's midterm elections.

The five articles accused the president of obstruction of justice related to the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, undermining the independence of the federal judiciary and other offenses.

"We have taken this action because of great concerns for the country and our Constitution and our national security and our democracy," Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said at a news conference to announce the effort.

Cohen said he understands that Republicans hold the majority in the House and are unlikely to allow hearings on the impeachment articles. He said the group will hold occasional briefings to explain each of the five articles of impeachment and where they believe Trump ran afoul of the law or committed misdeeds that warrant impeachment.

The obstruction of justice allegation stems from Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey, which the lawmakers say was designed to delay and impede an investigation.

The articles of impeachment also charge that Trump has accepted without the consent of Congress emoluments from foreign states and from the U.S. government. Finally, the articles of impeachment allege he has undermined the federal judiciary and the freedom of the press.

Cohen and other leaders of the impeachment effort disagreed that their effort could hurt Democrats in next year's congressional elections.

"I think the Democratic base needs to be activated. The Democratic base needs to know there are members of Congress willing to stand up against this president," Cohen said.

Other lawmakers who have signed onto to the resolution are Democratic Reps. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, Al Green of Texas, Marcia Fudge of Ohio, Adriano Espaillat of New York and John Yarmuth of Kentucky.

Gutierrez said he wasn't afraid to support the resolution despite the concerns of some fellow Democrats.

"I see a crime and I have a responsibility to dial 911 immediately. I don't call and try to reach consensus with all my neighbors and all my friends and those whose opinion I might seek out," Gutierrez said.

A spokesman for the Republican National Committee criticized the effort.

"House Democrats lack a positive message and are completely unwilling to work across the aisle, so instead they've decided to support a baseless radical effort that the vast majority of Americans disagree with," said spokesman Michael Ahrens.

 

[BigBlackBull76]

Have you heard of Marat Mindiyarov, where he admits to being part of a group of trolls who placed false and misleading articles, comments, and news items all over the web on the orders of the Kremlin?????? To a point where Mr Trump used it in his tweets against HC?

@DaphneD - I saw this article last week but didn't have time to post it (I have tons of ******* I never have time to post but I digress). Anyway - send me you link so I can check it out.

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Inside the Russian 'troll factory': How Putin's unlikely cyber recruits deployed waves of fake news articles, memes and divisive social media posts in the Kremlin's information war on the West

• Vitaly Bespalov, 23, was at the heart of Russia's information war on the West
• He worked at the St Petersburg 'troll factory' that is being scrutinized by US intelligence committee's investigation on Russian interference
• Vitaly revealed the secrets of life inside the troll factory in War in 140 Characters, a new book by journalist David Patrikarakos
• He says from inside the troll factory, Putin's cyber army deployed wave after wave of fake news articles and divisive social media posts
• Highly-organized strategy is credited with playing a role in toppling Hillary Clinton's presidential bid and helping Donald Trump win the White House
• The fake news machine was creative with memes being deployed as click bait

With his Marilyn Manson and Winnie the Pooh tattoos, Vitaly Bespalov appears an unlikely foot soldier for Vladimir Putin.

Yet for several months, the slight, 23-year-old with a mop of blonde hair was at the heart of Russia's information war on the West.

Vitaly was an employee of 55 Savushkina Street, the St Petersburg 'troll factory' now being scrutinized in the Senate intelligence committee's investigation on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

From inside the unremarkable office building, Putin's cyber army deployed wave after wave of fake news articles and divisive social media posts. The highly-organized strategy is credited with playing a role in toppling Hillary Clinton's presidential bid and helping Donald Trump win the White House.

Vitaly revealed the secrets of life inside the troll factory in War in 140 Characters, a new book by journalist David Patrikarakos, obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com.

Vitaly Bespalov worked at the St Petersburg 'troll factory' now being scrutinized in the Senate intelligence committee's investigation on Russian interference in the 2016 US election

Vitaly studied journalism in his native Tyumen, a Siberian city rooted in the Soviet era, some 1600 miles from Moscow, but he dreamed of being a journalist in a large, cosmopolitan city. In March 2014, he began working at Nevia.ru, a politics-focused news site in St Petersburg.

Six months later, the website was shut down after funding, which came from an EU-based company, was cut off amid sanctions on Russia following its military occupation of Ukrainian territory that spring.

The 23-year-old was left floundering in an expensive city and bombarded every publication he could think of with his resume. After a month of hunting for work, Vitaly received a call asking him to come for an interview. He was given the address but the caller failed to mention the name of the company. He was also unable to remember which of his applications had led to the opportunity.

He arrived early the following day and waited in reception. The number of security personnel, dressed in military-style uniforms, was curiously high for a media business, Vitaly noted. Entering the building also required using a special security pass via a turnstile – another unusual occurrence.

As he waited, he witnessed a disturbing incident. A woman stormed pass him and out of the building, having apparently been asked for her passport information during her interview. 'I would never work as a lawyer in this shrashkina kontora [a swindler's outfit],' she yelled.

When it came to Vitaly's turn, he was interviewed by a woman of about 30, called Anna. She asked to see his portfolio and had him fill out a form with his address, passport information, phone number, previous places he had worked, his parents and brothers names and addresses. Anna explained that it was for 'security reasons'.

She explained that the job would entail rewriting news articles about Ukraine. Vitaly asked out right if he would be expected to write propaganda. He was told no, that the stories should be 'neutral'. Then came a test: Vitaly was asked to rewrite any news story about Ukraine which he found online and stick to the facts. The task was easy for a trained journalist.

The operation was carried out at 55 Savushkina Street, which was a dreary four-story building of concrete slabs and glass. Vitaly recalled the inside looking like a hospital with its corridors

Vitaly had been working as a journalist at Nevia.ru, a politics-focused news site in St Petersburg, in 2014 until funding was cut off after six months. He had handed out his resume to a number of media companies before he received a call asking him to come for an interview

With his Marilyn Manson and Winnie the Pooh tattoos, Vitaly appears an unlikely foot soldier for Putin, but he says he was at the heart of Russia's information war on the West

The pay was also far higher than average for such non-taxing work – 45,000 rubles (then around $900) a month.

He was told the next day that he was hired because the company's security service had approved his application.

Despite lingering doubts over the nature of the work, Vitaly arrived for his first day at 55 Savushkina Street, a dreary four-story building of concrete slabs and glass. He recalled that inside, the corridors were like a 'hospital: bleak and gloomy, with doors at regular intervals on each side'.

He worked in an open-plan room, which reminded him of an IT classroom in a Russian school. The walls were bare and the furnishings were the cheapest of the cheap. The computer work stations were angled so that everyone could see what you were writing at all times.

Once he was inside, Anna, who turned out to be his boss, explained he was on the 'Ukraine 2' project – writing articles for a site called worldukraine.com.ua. The .ua URL was used to mislead readers into thinking that the site was based in Ukraine and not Russia. The Russian location was hidden by proxy servers.

He was never told what he was doing or why, and Anna didn't appear to know either.

There was no training but Vitaly figured out his role relying on what he had learned at old job. He also found himself coming to the rescue of any clueless, new arrivals to the team.

The expectation was to rewrite 20 articles, of around 800 words, each day. Although he had been reassured that he wouldn't be expected to write anti-Ukraine propaganda, as he was seeing all over the Russian media including on state broadcaster RT, his suspicions remained. The pay was too good to be true for such basic work.

His bosses reinforced that the goal was to have the articles reach the top of Google searches and the Russian equivalent, Yandex. Social media was also extremely important and articles were aggressively promoted on platforms where they could gain the most traffic.

Vitaly says he worked in an open-plan room, which reminded him of an IT classroom. The computers were angled so that people could see what you were writing at all times




Memes were deployed as click bait, including one created after the sanctions on Russian portraying Putin knocking out Obama in a boxing ring



Vitaly also got a particularly good response from a two-panel meme he posted that included a photo of an angry-looking Obama saying 'We don't talk to terrorists' and a smiling photo of him with the caption 'We just finance them'

Vitaly followed the guidelines: the facts of the original article remained the same but chunks of text were rewritten. He was ordered to change words like 'terrorist' to 'militia' and instead of 'Ukrainian Army' write 'national guard'. Most crucially – Russia could not be criticized in any way.

The operation had four floors. Vitaly initially worked in the 'media holdings department', filled with dozens of people writing stories for a dozen Russian and fake Ukrainian websites.

On the second floor, a social media department came up with cartoons and memes to support Russian policy.

The third floor was reserved for bloggers writing fake blogs. They would pretend to be Ukrainians writing about how terrible their lives were and how they had no food, heating or electricity. The intent was to bolster the Russian campaign against Ukraine and make it appear in a positive light.

They would also blog in English, pretending to be Americans criticizing Obama over his Russia policy. They would create fake American blogs or take information from pro-Russia, English language websites and present those views as representative of the English-speaking world.

These blogs would then become 'sources' for the fake articles.

'It was a merry-go-round of lies,' Vitaly said.

The canteen was on the fourth floor along with workers whose only job was to post antagonizing comments on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

There was open, mutual dislike between the floors. Those on the first floor – who tended to be journalists fallen on hard times – looked down on the other staff. Some had only elementary school educations and were considered 'red necks'.

'We may be trolls but you are uneducated trolls was the feeling,' Vitaly said.

Hundreds of people are believed to have worked at 55 Savushkina The vast majority of employees were young and female, between the ages of 25 and 30 years old. A dress-code was non-existent – piercings, outrageous hairstyles and tattoos were typical.

After a few weeks at 55 Savushkina, the point of his job, and the company, was clear to Vitaly: to encourage ill will towards Ukraine and the U.S. and to fire people up with anger

Day to day, stress was minimal but strict time-keeping was a non-negotiable offense. Employees clocked in with an ID card at 9am - if you were late even by a minute, then you would be fined. An hour late and you would be sent home without pay.

From 9am until the half-hour lunch break at 1pm, Vitaly cranked out around 18 rewritten stories. He would do a few more until 2pm and then spend the rest of the working day, which ended at 5.30pm, surfing the Internet and chatting online with friends.

Vitaly made no secret that he hated the job in his personal social media posts. 'Look at the nonsense I am doing' he would type alongside a tweet of the article he had written.

He made a work friend, Evgenia, and the pair would take smoke breaks together. They found common ground complaining about the job and their colleagues. Evgenia worked on the 'Ukraine 1' team – rewriting news stories for Nahnews.org – supposedly a news site in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv – but in reality right next door to Vitaly's office.

Vitaly revealed the secrets of life inside the troll factory in War in 140 Characters , a new book by journalist David Patrikarakos

Ukraine 1 was, without a doubt, pro-Russia and got more than 100,000 visitors a day compared to Ukraine 2's paltry few hundred. Evgenia revealed that Ukraine 1 operation was strictly controlled and editors pored over their work, giving constant critiques. The aim was to undermine the Ukrainian Army and boost the Russian-backed militia, she explained. If the Ukrainian Army said they had taken control of an area – nahnews.com would say it was lie.

Vitaly came to the conclusion that 'Ukraine 1' was a test to discern if he was loyal to the company, since his previous work had liberal leanings.

He came to learn that the owner of the operation was Yevgeny Prigozhin – a 55-year-old former convict and hot dog salesman, known as 'Putin's chef'.

Prigozhin is a member of the Kremlin's inner circle after striking up a friendship with the Russian leader in 2001 when Putin happened to dine at his modest restaurant in St Petersburg. Soon, he was in charge of organizing Putin's birthday parties.

Prigozhin once spent nine years in a Siberian prison on robbery and violence charges, but since his elevation to Putin confidant, has raked in $3 billion over the last five years in Kremlin contracts, including his covert IT work, respected anti-Putin campaigner Alexei Navalny, who runs an organisation called the Anti-Corruption Fund, told DailyMail.com earlier this month.

A CNN investigation revealed last month that the monthly budget for the St Petersburg operation in 2013 was around $1million.

After a few weeks at 55 Savushkina, the point of his job, and the company, was clear to Vitaly: to encourage ill will towards Ukraine and the U.S. and to fire people up with anger.

Vitaly's (above with a friend) success at work was measured in the number of visitors to the site. He says when he could no longer deny that he was troll, he started to rebel in the company

He described the troll farm as 'like he was in a reality show, controlled by external powers that tested just how long people could tolerate senseless work. He was also reminded of George Orwell's 1984.'

He bounced around several departments including social media. The work was mind-numbing – his sole task was to promote the fake websites on platforms.

Vitaly was given handfuls of SIM cards from which to register multiple accounts. He always pretended to be a woman, as the theory was those accounts would be deemed more trustworthy.

The fake news machine was creative: memes were deployed as click bait, particularly ones about leaders who were hostile to Russia's campaign on Ukraine – Obama, German chancellor Angela Merkel and Ukrainian politicians were all targeted. Mocking Putin was absolutely not allowed.

One particularly popular meme, created after the sanctions on Russian, portrayed Putin knocking out Obama in a boxing ring.

Vitaly also got a particularly good response from a two-panel meme he posted that included a photo of an angry-looking Obama saying 'We don't talk to terrorists' and a smiling photo of him with the caption 'We just sponsor them'.

Vitaly's success at work was measured in the number of visitors to the site – if he posted a link and traffic spiked, it was a good day at the office.

He fell into a routine, seeking out photos of Merkel and superimposing a Hitler moustache on her; placing Ukrainian male politicians' heads on women's bodies; making Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko look like a pig.

After Vitaly quit the company at the end of 2014, he wrote an anonymous expose on the troll farm. He says an hour after it was published, his old boss sent him an abusive message and he began receiving threatening phone calls

Vitaly could no longer deny that he was troll and he started to rebel – sometimes he worked against the operation from the inside by deliberately not spreading the 'fake news' that he knew would be popular.

At the end of 2014, after three and a half months, he quit having developed problems with his nerves and an unshakeable feeling of being 'dirty'.

After he left the company, he contacted a reputable news organizations to see if they would be interested in an expose of the troll farm. He wrote an anonymous article, pretending to be a woman, which garnered a great deal of attention.

An hour after it was published, his old boss Anna sent him a long and abusive message, saying that he was 'a b****** who couldn't do anything for himself but only go behind people's backs and spoiled things for others'.

'You may think of yourself as a hero but in reality you're just a little ******* of a b****', Anna wrote.

Vitaly began to receive threatening phone calls, with male voices threatening violence, blocked numbers. He became afraid to walk alone.

He accepts that he was a troll in Putin's information war but warned: 'It's a kind of legalized corruption. And worst of all, I think the government believes it's a patriotic duty to set up initiatives like this.'

The Kremlin officially denies all knowledge of the troll factory and questions its existence.

Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said: 'We know nothing about this agency and have never had any contacts with it… even if it exists indeed.'

War in 140 Characters by journalist David Patrikarakos is on sale from November 14.

David Patrikarakos is on Twitter, @dpatrikarakos

ref: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5074671/Russian-troll-factory-recruits-fake-news.html

 

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This was a great counter-post I read on the Impeachment of Trump business. I'm not a believer in waiting till the Mueller Investigation is over, nah we wan't him removed from office by impeachment now - the crimes have already been committed. I'll let the great congressman who filed the articles for impeachment of Trump tell it best here:

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Enjoy for everyone who thinks Trump won't be impeached and is innocent - or you just love Trump that much.



A while back I figured out a trick for using Twitter as a tool to find out what sorts of things establishment loyalists really don’t want me saying. Once I discover a really hot button, I write an article that bangs on that button as hard as possible. One of those buttons is expressing my certainty that Robert Mueller’s investigation will never, ever find any proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election using hackers and propaganda.


We are not allowed to say such things. If you debate a Russiagater for any length of time and you know how to debunk their assertions, they always, always, always wind up resorting to a “just you wait until Mueller finishes his investigation” declaration, which from my point of view is the same as debating a fundamentalist Christian whose argument boils down to “Well I’ll be proven right when you die and God sends you to Hell!”


You can always feel right if you kick the can around some corner in the future that can’t be seen and analyzed critically. Luckily for us, we’ve got information that we can look at right now which does not require any religious faith...



We know from the Snowden leaks on the NSA, the CIA files released by WikiLeaks, and the ongoing controversies regarding FBI surveillance that the US intelligence community has the most expansive, most sophisticated and most intrusive surveillance network in the history of human civilization.


Following the presidential election last year, anonymous sources from within the intelligence community were hemorrhaging leaks to the press on a regular basis that were damaging to the incoming administration.


If there was any evidence to be found that Donald Trump colluded with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election using hackers and propaganda, the US intelligence community would have found it and leaked it to the New York Times or the Washington Post last year.


Mueller isn’t going to find anything in 2017 that these vast, sprawling networks wouldn’t have found in 2016. He’s not going to find anything by “following the money” that couldn’t be found infinitely more efficaciously via Orwellian espionage. The factions within the intelligence community that were working to sabotage the incoming administration last year would have leaked proof of collusion if they’d had it. They did not have it then, and they do not have it now. Mueller will continue finding evidence of corruption throughout his investigation, since corruption is to DC insiders as water is to fish, but he will not find evidence of collusion to win the 2016 election that will lead to Trump’s impeachment. It will not happen.


This sits on top of all the many, many, many reasons to be extremely suspicious of the Russiagate narrative in the first place.


Russia-gate's Shaky Doundation - The Russia-gate hysteria now routinely includes rhetoric about the U.S. being at “war” with nuclear-armed Russia, but the shaky factual foundation continues to show more cracks, as historian Daniel Herman describes.





Russigate Is More Fiction Than Fact - From accusations of Trump campaign collusion to Russian Facebook ad buys, the media has substituted hype for evidence.





The Big Fat Compendium Of Russiagate Debunkery - Russiagate is like a mirage: from a distance it looks like something, but once you move in for a closer look, there’s nothing there. Nothing. Nothing solid, nothing substantial, nothing you can point at and say, “Here it is."


Humans are storytelling creatures.


The most significant and most underappreciated facet of our existence is how much of our interface with the world consists not of our direct experience of it, but of our mental stories about it. Combine that fact with the century of research and development that has gone into refining propaganda tactics and the US plutocracy’s stranglehold on mainstream media, and you get a nation lost in establishment narratives. People forming their worldviews based on phantasms of the mind instead of concrete facts.


I’ve noticed a strange uptick in establishment loyalists speaking to me as though Trump-Russia collusion is already an established fact, and that I’m simply not well-informed. There is still the same amount of publicly available evidence for this collusion as there ever was (zero), so this tells me that the only thing which has changed is the narrative. Pundits/propagandists are increasingly speaking as though this is something that has already been established, and the people who consume that propaganda go out and circulate it as though it’s an established fact. When you’re not plugged into that echo chamber, though, it looks very weird.


This is why Russiagaters find my certainty that collusion will never be proven so intensely abrasive. Their entire worldview consists of pure narrative?—?literally nothing other than authoritative assertions from pundits who speak in a confident tone of voice?—?so when they encounter someone doing the same thing but with hard facts, it causes psychological discomfort. This discomfort is called cognitive dissonance. It’s what being wrong feels like.


The Only People Who Still Believe In Russiagate Are Those Who Desperately Need To...





I mean, I get it. Really, I do. When I stop listening to the narratives of both his supporters and his detractors and just look at the hard facts, from my point of view Trump is doing some really shitty things and doesn’t seem much different from his neoliberal neocon predecessors. Republicans are horrible, and he seems pretty much like a garden variety Republican who says rude things on Twitter. If I look at those hard facts, then add in two years of psychological ******* by the corporate media telling Americans that Trump is an evil Nazi who will turn the country into a smouldering crater, I can understand why people would be in a hurry to get him out of office.


And when I converse with Russiagaters, that’s generally what this boils down to. “Impeach Trump” is a punishment in search of a crime. They’ve been whipped into a frenzied state of fear by establishment psyops, and they want Mueller to pull a deus ex machina and save them from the evil orange monster. They believe Mueller will get Trump impeached for Russian collusion because they badly want to.


It’s not going to happen, though. Deus ex Mueller isn’t coming. You’re going to have to solve your country’s problems yourselves, America.


And this is actually a good thing, because Trump is not the source of your country’s problems. Believing that a Trump impeachment will fix any of America’s major ills is like believing cough suppressants cure pneumonia. What do you get when you have pneumonia and you take cough suppressants instead of antibiotics? You get wrong-sounding Muppets, that’s what.


If you attribute all your problems to Trump, you’re guaranteeing more Trumps after him, because you’re not addressing the disease which created him, you’re just addressing the symptom.


The problem is not Trump.


The problem is that America is ruled by an unelected power establishment which maintains its rule by sabotaging democracy, exacerbating economic injustice and expanding the US war machine.


Stop listening to the lies that they pipe into your echo chambers and turn to face your real demons.


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ref: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ain-mueller-wont-prove-trump-russia-collusion

 

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I'm not a believer in waiting till the Mueller Investigation is over, nah we wan't him removed from office by impeachment now - the crimes have already been committed.

they have more than enough to impeach him now....and yet won't pull the trigger...I think waiting for the Mueller report is just stalling...so the right can push through some of their "hatchet" jobs on taxes and healthcare
If they were serious about impeachment they already have enough...by waiting they get some of their "dirty" ******* done...and then when the country is pissed at their *******...and about the same time the Mueller report comes out...just before the election...they will impeach and blame it all on Trump...and con the public into buying it all!
in the meantime the country keeps getting fucked...and Russia still pulling Trumps strings!

 

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Is Russian money funding Trump’s defense against collusion charges?
Newsweek

Piece by piece, we continue to learn about Russia’s assault on the 2016 election: cyberattacks on voting systems in 39 states; troll farms that pushed divisive political messages to millions of viewers on social media; and likely involvement in the leaking of information to influence the outcome of the election, potentially including the information shared directly with Donald Trump Jr. by WikiLeaks. Just this week, we’ve learned that the FBI is now looking into dozens of money transfers sent by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to its embassies across the globe, totaling more than $380,000 and bearing the subject line “to finance election campaign of 2016.” We don’t know for what purpose ...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/882d3aef-ada2-357b-ad61-c058a5afe179/ss_is-russian-money-funding.html

 

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Russian ambassador needs 20 minutes to list Trump officials he's met or talked to
Newsweek


The former Russian ambassador at the heart of the Trump-Russia election meddling allegations said Wednesday it would take him more than “20 minutes” to name all of the president’s former campaign team members he has spoken with, while again denying he was involved in any foul play. Sergey Kislyak, who while ambassador to the U.S. reportedly met with top Trump officials including Jeff Sessions, who is now the attorney general, Trump *******-in-law Jared Kushner, now a White House adviser, and Mike Flynn, who served briefly as Trump's national security adviser, told state-run television channel Russia-1 the allegations made against his country were “very sad,” according to CNBC. When asked to list ...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/df5f3e...c8960b91b/ss_russian-ambassador-needs-20.html

 

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FUCK DRUMF & HIS CABAL OF MERRY MEN FOR REAL. DAM THEY ARE THE WORST BATCH OF LYING ASS BASTARDS TO EVER ENTER THE WHITE-HOUSE, JEEZ. EVEN THE BUSH FAMILY IS CONDEMNING THEM AND YOU HAVE TO BE DOING SOMETHING REAL FUCKED UP FOR THE BUSHES TO COME OUT AND TALK AS THEY DONT HAVE ALOT OF ROOM TO BE SAYING MUCH ANYTHING THEMSELVES.

STUFF IS DRIPPING OUT WEEK AFTER WEEK AND THIS IS DEFINITELY TURNING OUT TO BE BIGGER THAN WATER-GATE BUT INSTEAD OF THE NIXON TAPES ITS THE EMAILS.

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• Jared Kushner was copied on emails sent to the Trump campaign last year from Sergei Millian, a Belarus-born businessman who was reportedly a key source in the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump and Russia.
• Millian told associates last year that he was in regular touch with George Papadopoulos — a campaign foreign policy adviser who lied to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Kremlin-linked foreign nationals.
• Millian's relationship with Papadopoulos, who was told in April 2016 that the Kremlin had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, raises questions about what they discussed during the election and what they relayed to campaign officials.

President Donald Trump's *******-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, was copied on emails sent to the Trump campaign last year from Sergei Millian, the Belarus-born businessman who has worked with the Trump Organization and was reportedly a key source in the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump and Russia.


Senate Judiciary Committee leaders said on Thursday that Trump campaign officials had handed over "communications with Sergei Millian, copied to Mr. Kushner," that Kushner had apparently failed to disclose voluntarily. Kushner also received an email that discussed a "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite" from Alexander Torshin, the deputy head of Russia's central bank, according to NBC.


It is still unclear who was communicating with Millian, but a Washington Post profile from March could offer a clue: Millian told associates last year that he was in regular touch with George Papadopoulos — a campaign foreign policy adviser who pleaded guilty late last month to making false statements to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Kremlin-linked foreign nationals.


Papadopoulos tried to connect another Trump aide, Boris Epshtyn, with Millian in September 2016, according to the Post. Epshtyn said the meeting never happened.


Millian, who is now a US citizen, founded the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce in 2006 and has described himself as an exclusive broker for the Trump Organization with respect to the company's potential real-estate dealings in Russia. He attended several black-tie events at Trump's inauguration, and told the Russian news agency RIA that he had been in touch with the Trump Organization as late as April 2016.

Sergei Millian at an event following Trump's inauguration on January 20th. Screenshot/Facebook


It was around that time that Millian's organization, the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce, was looking for "delegates" to attend the Russian Oil & Gas Forum in Moscow.


But Millian appears to have begun downplaying his ties to the Trump Organization after Western reporters started digging into Trump's Russia ties last summer.


Contrary to what he told RIA, Millian told Business Insider in an email earlier this year that the last time he worked on a Trump-brand project was "in Florida around 2008." He did not respond to a request to clarify the discrepancy.


Millian and the dossier

Millian is also believed to be a key source in a collection of unverified memos known as the Steele dossier — named after its author, former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. The memos outline Trump and his campaign members' ties to Russian officials and allege Moscow and the Trump campaign worked hand in hand at points to influence the US election.


ABC reported in January that "while the published [Trump-Russia] dossier never names Millian, a version provided to the FBI included Millian’s name as a source." The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal reported later that Millian was either source "D" or "E" in the dossier, which Millian has denied.


Source D, according to the dossier, had been "present" for Trump's alleged "perverted conduct in Moscow."


Millian has worked with Rossotrudnichestvo, a Russian government organization whose "fundamental" goal is to familiarize "young people from different countries" with Russian culture through exchange trips to Moscow. The FBI has investigated whether Rossotrudnichestvo is a front for the Russian government to cultivate "young, up-and-coming Americans as Russian intelligence assets" — a theory Rossotrudnichestvo has strongly denied.


In January, however, Millian told mom Jones he "never got any business with Rossotrudnichestvo." He did not respond to requests from Business Insider to clarify that discrepancy.


Source E, meanwhile," acknowledged that the Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC), to the WikiLeaks platform," according to the dossier.


Source E also claimed that the Trump campaign and Russia had moles in the Democratic Party; that US-based "cyber operators" were coordinating attacks on the DNC and Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta; and that these operators were being paid covertly via Russian "diplomatic staff" in "key" US cities via that Russia's emigre pension system.

Papadopoulos proposed a Trump-Putin meeting during a March 2016 meeting with Sessions, Gordon, and other campaign foreign policy advisers. Screenshot/Twitter


"I am one of those very few people who have insider knowledge of Kremlin politics who has the ability to understand the Russian mentality and who has been able to successfully integrate in American society," Millian told ABC in July 2016.


The same source is quoted in the dossier as saying the Trump campaign was "relatively relaxed" about the attention on Trump's reported ties to Russia "because it deflected media and the Democrats' attention away from Trump's business dealings in China."


Millian has worked as the "vice president of the World Chinese Merchants Union Association" since 2015, according to his LinkedIn page. He wrote last April that he traveled to Beijing to meet with a Chinese official and the Russian ambassador to the Republic of San Marino.


Millian's relationship with Papadopoulos raises questions

Millian's relationship with Papadopoulos, moreover — who was told in April 2016 that the Kremlin had "dirt" on Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails" — raises questions about what they discussed during the election and what they relayed to campaign officials.


According to documents filed by special counsel Robert Mueller's office and unsealed late last month, Papadopoulos met with a "professor" in London "on or about April 26, 2016" who told him that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.


"During this meeting, the Professor told defendant that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high-level Russian government officials," one document says.


"The professor told defendant that on that trip he (the professor) learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on then-candidate Clinton. The professor told defendant Papadopoulos, as Papadopoulos later described to the FBI, that 'they [the Russians] have dirt on her'; 'the Russians had emails on Clinton'; 'they have thousands of emails.'"


The document suggests Papadopoulos had known that Russia was actively trying to undermine Clinton before virtually anyone else, and it matches some of what the dossier's "source E" — believed to be Millian — told an associate who then relayed it to Christopher Steele.


Still, it remains unclear whether Papadopoulos told anyone on the campaign, or connected to it, about what he had learned. The day after his meeting with the professor, Papadopoulos emailed one of the campaign's top policy advisers, Stephen Miller, saying he had "some interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a trip when the time is right."

ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/jare...-millian-dossier-papadopoulous-russia-2017-11

 

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• Special counsel Robert Mueller is getting ready to interview Hope Hicks, the White House communications director and one of President Donald Trump's closest aides.
  
• Hicks was present during several moments leading up to Trump's decision to fire FBI director James Comey.

• Mueller also asked the Department of Justice for documents related to Comey's firing and Attorney General Jeff Sessions' recusal from the Russia investigation.

• Comey's firing makes up the basis of an obstruction-of-justice case Mueller is building against Trump, and experts say Mueller's document requests and readiness to interview one of Trump's key advisers indicate that the case is nearing its conclusion.

A report from Politico this week, which found that special counsel Robert Mueller is gearing up to interview White House communications director Hope Hicks, indicates that a significant part of the Russia investigation is likely moving into its final stages.


Hicks has long been one of President Donald Trump's most trusted advisers, and she was present during some events that are key to the special counsel's investigation.


Mueller's probe includes multiple components. In addition to looking into whether members of the Trump campaign colluded with Moscow to tilt the 2016 election in his favor, the special counsel is also investigating Trump for obstruction of justice related to his decision to fire FBI director James Comey.


As part of that investigation, ABC News reported on Sunday that Mueller has asked the Department of Justice for all emails that are connected to Comey's firing.


Mueller has also requested documents related to Attorney General Jeff Sessions' recusal from the Russia investigation. Sessions announced in March that he would be recusing himself from the probe after it emerged that he had failed to disclose his contacts with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's former ambassador to the US, during his Senate confirmation hearing in January.


Despite his recusal, Sessions played a prominent role in Comey's firing, along with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.


Hicks was also a key presence during a number of critical moments leading up to Comey's dismissal.


Comey was spearheading the FBI's Russia investigation when he was terminated as FBI director in May. At first, the White House said he was fired because of his handling of the bureau's investigation into former secretary of state Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server to conduct government business. But Trump later told NBC's Lester Holt that "this Russia thing" had been a factor in his decision.


The biggest challenge a prosecutor faces in an obstruction-of-justice case is proving corrupt intent, which is almost always difficult to establish. But Trump's public statements bashing Comey and the investigation, as well as a draft letter he put together with adviser Stephen Miller in early May laying out his reasons for firing Comey, could change the ballgame.


"The best way to prove someone's intent is through their own words and actions," former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti told Business Insider in an earlier interview. "Here, you have a letter that was written by Miller, at the direction of the president, that contains what the president's thoughts were at that time."


Hicks was with Trump the weekend he and Miller drafted the letter. She was also with Trump in the Oval Office for a meeting on May 8, the day before Trump fired Comey. During the meeting, Trump described the letter that he and Miller had composed.


Though its full contents remain unclear, The Washington Post reported that it focused on what was perhaps Trump's greatest frustration with Comey: that the FBI director did not publicly announce, when he was leading the bureau's investigation, that Trump was not personally under investigation.

James Comey. AP


Mueller's obstruction-of-justice case is 'probably coming to a close'

Mueller's document requests to the DOJ and the fact that he is preparing to interview Hicks signals that he is close to concluding the obstruction-of-justice case he has been building against Trump.


"When you're interviewing people in a large-scale investigation like this, you generally start at the bottom and move towards the top," Mariotti said. "As you interview lower-level advisers, sometimes they give you information that makes you realize there are additional documents you need to obtain or interviews you need to conduct, before working your way up."


Adam Goldberg, who served as a White House lawyer in President Bill Clinton's administration, echoed that point.


"Anytime you can get someone who is the right-hand person or who’s been around the primary target of an investigation, under oath, answering detailed questions, means you’ve progressed very far along in the investigation," Goldberg told Politico.


Though the president's defense attorneys, like White House lawyer Ty Cobb, have expressed confidence that the Russia probe will conclude by as soon as the end of the calendar year, sources close to the investigation told The Washington Post on Sunday that they expect the investigation to continue deep into 2018, and possibly beyond that.


Mueller's team took over the FBI's investigation in May, when he was appointed special counsel following Comey's firing. Prosecutors have so far extracted a guilty plea from former Trump campaign foreign-policy adviser George Papadopoulos, who was charged with one count of lying to federal agents about his contacts with individuals who claimed to be linked to the Russian government.


In October, Mueller indicted former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his associate Rick Gates on charges of money laundering and their work as foreign agents.


Hicks' testimony could be useful for other parts of the investigation as well. In addition to being privy to Trump's thoughts leading up to his decision to fire Comey, Hicks was also with the president on Air ******* One when he "dictated" an initially misleading statement that his *******, Donald Trump Jr., issued in response to reports that he met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer at Trump Tower in June 2016.


The statement had to be amended several times after it emerged that Trump Jr. took the meeting when he was offered dirt on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."


Hicks was among the advisers who believed the White House should release a truthful statement that could not be repudiated if more details surfaced later, the Post reported. They were ultimately overruled, and the special counsel is now scrutinizing Trump's response to determine what he knew about the meeting and whether he acted to conceal its purpose.


She was also one of the campaign officials who was notified that Trump Jr. was in contact with WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign.


"People shouldn't think of this investigation as one big indictment that's going to come out charging everyone who's involved," Mariotti said. "There are going to be pieces of it that come out bit by bit."


But for now, he added, "it looks like the obstruction of justice aspect of the case is probably coming to a close."

ref: http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-russia-hope-hicks-obstruction-of-justice-2017-11

 

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Mueller's obstruction-of-justice case is 'probably coming to a close'

I'm more than ready for the impeachment proceedings to start...got mixed emotions on weather I want to see Pence involved in some or all of this also....lose Pence and we then have Ryan...damn it just keeps going down hill and getting worse...so will settle for trump impeachment and a few serving some time and live with pence for a couple of years...and hope he doesn't use the bible to fuck the country the way he has in the past