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You do realize the before Russia annexed Crimea, the U.S. was trying to find common ground with the Poroshenko regime, right? Why would you be tough on someone that you are trying have a working relationship with?

Yes, I do realize that. But you do understand that your acknowledgement of this commonly know fact really makes the argument about Trump deteriorate? Becuase what poeple are alleging on here is that Trump is weak ofn Russia, and the staed policy is to get alnong with Russia.

That's obviously incorrect. Trump's strategy, and his administrations actions, not words, are the Ronald Reagan strategy. It started quite some time ago, but became clear (for those who think) in Helsinki. It became more clear with the aid package to Ukraine.

Notwithstanding what people post, think, or what news media reports.
 
So then you admit that your chest pounding on Trump being "tougher on Russia" than Clinton and Bush, is just that.

It easy to be the tallest man in the room when everybody else is a woman.
 
Considering Trump can't decide whether be believes the intelligence community on the consensus of Russian interference in the 2016 election (in his favor) he hasn't been particularly tough.

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No. The position this administration has on Russia is the most punitive is recent history. You can't really compare extremely tough measures, to virtually no meaningful measures at all from Clinton, Bush and Obama. Although it appears most on here are trying.

But this is all process. As I have posted, using expert sources who are largely unbiased, or biased towards the side I don't support, the results will soon speak for themselves.

There are documented results from Clinton, Bush and Obama. All failures. And Obama's administration failing miserably not only in Russia, but in virtually all of his foreign policy. Not me saying this. Foreign policy experts saying this, and even left leaning foreign policy experts saying this.

With Trump, we have some results not fully developed. We'll see how it plays out in both Russia and North Korea.
 
No meaningful measures from Obama? Well that is just misinformed.

Post one that had positive results. Please make sure to post the positive results.
 
North Korea? Really? Trump was played there.

He was? Are you predicting the future, or can you post a fact to support this? As far as I can tell, we've had no new nuke or missile tests. Please post where NoKo is going forward.
 
No meaningful measures from Obama? Well that is just misinformed.

Post one that had positive results. Please make sure to post the positive results.
Please post the positive results from Trump's foreign policies. Trying to sabotage NATO and starting trade wars don't count.
 
Please enlighten me. Show me the debunking.

I see your strategy. You post your opinion, then ask me to provide links. All the while only providing links by biased, and often time debunked sources.

I asked a question. Has tehire been a missile launch, or nuclear test recently?

Let's start by you actually answering something, before you start demanding that I post links.
 
I see your strategy. You post your opinion, then ask me to provide links. All the while only providing links by biased, and often time debunked sources.

I asked a question. Has tehire been a missile launch, or nuclear test recently?

Let's start by you actually answering something, before you start demanding that I post links.

You say debunked. I ask for proof. Otherwise that is just your opinion, right?

So you think just because there are no tests, that means something? What it may mean is that they have ended R&D. I can't think of the last test by a nuclear capable country. You know why? Because they don't need to test anymore.

I find you standard interesting. You demand support from unbiased sources, yet when I request you do the same, you tap dance around it.
 
My point is pretty clear. The policy / ideology you favor has failed. This is documented. In fact, appeasement has rarely, if ever succeeded.

Trump, who you don't like, and I am indifferent to, is using Reagan's economic and military strength. This strategy has been documented as being successful. It has been in ******* less than 2 years.

The strategy you favor has had at least 15 years to produce results. Positive results. And yet we find ourselves here today.

Your response is to demand Trump's results from less than 2 years in office.

It is not a reasonable position. It is an emotional position, but not reasonable.
 
Trump, who you don't like, and I am indifferent to, is using Reagan's economic and military strength. This strategy has been documented as being successful. It has been in ******* less than 2 years.



Reagan is directly responsible for destroying the Middle Class of America, and I am not the only one who thinks so. A number of political analysts have written on this very subject.

James Joiner on allvoices.com calls him "the destroyer of main street" and "the ******* of this nightmare we are living.

He goes on to state of the Republicans: "They call themselves the party of Ronald Reagan! That scares the hell out of me because Reagan was the ******* of the war mongering high Deficit compassionate Conservatives that gave Birth to much war present and future unless Obama can turn around the disaster they created around the world with their war mongering!" (http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...in-street-and-a-ronald-reagan-jr-i-agree-with).

Pablo Mayhew, a columnist on rawstory.com goes so far as to refer to Reagan as a criminal no better than his Republican predecessor, Richard Nixon. He relates Reagan's role in the Iran-Contra affair in which Reagan pled "forgetfulness" when pressed about it.

Mayhew concludes with these words: " as one great writer has contended, that Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream, then Reagan broke its back Now.... the American Dream is clearly down for the count." (http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/mayhew/reagan_destroyed_american_dream.htm)

And listen to what Thom Hartmann, prominent television and radio talk show host and commentator, had to say about the devastation today on our economy that was the direct result, he reports, of Reaganomics when he appeared as a guest on Dateline just prior to Obama taking office.

"when Reagan came into office we were the largest exporter of manufacturing goods and the largest importer of raw materials on the planet. And, the largest creditor--more people owed us money than anybody else in the world. Now, just 28 years later, we're the largest importer of finished goods, manufactured goods; the largest exporter of raw materials--which is kind of the definition of a third-world nation -- and we're the most in-debt of any country in the world. This is the absolute consequence of Reaganomics." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/thom-hartmann-defends-the_b_150964.html)

These graphs bear out exactly what all these people have been saying about Reagan being directly responsible for destroying America and the Middle Class. In looking at these pay particulular attention to 1981, the year Reagan took office.

Obviously, George H. Bush, Clinton, and Gorge W could have reversed this trend; instead, they, for the most part became keepers and harbingers of it.
working people's share of the benefits from increased productivity took a sudden turn down:
This resulted in intense concentration of wealth at the top:
And ****** working people to spend down savings to get by:


Which ****** working people to go into debt: (total household debt aspercentage of GDP)

"Conservative policies transformed the United States from the largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation in just a few years, and it has only gotten worse since then: " So avows the author who researched the subject and collected the graphs. (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts)

You can find all kinds of books and articles praising Reagan, but what I have presented are the cold, hard facts about what the man did to our economy with his Reaganomics. For those who would like to read more on this subject, go to:

Reagan Revolution Home To Roost: America Drowning In Debt
Reagan Revolution Home To Roost: America IsCrumbling
Finance, Mine, Oil & Debt Disasters: THIS Is Deregulation
 
Reaganomics killed America’s middle class

This country’s fate was sealed when our government slashed taxes on the rich back in 1980

There's nothing "normal" about having a middle class. Having a middle class is a choice that a society has to make, and it's a choice we need to make again in this generation, if we want to stop the destruction of the remnants of the last generation's middle class.

Despite what you might read in the Wall Street Journal or see on Fox News, capitalism is not an economic system that produces a middle class. In fact, if left to its own devices, capitalism tends towards vast levels of inequality and monopoly. The natural and most stable state of capitalism actually looks a lot like the Victorian England depicted in Charles Dickens' novels.

At the top there is a very small class of superrich. Below them, there is a slightly larger, but still very small, "middle" class of professionals and mercantilists - doctor, lawyers, shop-owners - who help keep things running for the superrich and supply the working poor with their needs. And at the very bottom there is the great mass of people - typically over 90 percent of the population - who make up the working poor. They have no wealth - in fact they're typically in debt most of their lives - and can barely survive on what little money they make.

So, for average working people, there is no such thing as a middle class in "normal" capitalism. Wealth accumulates at the very top among the elites, not among everyday working people. Inequality is the default option.

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You can see this trend today in America. When we had heavily regulated and taxed capitalism in the post-war era, the largest employer in America was General Motors, and they paid working people what would be, in today's dollars, about $50 an hour with benefits. Reagan began deregulating and cutting taxes on capitalism in 1981, and today, with more classical "raw capitalism," what we call "Reaganomics," or "supply side economics," our nation's largest employer is WalMart and they pay around $10 an hour.

This is how quickly capitalism reorients itself when the brakes of regulation and taxes are removed - this huge change was done in less than 35 years.

The only ways a working-class "middle class" can come about in a capitalist society are by massive social upheaval - a middle class emerged after the Black Plague in Europe in the 14th century - or by heavily taxing the rich.

French economist Thomas Piketty has talked about this at great length in his groundbreaking new book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century. He argues that the middle class that came about in Western Europe and the United States during the mid-twentieth was the direct result of a peculiar set of historical events.

According to Piketty, the post-World War II middle class was created by two major things: the destruction of European inherited wealth during the war and higher taxes on the rich, most of which were rationalized by the war. This brought wealth and income at the top down, and raised working people up into a middle class.

Piketty is right, especially about the importance of high marginal tax rates and inheritance taxes being necessary for the creation of a middle class that includes working-class people. Progressive taxation, when done correctly, pushes wages down to working people and reduces the incentives for the very rich to pillage their companies or rip off their workers. After all, why take another billion when 91 percent of it just going to be paid in taxes?

This is the main reason why, when GM was our largest employer and our working class were also in the middle class, CEOs only took home 30 times what working people did. The top tax rate for all the time America's middle class was created was between 74 and 91 percent. Until, of course, Reagan dropped it to 28 percent and working people moved from the middle class to becoming the working poor.

Other policies, like protective tariffs and strong labor laws also help build a middle class, but progressive taxation is the most important because it is the most direct way to transfer money from the rich to the working poor, and to create a disincentive to theft or monopoly by those at the top.

History shows how important high taxes on the rich are for creating a strong middle class.

If you compare a chart showing the historical top income tax rate over the course of the twentieth century with a chart of income inequality in the United States over roughly the same time period, you'll see that the period with the highest taxes on the rich - the period between the Roosevelt and Reagan administrations - was also the period with the lowest levels of economic inequality.

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You'll also notice that since marginal tax rates started to plummet during the Reagan years, income inequality has skyrocketed.

Even more striking, during those same 33 years since Reagan took office and started cutting taxes on the rich, income levels for the top 1 percent have ballooned while income levels for everyone else have stayed pretty much flat.

Coincidence? I think not.

Creating a middle class is always a choice, and by embracing Reaganomics and cutting taxes on the rich, we decided back in 1980 not to have a middle class within a generation or two. George H.W. Bush saw this, and correctly called it "Voodoo Economics." And we're still in the era of Reaganomics - as President Obama recently pointed out, Reagan was a successful revolutionary.

This, of course, is exactly what conservatives always push for. When wealth is spread more equally among all parts of society, people start to expect more from society and start demanding more rights. That leads to social instability, which is feared and hated by conservatives, even though revolutionaries and liberals like Thomas Jefferson welcome it.

And, as Kirk and Buckley predicted back in the 1950s, this is exactly what happened in the 1960s and '70s when taxes on the rich were at their highest. The Civil Rights movement, the women's movement, the consumer movement, the anti-war movement, and the environmental movement - social movements that grew out of the wealth and rising expectations of the post-World War II era's middle class - these all terrified conservatives. Which is why ever since they took power in 1980, they've made gutting working people out of the middle class their number one goal.

We now have a choice in this country. We can either continue going down the road to oligarchy, the road we've been on since the Reagan years, or we can choose to go on the road to a more pluralistic society with working class people able to make it into the middle class. We can't have both.

And if we want to go down the road to letting working people back into the middle class, it all starts with taxing the rich.

The time is long past due for us to roll back the Reagan tax cuts.
 
Emotional! You have the 5 Ds down. Your appeasement comment is nonsense. You already conceded that foreign policy position changed after 2014. So apples to oranges. How many years do you need to have to evaluate foreign policy? 1 1/2 is emotional according to you.
 
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